"Buddy Spike" - DCS World Online Events

[Coxy_99]

Make blue flag available for other servers to host. Yes out no?

 

Yes with different era's :thumbup:

[zaelu]

Make blue flag available for other servers to host. Yes or no?

 

Yes... I was thinking too if such move would benefit community. Like a SDK for hosting such campaigns.

[gregzagk]

It would be better if others host new concepts than the same as Blue Flag's.

Even if there are with different eras or slightly different.

 

Definitely better for us and for the community of course.

 

Greg

[zaelu]

Yup, but starting from a "SDK" is better than from scratch :)

[Caffeine_High]

It would be better if others host new concepts than the same as Blue Flag's.

Even if there are with different eras or slightly different.

 

Definitely better for us and for the community of course.

 

Greg

 

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[OperatorJack]

It would be better if others host new concepts than the same as Blue Flag's.

Even if there are with different eras or slightly different.

 

Definitely better for us and for the community of course.

 

Greg

 

This tbh.

DCS needs more than mindless airquake for MP

[ApoNOOB]

I think mission builders should use ideas presented by BS-team, but asking them to release a SDK (and probably support it in the future) is a bit much to ask. Think how much work they put into their project and now we ask to give it away - putting them in an awkward position to refuse.

 

Generally mission builders can learn A LOT from the buddyspike team and personally, since blueflag other MP-missions (non persistent, no progress after mission restart etc.) don't interest me much anymore. :)

 

I am watching this thread 24/7 as much as the next guy, but please refrain from being pushy and also stop the passive aggressive tone with questions like "so this is over now?" since nobody on the receiving end - EVER - appreciated such behaviour. :)

 

edit: Also if a post only consists of 'yeah', '+1!', or just 'Thanks!' chances are you could have just used the rep system or said nothing. Afterall we are all getting excited seeing the thread bumped, expecting some Blueflag news... Thanks. :)

Edited September 20, 2016 by ApoNOOB

[zaelu]

I think mission builders should use ideas presented by BS-team, but asking them to release a SDK (and probably support it in the future) is a bit much to ask. Think how much work they put into their project and now we ask to give it away - putting them in an awkward position to refuse.

 

Many ideas can be imported from old BF missions it's true but for example they are not available anywhere afaik. That is one part. Secondly The small app and web-based active map were huge pluses in BF.

 

I can understand that maybe the BF team simply wants to keep most of the things for them selves for various reasons... objectively.

 

But.

 

The fact is that DCS World MP community needs tools, powerful and simple to use tools. Sure a "talented" mission builder can do miracles but talented mission builders are very few (I'm not one of them) and the MP will stagnate if breakthroughs are "locked" away.

 

If people can remember the virtual wars in IL-2 Forgotten Battles... all of them evolved from simple tools that some people made and others improved upon after the MP community started to extensively use.

 

Imagine what a system like BF scripted mission would do if it will be implemented on all serious servers.

 

Airquake will reduce in predominance, WW2, Corea, Vietnam, Cold War, Modern scenarios will all run in parallel and develop faster.

 

I imagine an app like BF has but maybe with tabs to connect to different servers. Maybe even be integrated with Simple Radio and maybe at some point becomes the de facto launcher of DCS and be integrated officially.

 

 

I don't know... I feel like time is wasted by waiting other people to develop from scratch other BF concepts without importing as much as possible from originals.

 

my humble opinion...

[Shadow_1stVFW]

There is an old saying about not reinventing the wheel, you know...

 

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[gregzagk]

There is an old saying about not reinventing the wheel, you know...

 

Yes the wheel is already out there (Mist, Ciribob's, Xcom's scripts/ statistics etc etc). Building a new car instead of the same, using the same wheels is ok.

Everyone can do their own things.

 

Copying or slightly changing Blue Flag's concept, which is a combination of things (ways of organizing the rounds, ways of registrations, scripts, online map etc) won't help the community IMO and is not what we would like to see happening. There are many other options out there that would benefit the community instead of sticking in the same platform.

 

Finally having breaks between the events instead of running them all the time, especially for 24/7 events, can help many people keep their interest in them.

 

Greg

[Etherlight]

Finally having breaks between the events instead of running them all the time, especially for 24/7 events, can help many people keep their interest in them.

 

Greg

 

True, I'm actually quite happy that Blueflag is taking a break, considering that Storm of War is running in Cliffs of Dover and TAW is just finished in Battle of Stalingrad. ^^ Since I'm mainly a WW2-guy that is playing those Sims too, a permanent Blueflag AND all that would probably kill me sooner or later. :D If you guys need your flying fix outside of Blueflag, I simply suggest to branch out. Keeps things fresh and stuff.

[OperatorJack]

DCS really needs multiplayer servers that run engaging missions all the time.

I do agree with Greg in that 24/7 blue flag would become stale eventually but it'd be a hell of a lot better than the servers available all the time currently, which are essentially Airquake in different flavours.

[Jugdriver]

 

If people can remember the virtual wars in IL-2 Forgotten Battles... all of them evolved from simple tools that some people made and others improved upon after the MP community started to extensively use.

 

 

I see your point Zaelu, but remember there were very different campaigns during the early years of IL2 that were not based on the same system, VEF, VOW, Bellum were all very different and not based on the same format or tools. Certainly SEOW and the different campaigns that spawned from SEOW had a huge impact on IL2 MP, but if everyone had just stuck with that we would have missed out on some incredible MP action.

