DCS : F4U-1 Corsair

[Tzigy]

32 minutes ago, MiGCap1 said:

I start with Deadzone 0 and Curvature 15 like in the P-47 and then I will see. Today in the evening. The P-47 is rock steady with these settings, at least for me. Do not have FF.

Same here. Coming from years of BOX, it took a little bit to get used to DCS WW2 modules but now I absolutely love the ww2 planes. Mostly fly P-47 and Dora.  Once trimmed, they r pure joy.

[chaos]

13 minutes ago, AJaromir said:

When I tried F-4U, the first words were: "Wow, it flies like on rails. Extremely stable, no oscilating, like the aircraft had no weight."

Much appreciated and it helps a lot with the porpoising but... now you're limiting maximum control deflection once you start mucking about with the -x and -y saturation (ie. you're no longer able to extract maximum roll or pitch rate).

I'm in need of a full size Force feedback stick 

[Sprool]

18 minutes ago, AJaromir said:

Maybe this is your issue. The video contains guide how to fix it:

When I tried F-4U, the first words were: "Wow, it flies like on rails. Extremely stable, no oscilating, like the aircraft had no weight."

the video gives a good explanation, i know i really push y-sat and curves trying to tame the gazelle, i'll retest it with 65 y-sat and 30 curve, see how it feels.

[ShadowFrost]

1 hour ago, Qcumber said:

That is that nature of warbirds. They are not easy to fly but much more rewarding than more modern aircraft. The flight model might be spot on. 

It's most certainly WIP with work to be done 

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

11 minutes ago, chaos said:

 

I'm in need of a full size Force feedback stick 

That's going to help you immensely with any warbird or prop driven aircraft. A lot of flying these old crates is their feel.

[Hayrake YE-ZB]

1 hour ago, chaos said:

I get what you're saying but it shouldn't be _this_ hard. There's too much porpoising. IMHO it needs a lot more damping in the pitch axis especially.

The point of any fighter, WW2 or modern, is to have a stable platform to use your weapons. If you're fighting the controls instead of the enemy you're doing something wrong. I've adjusted the axes but I can't make it behave.

When you make a throttle change large enough to change propellor rpm, there is also a corresponding pitch change due to the gyroscopic forces involved (90º offset rule). That may be part of what you are seeing, especially in the landing configuration. If you keep at it, you will learn to anticipate the yaw caused by power changes, which will also reduce the pitch changes that are giving you fits.

We all have different controllers, but for now, I’ve got heavy springs in my stick base and started with a 25 pitch curve and 30 rudder curve with lots of control authority at high speeds. It will take time to tune some of that out.

[lee1hy]

I believe that the engine sound not changing with rpm and the flying  being shaky like an Apache will be fixed soon.

There was a lot of talk about the Apache FM, but it was later fixed

All DSC EAs had a lot of talk about FM in their initial releases, but were later fixed.

[javelina1]

Started out with 2 free flights, to help with adjusting the controls.  Then went through 2 take off and landing cycles.  Managed the engine much like I did in the P-47.   Made sure to get off the max RPM a couple min into the flight.  Watched the cylinder head temps, along with the oil, etc.  Played a little bit with the cooler and cowl settings.

Really didn't have any issues with the ground handling.  Made sure to lock the tail gear on the take off roll.

For the moment, I'm using for the pitch a 30 degree curve and 5 deadzone.  Roll is 15 degrees and 5 deadzone, and Yaw is 24 degrees and 5 deadzone.  I'll fine tune them further.  I've got a 3 day weekend.  

As noted by others, I think the sound is the soft spot.  Would expect a bit more, like the P-47's R2800.  Roar!  

Overtime she'll improve. 

What was cool. I put in her in a steep dive and really picked up some speed.  I could hear the whistle!!!   

 

[Hartsblade]

2 hours ago, chaos said:

Much appreciated and it helps a lot with the porpoising but... now you're limiting maximum control deflection once you start mucking about with the -x and -y saturation (ie. you're no longer able to extract maximum roll or pitch rate).

I'm in need of a full size Force feedback stick 

Have you tried adjusting the trim prior to attempting to take off?

Personally I fly with no curves or adjustments to dead zones or saturation, and while at first it might seem more difficult it does help me with input discipline.

