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[Etherlight]

@Ciribob: I understand that it can be used in addition to TS and I have done so briefly in the past, but I found that to be very counterproductive, because people start stepping on each other without being aware of it. ^^

I really get why people like SR and what you have envisioned for it, and I would never personally discourage someone from actually using it. It is just that I personally, with my attitude and expectations towards Blueflag, have not much to gain from it, other than sometimes using it for the lulz. Thing is that I would probably even use it if 90% of the people (that I like) are on it, but as long as the social environment I spoke about is still on TS? Nah. ;)

[widgey]

i would like to register 99th red balloons

 

3 active members

 

widgey, Andres and Husky

 

we fly a10 c and f15

[ApoNOOB]

I have seen this exact discussion a few years ago in the Project Reality community with PR:Mumble. Let me all spare you years of trial and error, getting a complete community on to comms, there is only one way. ^^

 

1. Integrate SR to start with DCS, further simplify installer (the worst computer guy needs to be able to install this)

2. make SR auto connect to the servers you join.

3. Make it mandatory & actively enforced by admins.

 

This ensures that everyone is on the same structure and atleast reachable. We can get feature 1&2, but without 3 you will never get the most of the community on SR.

 

I have read this exact same discussion, pro & con, years ago in the PR community. If you look over now, everyone is a PR:Mumble (their SR) believer. I bet BMS had the same process at one point with IVC.

 

People will wriggle around this issue as hard as they can, I don't like the installation, people annoy me, change sucks. etc. etc.

 

Yes people will come up with good sounding reasons not to use it. But for the community at large, and because of the the reasons that speak for SR, I think all should step back and consider if this might not be best for us all.

 

Sorry if this sounds super elitist and I really don't want to attack somebody personally or their reasons to NOT use SR. I don't want to piss you guys off, I just REALLY want you to use SR instead. <3

 

edit: Also I keep hearing the casual/brevity thing. That is pure nonsense, it's 'cluttered comms' vs 'not cluttered comms'. People don't learn the brevity calls to make them sound super smart 'just like a real pilot!11 lol you nerd'... xD

 

The reasons is more like this: I with my german barely to understand english, can make calls to my american/russian/brazillian/french etc. friends and they know what I want in a simple and brief manner. These procedures are easy to learn for everyone, because NATO designed them like that. Same with most aviation stuff lingo.

 

If you are on a public teamspeak after months of DCS MP and still are unable to make a BRA call - you are seriously failing your buddys. :)

Edited July 23, 2016 by ApoNOOB
some stuff read like I mean specific users, which I DON'T :)

[Pikey]

Some really great points being made in this thread about community, joining up and meeting others, I for one have made many new friends in Blue Flag and gone on to fly with them outside. Actually i'm surprised more people aren't using it as a recruiting ground actively, it's a perfect place to meet and see people's capabilities, i personally have found some really great new people in the past.

Blue Flag has never failed in it's primary goal. Whilst some may want to stick to TS and banter, DCS works at different levels inside of its own community, you get the blow shit up crowd, the diehard pvp'rs, the procedural nuts, and so on.

I'm personally OK with not everyone using DCS SRS, some people like going to a pub and others like watching TV. Neither group will suffer being apart, some may fancy a change down the line, it's really not in the general flavour of Blue Flag to force things, we can do that in other places, it's more important we get SRS some critical mass for inclusion with the game and people enjoy themselves without annoying each other.

[VentZer0]

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edit: Also I keep hearing the casual/brevity thing. That is pure nonsense, it's 'cluttered comms' vs 'not cluttered comms'. People don't learn the brevity calls to make them sound super smart 'just like a real pilot!11 lol you nerd'... xD

 

The reasons is more like this: I with my german barely to understand english, can make calls to my american/russian/brazillian/french etc. friends and they know what I want in a simple and brief manner. These procedures are easy to learn for everyone, because NATO designed them like that. Same with most aviation stuff lingo.

 

If you are on a public teamspeak after months of DCS MP and still are unable to make a BRA call - you are seriously failing your buddys. :)

 

^ THIS SO MUCH. THIS. How can I give an award for that post?

 

If any team wants to be effective, you better have comms down. I don't have it yet, but I see the potential and the benefit from this. That's why I use SR with my flight instead of TS. You cannot communicate effectively with your flight if you are in the same TS channel with 20 other people. Whisper groups and different channels help, but no one is ****ing doing it.

 

Everytime we tried to enforce it after BD_Tibet brought it up in round 5 it failed miserably. Not because it is flawed, because people do not care.

Basically it used to be at nighttime structured comms and during daytime a comms-blob. Because at night we had a very dedicated small group who was behind this concept and it worked.

[kobeshow]

I think an important thing to consider is that right now we are testing and everything is chillaxed and people don't give a hoot, but once the real round starts and it is about "winning", cluttered coms and ergo less coordination will be the reason operations fail and frustrate people more often than not, at least that is what I have expirienced in previous rounds.