 

JD

AKA_MattE

[mwd2]

I hope Case Blue will come back, when the Spitfire is out :music_whistling:

[OldE24]

I hope Case Blue will come back, when the Spitfire is out :music_whistling:

 

Further it would be cool to see a MIG-15,L-39 Vs F-86,Hawk no missiles. would be cool to mix it up.

[HiJack]

Yes the wheel is already out there (Mist, Ciribob's, Xcom's scripts/ statistics etc etc). Building a new car instead of the same, using the same wheels is ok.

Everyone can do their own things.

 

Copying or slightly changing Blue Flag's concept, which is a combination of things (ways of organizing the rounds, ways of registrations, scripts, online map etc) won't help the community IMO and is not what we would like to see happening. There are many other options out there that would benefit the community instead of sticking in the same platform.

You can’t expect to keep the highly successful BlueFlag setup for yourself Greg. But the BlueFlag event creates a huge amount of side-work and discussions that I believe just a few will cope with. Creds to the BlueFlag team for keeping the spirit up regardless of forum posts. I suspect that similar setups will emerge but maybe not with the huge amount of players. As you states most of the code is out there and can be modified in any form. Setting up PHP, a MySQL server and Apache is not rocket science and the cost for a hosting partner is minimal. But setting the different parts up to work together and give correct information, often with a buggy source is a hell of o job. It will not be done by anyone who is not skilled in object and .LUA programming. But it definitely will happen and you have no legal rights on your side to claim a free service shut down as your BlueFlag service is also free for all to use. People are all here to enjoy DCS in all its colors and claiming some part or setup as “My own little castle” is futile.

[gregzagk]

You can’t expect to keep the highly successful BlueFlag setup for yourself Greg. But the BlueFlag event creates a huge amount of side-work and discussions that I believe just a few will cope with. Creds to the BlueFlag team for keeping the spirit up regardless of forum posts. I suspect that similar setups will emerge but maybe not with the huge amount of players. As you states most of the code is out there and can be modified in any form. Setting up PHP, a MySQL server and Apache is not rocket science and the cost for a hosting partner is minimal. But setting the different parts up to work together and give correct information, often with a buggy source is a hell of o job. It will not be done by anyone who is not skilled in object and .LUA programming. But it definitely will happen and you have no legal rights on your side to claim a free service shut down as your BlueFlag service is also free for all to use. People are all here to enjoy DCS in all its colors and claiming some part or setup as “My own little castle” is futile.

 

Ah no worries. Anyone can do what he wants.

Futile is to do the same things as the community has to progress and not to stick to the same concepts without imagination.

Check again what I wrote cause I think I mentioned that "it won't help the community" and that "we would not like to see that happening".

If someone feels its worth to do the same exact things he can go for it.

 

The sure thing is that I can't keep the setup for myself anymore. The last time I couldn't enter the server cause it was full :D

 

Greg

[HiJack]

The sure thing is that I can't keep the setup for myself anymore. The last time I couldn't enter the server cause it was full :D

 

Greg

I think your server will be full when you start a new round even if there are more alternatives to chose from Greg. It's not just the server setup, you have also laid down a huge job in organization that matters much. And I am sure the BlueFlag team will strike us with new ideas all the time, creative team :thumbup:

[Yaga]

Waiting for R9 makes me feel like an impatient child waiting for Christmas.

[zaelu]

I just want o add one more think about spreading the BF tech.

Time will tell if it would have been better that all people should start to wear Blue or is better that all remain dressed in GREY. If one year from now or two years from now we will have the same MP activity... I think it will be proven that half an eye is better than no eye.

 

IMHO... I don't think there is any danger to the community if BF team would publish their experience in some form other than losing the "copy rights".

 

Sure all BF team did was to use what is already available... but what would be easier for average Joe to do? Read all those resources or use some sort of concentrated manual and at the ready tools.

I know some people will bash laziness here but at some point we need to be realistic and not optimistic.

 

Everybody can reinvent a wheel... is not hard. Slip one time on a log... get angry on it and chop it in bits... see the bits rolling... call them wheels. Voila! But... is much easier and much more better for all to have someone describe the process sparing everyone from the "anger".

 

One last example. Look at how much good skins are available for planes when a good and easy to use template exists. Sure... we can strive for excellence and expect highly skilled professionals that have exceptional PC to build great skins from bad/complicated/hard to use templates but is not how it works best. As a result some planes have 4 good skins and 200 rubbish when others are the other way around. Which variant is to be wished by a dev? One that makes their module penetrate more on the market or the other that holds it?

[Britchot]

I would like to submit the following for registration to the red side, please.

 

Squadron Name: Jagdgeschwader 1 "Fritz Schmenkel"

Tag: JG-1

 

Active pilots number: 7

 

Pilot callsigns:

JG-1_Klaiber

JG-1_Lipfert

JG-1_Britchot

JG-1_Trev5150

JG-1_Vonrd

JG-1_Erhardt

JG-1_Rotermann

[D4n]

Futile is to do the same things as the community has to progress and not to stick to the same concepts without imagination.

 

This is also "futile" btw ;) :

[iLOVEwindmills]

What other direction do you see DCS MP progress towards that is not some form of persistent strategic scenario?

 

You can say you don't want people to copy it, but its pretty obvious to me that it's the best direction for DCS and it would be great to see more servers like it.

[Barao]

Questions:

1. Is BF paused?

2. People in my squadron speak portuguese, so will we have a channel to us? Only one person speak english, but not so good.

 

Thanks.

[fixen]

Questions:

1. Is BF paused?

2. People in my squadron speak portuguese, so will we have a channel to us? Only one person speak english, but not so good.

 

Thanks.

 

There are enough channels to choose from.