I have some friends that are "jet" guys and are excellent sim pilots, but they struggle with the warbirds.  Maybe you just have a preference for the way jets fly and when the warbirds don't respond the way you expect you are disappointed.  For me jets feel like they are on rails and mostly behave the same, but all of thr warbirds have some unique individual quirks and that's what makes them so challenging and more fun.

There are a bunch of "how to" videos for the various warbirds, my suggestion is to check a few out.  Forget what you know about flying jets, and give it a fresh try expecting it to be frustrating at first, but rewarding in the end.

[lee1hy]

14 minutes ago, Hartsblade said:

Have you tried adjusting the trim prior to attempting to take off?

Personally I fly with no curves or adjustments to dead zones or saturation, and while at first it might seem more difficult it does help me with input discipline.

I have some friends that are "jet" guys and are excellent sim pilots, but they struggle with the warbirds.  Maybe you just have a preference for the way jets fly and when the warbirds don't respond the way you expect you are disappointed.  For me jets feel like they are on rails and mostly behave the same, but all of thr warbirds have some unique individual quirks and that's what makes them so challenging and more fun.

There are a bunch of "how to" videos for the various warbirds, my suggestion is to check a few out.  Forget what you know about flying jets, and give it a fresh try expecting it to be frustrating at first, but rewarding in the end.

Jet  aslo trim a lot

This is not skill issue. It will fix

Edited June 19 by lee1hy

[Beirut]

Still no videos with the Bat bomb. I'm jonesing. 

[Iron_Man]

Congrats everyone on the Corsair. Got mine, no problem at takeoff or landing, including on the carrier. I honestly thought it’d be more difficult than landing F-14 lol, but it was actually easier. I agree with the posts above that the engine sound needs more refinement, and I think there should be more noticeable propeller torque and slipstream effect at takeoff, as well as a more pronounced “burble effect”, the turbulence dip behind the carrier on landing approach.

Edited June 20 by Iron_Man

[fmedges]

I can't get a good hook engagement on the Essex. I know it's a me problem, but I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.

[Hayrake YE-ZB]

26 minutes ago, fmedges said:

I can't get a good hook engagement on the Essex. I know it's a me problem, but I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.

When you know that you are clear of the stern, chop power to idle, drop nose slightly, then pull the nose back up just before you hit the deck to set the hook. Both moves are slight, a degree or two of pitch. If you’re too fast, it won’t work. 
 

Try turning at the bow and pointing the nose at the stern in a curving turn the whole way. The carrier’s movement will put you where you need to be. 

[fmedges]

17 minutes ago, Hayrake YE-ZB said:

When you know that you are clear of the stern, chop power to idle, drop nose slightly, then pull the nose back up just before you hit the deck to set the hook. Both moves are slight, a degree or two of pitch. If you’re too fast, it won’t work. 
 

Try turning at the bow and pointing the nose at the stern in a curving turn the whole way. The carrier’s movement will put you where you need to be. 

Thanks. I have no problem on any of the super carriers for some reason. I'll keep trying.

[Convoy]

8 hours ago, chaos said:

So....

I haven't been "critical" of any early access module that I've bought over the years... but it's hard to _not_ with this one. My first impressions are "somewhat underwhelming". It is early access and it needs a "bit of work". The biggest issue I have right now is the flight-model which makes or breaks it for me personally. I'm not a fan of WW2 aircraft in the sim because they all feel way too twitchy for my liking but this one takes it to a whole new level. To the point where I find it unflyable. The art work is good enough and the sounds are OK-ish. 

Again, I don't want to be too critical and I want the developer to continue developing this. I'm sure they put a lot of blood sweat and tears into it but... we're not there yet.... 

It's you. Once you have her trimmed she flies beautifully. If you follow the take off instructions she takes off nice and easy, she flies smooth once you get her trimmed up, and she lands without a bounce. 

I was surprised how easy she is to handle compared to other warbirds. 