[VentZer0]

I think an important thing to consider is that right now we are testing and everything is chillaxed and people don't give a hoot, but once the real round starts and it is about "winning", cluttered coms and ergo less coordination will be the reason operations fail and frustrate people more often than not, at least that is what I have expirienced in previous rounds.

 

Train as you fight, fight as you train.

[M460]

Simple radio is a wonderful feature to enjoy at the squadron level. At an operational level Teamspeak has more features but it finally comes down to the players adapting to changes too, that is the main issue as far as having a standard comms system.

[D4n]

Greg, what about my 4 h question on page 227 ?

[D4n]

Btw. server crash after 40 minutes just now? Are you providing the developers with the server crash log(s) to fix it? :)

[Tello]

+1

I went from noskillz to semi-bad in just 10 months! I got the best tacviews to learn from some of the best pilots I have seen in DCS

 

I think the future of TS in BlueFlag is only to make sure if there is any problems with SR server :D So it is good back up and nothing else when we get to, lets say Round 9 :thumbup:

 

What I would love is more 1vs1 dogfight competitions and the tacviews/reports that follow with them!

 

I think one of the biggest things to come out of Blue flag is the community getting closer together and friendships being formed instead of names on the chat screen. This is because of the need to be on TS working together, something only ever done on public servers in patches before. Now people learn stuff directly and improve, become more proficient etc.

 

That for me is what Blue flag has done so well, the matter of getting a hardcore only option with comms is not something for a public open to anyone server, it is more suited to a closed organised event between squadrons or groups. Bringing the community closer and getting new guys to open up and join in rather than be scared away by ghost town ts channels.

 

I'm sure BS have plans for closed events that can follow strict procedures etc. it has been done plenty times before so I don't see why not so lets not tie down open server play rather leave such stuff optional.

[OldE24]

Server updated to latest patch.

Added F-5E to blue side. As it's still in Alpha stage we will check any stability issues during our testing sessions.

 

Greg

 

So F-5 was added but why did it not replace the M-2000 as it was made for DCS to counterpart MIG? and then the M-2000 should launch from F-15 bases?

[Sierra99]

Enforcing it will be bad as you can't and don't like to enforce things in a hobby.

Greg

 

Greg my only issue with this comment is you have already made things mandatory in BLUE FLAG. There are other add ins that are forbidden because they provide an unfair advantage. Weapons not allowed to maintain a level playing field etc.

 

Mandating someone USE comms is not reasonable. Mandating those using comms use Simple radio instead of Teamspeak is not an unreasonable request. Yes this is a hobby. But it is a hobby for everyone involved.

 

Sierra

[BodyOrgan]

Greg my only issue with this comment is you have already made things mandatory in BLUE FLAG. There are other add ins that are forbidden because they provide an unfair advantage. Weapons not allowed to maintain a level playing field etc.

 

Mandating someone USE comms is not reasonable. Mandating those using comms use Simple radio instead of Teamspeak is not an unreasonable request. Yes this is a hobby. But it is a hobby for everyone involved.

 

Sierra

How exactly would they enforce this?

 

If by saying they must be connected then someone could easily connect to SR, tune to a random frequency, and use TS, or just chat instead.

 

If you try to force certain frequencies then they could tune them in, and turn the volume on all radios down.

 

Basically, if they don't want to use it then they aren't going to no matter how hard you try to force them.

[BodyOrgan]

So F-5 was added but why did it not replace the M-2000 as it was made for DCS to counterpart MIG? and then the M-2000 should launch from F-15 bases?

+1

[gregzagk]

So F-5 was added but why did it not replace the M-2000 as it was made for DCS to counterpart MIG? and then the M-2000 should launch from F-15 bases?

 

Will do. It's an easy task like 10 minutes to change them. But wanted to see how f5 performs first (possible stability issues etc).

It's only 1.5 days that it's out.

 

Currently dealing with some server crashes that presented in the last sessions.

 

Greg

[SpeedStick]

I have seen this exact discussion a few years ago in the Project Reality community with PR:Mumble. Let me all spare you years of trial and error, getting a complete community on to comms, there is only one way. ^^

 

1. Integrate SR to start with DCS, further simplify installer (the worst computer guy needs to be able to install this)

2. make SR auto connect to the servers you join.

3. Make it mandatory & actively enforced by admins.

...

... ect ect ect.

 

It really is as simple as that.

I wholeheartedly agree with your entire post.

Could not have put it better in any other way. +Rep.

Edited July 24, 2016 by SpeedStick
Clarification.

[Voodooflies]

Will do. It's an easy task like 10 minutes to change them. But wanted to see how f5 performs first (possible stability issues etc).

It's only 1.5 days that it's out.

 

Currently dealing with some server crashes that presented in the last sessions.

 

Greg

 

Could you please add some french M-2000C aswell ? :thumbup:

[Etherlight]

Greg my only issue with this comment is you have already made things mandatory in BLUE FLAG. There are other add ins that are forbidden because they provide an unfair advantage. Weapons not allowed to maintain a level playing field etc.