[Doc3908]

After my seat-of-the-pants first flight off the carrier this morning, I did a second flight tonight to test out how she behaves more thoroughly. Did some basic aerobatics - loops, half-Cuban-eights, different types of rolls, KE, spins and stall turns. She's fine and recovers well and relatively quickly from all kinds of unusual attitudes. Just have to anticipate her and dance on the rudder pedals. Trim is essential at all times and in all regimes. Takeoff and landing are non-events. Did anyone else observe the engine cutting out when flying (sustained) inverted? Is this a software glitch or did the real F-4U have a carburated engine? At any rate, here's the "aerobatics" video - enjoy!

https://youtu.be/7t_DAAerbQU

[jabbabzh]

hi, for people who fly other warbird , which one is better ? this one or spit / P51 , i mean in term of feelings, graphics etc?

 

[Cunctator]

2 hours ago, Doc3908 said:

After my seat-of-the-pants first flight off the carrier this morning, I did a second flight tonight to test out how she behaves more thoroughly. Did some basic aerobatics - loops, half-Cuban-eights, different types of rolls, KE, spins and stall turns. She's fine and recovers well and relatively quickly from all kinds of unusual attitudes. Just have to anticipate her and dance on the rudder pedals. Trim is essential at all times and in all regimes. Takeoff and landing are non-events. Did anyone else observe the engine cutting out when flying (sustained) inverted? Is this a software glitch or did the real F-4U have a carburated engine? At any rate, here's the "aerobatics" video - enjoy!

https://youtu.be/7t_DAAerbQU

Yes, the F4U has a carburetor

[Hiob]

5 minutes ago, jabbabzh said:

hi, for people who fly other warbird , which one is better ? this one or spit / P51 , i mean in term of feelings, graphics etc?

 

Do you own the P-47 or Mosquito already? Those are the best Warbirds right now (from a fidelity pov). The Corsair needs some polishing still as far as I can tell right now. The Mustang, whilst flying great, shows its age in comparison.

[Qcumber]

13 minutes ago, jabbabzh said:

hi, for people who fly other warbird , which one is better ? this one or spit / P51 , i mean in term of feelings, graphics etc?

 

If you are new to warbirds try flying the free version of the P-51 first. Overall the P-51 is probably the easiest one to start with. Visuals are not the same as the newer ones though. The 109 is my favorite even though it is an older model. It's just great to fly and is very a good dogfighter. The P-47 is a really good plane. Visuals, immersion etc. I'm just not very good at anything other than basic flight. 

[Sprool]

36 minutes ago, jabbabzh said:

hi, for people who fly other warbird , which one is better ? this one or spit / P51 , i mean in term of feelings, graphics etc?

 

I love flying the Mosquito, great cockpit, great feel. Spitfire is excellent but interior graphics lookig a bit dated now (i have been spoilt by the excellent FlyingIron Spit for MSFS) but I really love flying the tiny speedy BF109, it has a very different feel. P-47 doesnt press my buttons so I never press hers.

[Iron_Man]

I’m actually surprised that dogfighting Me-109K is as hard as in P-47. Theoretically, with F-4U lower weight and the same engine, it should be decent dogfighter. Any ideas? 

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

6 hours ago, jabbabzh said:

hi, for people who fly other warbird , which one is better ? this one or spit / P51 , i mean in term of feelings, graphics etc?

 

 

I wouldn't compare this to the Spitfire or Mustang, just yet. Those are mature products. This one is barely 24 hours in our hands. I WANT to say the Corsair is, but I'm a blatant F4U fanboy. Visually? The Corsair looks superb and the Mustang's age is starting to show. Spitfire looks just fine, though.

My recommendation is to get which ever classic fighter you like the most and look beyond their involvement in WWII as well. 

The Corsair and Mustang were staples over Korea as well as a 100-hour dust up between El Salvador and Honduras, for example.

Edited June 20 by MiG21bisFishbedL

[Qcumber]

34 minutes ago, Iron_Man said:

I’m actually surprised that dogfighting Me-109K is as hard as in P-47. Theoretically, with F-4U lower weight and the same engine, it should be decent dogfighter. Any ideas? 

The 109 is much easier to dogfight than a P-47 (well for me at least). It has a good balance of speed, rate of climb and turn performance. Guns are nose mounted. The 12.7mm guns are surprisingly effective even if there are only 2, and the 30 mm canan packs a punch up close. I would like to test it against a Corsair. I'm not sure if it happened in real life though. Maybe defending the Tirpiz in Norway?