 

Mandating someone USE comms is not reasonable. Mandating those using comms use Simple radio instead of Teamspeak is not an unreasonable request. Yes this is a hobby. But it is a hobby for everyone involved.

 

Sierra

 

Like BodyOrgan said it is virtually impossible to enforce this, because I would simply mute the bloody thing and be done with it. Or change channels. Even if the channel selection is automatic, there would be another problem: What's with the parts of the playerbase that are not speaking English? You want Russian, English, maybe even German or French speakers talking over each other on the same frequency? Good luck with that.

 

And there is quite a difference between prohibiting something in the gameplay department in order to provide a balanced and enjoyable gameplay experience for everyone and forcing a specific mode of communication down people's throat who simply do not wish to use it. Like you said: It's a hobby for everybody involved. If you wanna use it: Fine, but that's no reason to inflict it upon the rest of use who do not. If that would be attempted I would need to boycott and circumvent that...not because I really hate SR, because I do not, but out of principle. But since Greg already said that this won't be the case, I can probably rest easy. Can we please return to enjoying the game like we used to now? To each his own and stuff? That would be highly appreciated.

[gregzagk]

Could you please add some french M-2000C aswell ? :thumbup:

 

Yes will change the skins asap.

 

For now:

- MiG-29S added to Krymsk

- F-5E replaced M2KC in captured airbases

 

*Changes will be on after mission restart.

 

 

Simple Radio IP changed to: 5.189.162.17

Please use this one during the test session. (The map shows the old ip. Will change asap)

[Enduro14]

Love this server! Us red fellas are outnumbered but it makes it more fun I think. Makes victory the more sweeter.

I was wondering if the ka50 and or Mi8 be added the ability of that fancy recon script you have going. It is a sub task of these Airframes. Thanks

 

Crom

[roccoo]

Server's been working quite well these days, this round will be great! Thank you guys, you're doing an awesome job :thumbup:

[SpeedStick]

Great work gregzagk and rest. Maybe also update the "Blue Flag Round 8 Official Frequencies - document? I know it's testing, but people might look there too (like I did).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LYS-K2EBGBZ1RjD0UGUdOkAXJBGw3mmRQZ2cSsdbJao/edit#gid=0

 

IMHO, it is baffling that people are even arguing using/enforcing SRS.

If you want to chat to buddies in TS that's fine. But mandatory monitoring of a GCI/ATC channel or whatever isn't that difficult and not to much to ask. Coms is a big part of flying (reason for multiple radios, HOTAS keys for radios ect.), in military even more so.

And it is a Sim after all. At least here on BF, a massive PVP event with multiple spokes in its wheel. It's perfect. It's one of the major parts of the sim that has been missing and I think we should thank Ciribob (and everyone on BF) for this awesome work implementing it. I'm really not trying to be d*ck about it but like ApoNOOB wrote, I've also already seen it happen in PR.

Edited July 24, 2016 by SpeedStick

[Voodooflies]

What's with the parts of the playerbase that are not speaking English? You want Russian, English, maybe even German or French speakers talking over each other on the same frequency? Good luck with that.

 

Ehm, I don't get it or I might be missing something here. Even russians do speak english nowadays... just like frenchies and all other people, it turns out it's kinda obvious when you're keen on aeronautics since it's a must. Moreover, people are free to speak in whatever language they want to inside their own flight packages with their friends, trash talk allowed if they wish. That's one other benefit that SR brings. I'm trying to find any downside of using SR but I truely can't find any as this tiny software is a part of every hardcore simmers wish/dream on the list. If you don't wanna hope in, well that's your choice, everyone has the right to choose. Now, speaking for some people around me, our expectations regarding SR usage would be people using SR accordingly on public frequencies (ATC & GCI until then), which means knowing basic ATC rules and phraseology. If you choose not using SR, then I guess you aren't concerned at all.

 

Finally, just a little reminder, even tough some people are on TS and others fully on SR, there's still the ingame chat to meet new mates. I've met really cool guys on Blue Flag just by the chat. That said, being either fully on TS or fully on SR won't completly split apart the casual players from the hardcore ones. My thoughts here, people using SR should at least know their business for the sake of immersion and better experience amongst other pilots working on it.

 

Yes will change the skins asap.

 

For now:

- MiG-29S added to Krymsk

- F-5E replaced M2KC in captured airbases

 

*Changes will be on after mission restart.

 

Thank you Greg !

Edited July 24, 2016 by Sacha

[T_A]

Greg can you add more M2000C slots in Gudauta / Sukhumi ?

there are lots of F-15C slots but only 2 M2000C slots in each , we need to encourage use of ASM type aircraft...

 

if Sochi is considered a captured base and you will remove the M2000C there then it means only 4 M2000C slots available in the whole area of Sochi/Guduata/Sukhumi the rest will need to fly from the southern (Kutisi/Kobuleti etc) bases and with the M2000C range being low as it is , its really a pain.