Possibility of other 109 Models as an addon?

[Solty]

Well for 1944 Fw190 A8 and A7 + Bf109G6 with all its modifications and G14 would be main.

 

But I would love to see 1942-1943 stuff too :D For all.

[MiloMorai]

You are perfectly wrong as a matter of fact. And 190A4 for 44/45? :lol: Pleaaase....

 

Fw 190A-4 0140581 TE+GC was lost 100% on 30.06.44 by Flgz. Überf.Geschw.1.

 

FW 190A-6, 530323, Dietz, Uffz., , , , Flzg.Überführ.G. 1, , , , , 30-Jun-44, Killed in crash due to engine trouble

[Krupi]

Fw 190A-4 0140581 TE+GC was lost 100% on 30.06.44 by Flgz. Überf.Geschw.1.

 

FW 190A-6, 530323, Dietz, Uffz., , , , Flzg.Überführ.G. 1, , , , , 30-Jun-44, Killed in crash due to engine trouble

 

Oh two examples so that must mean it was the backbone of the luftwaffe.... LOL

 

IIRC A8 was in fact the most produced version of the Anton for the whole war!

 

This was because many older variants could be very easily updated to latest... :smartass:

 

We definitely need a FW190-A8 and Bf-109-(G6-G14).

 

VEAO will be doing a Spit XIV and a Typhoon then all we need is the ED P-47/Me262 and the fighter side of DCS WWII 1944-45 will be done! :)

Edited January 15, 2016 by Krupi

[Krupi]

The sky's were not exactly covered with K-4s and Dora's in late 44-45. Seeing G models would be awesome. 190 A4-6 as well to make these match ups on line more historical.

 

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Most early antons were very quickly upgraded to the A8 version, so that is the more accurate for 1944-45!

[MiloMorai]

Oh two examples so that must mean it was the backbone of the luftwaffe.... LOL

 

You must have a reading comprehension problem if you got that these versions were the backbone of the Luftwaffe in 1944.:music_whistling:

[NineLine]

Topic is would you like to see more versions of the 109 in DCS, not sure where you guys are headed, but its not towards the topic.

[rel4y]

So I came to think about it and actually would like to see a G-10. It will still not fit the mid 1944 timeframe, but it would be a nice addition.

 

Flight model wise it wouldnt pose much of a problem since at the moment we basically have a G-10. A slight adjustment to weight and voila, there is a G-10. It wouldnt be an ERLA G-10 since these were significantly lighter and didnt carry all the heavy equipment. War time pilots mentioned it was the only 109 you could reliably hit above 700 km/h with, including K models (probably due to consistent production quality).

 

The visual model however would need some adjustments. Namely DF radio loop placement, radio hatch position, antenna wire (mast), wheel covers & fixed tailwheel.

 

The cockpit would also need an overhowl. The instrument panel for example, but no different instruments were used and only repositioning is needed. Now the switchboard looks somewhat different and pretty much the whole right side of cockpit.

 

I think the main expenditure here would be the cockpit. Everything else is easily done Id say. What do you guys think?

 

I linked some exterior/ cockpit pics of remaining original wartime G-10s for comparison.

 

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/MuseumExhibits/FactSheets/Display/tabid/509/Article/196264/messerschmitt-bf-109g-10.aspx

 

http://www.airspacemag.com/panoramas/messerschmitt-bf-109g-10-180947945/?no-ist

 

http://www.globetrotter-fotos.de/technik/luftfahrt/luftfahrtmuseen/planes-of-fame.html

[Vincent90]

We definitely need an Emil in DCS, together with the Spitfire Mk. I and II.

 

I'm actually quite surprised that it hasn't been announced/planned yet, considering the Battle of Britain was the only true air war in history and is very popular in pop culture. :huh:

[Talisman_VR]

Oh two examples so that must mean it was the backbone of the luftwaffe.... LOL

 

IIRC A8 was in fact the most produced version of the Anton for the whole war!

 

This was because many older variants could be very easily updated to latest... :smartass:

 

We definitely need a FW190-A8 and Bf-109-(G6-G14).

 

VEAO will be doing a Spit XIV and a Typhoon then all we need is the ED P-47/Me262 and the fighter side of DCS WWII 1944-45 will be done! :)

 

Not done without the Hawker Tempest MkV!

 

Talisman

[Brigg]

Not done without the Hawker Tempest MkV!

 

Talisman

 

Absolutely Talisman, the Tempest is about the only single seat fighter that might pull me back to the raf. But back on topic a BF109 G10 would be sweet.

Edited June 21, 2016 by Brigg

[x39crazy]

Id rather a G-14.

It came around in mid '44, and the G-10 was contemporary to the K, which we already have.

[Jaktaz]

Tbh other variants of bf-109s throughout the war would be great, but I'd mostly like to see early variants from the late 30''s, so we could do things like Spanish Civil War, against Republican I-16's (in development by OctopusG)

[Kurfürst]

Id rather a G-14.

It came around in mid '44, and the G-10 was contemporary to the K, which we already have.

 

I'd rather a G-14, too. We already have the K-4, and since I tend to lump all high alt late 109s (ie. G-5/AS, G-6/AS, G-14/AS and the G-10 G/K hybrid and the K-4) in the same category, being very similar performance wise (the K being only it faster), the only logical choice would be the G-14. It would make for wonderful RHAF/15thAAF/VVS scenarious too. W/o MW it could easily pose as a stand late G-6 too, since its essentially just a very late, medium altitude G-6.

 

It would be also hilarious to see the reaction of some more vocal members who were asking for a G-14 instead of a K-4 when they get what they asked for. :music_whistling:

[Brigg]

We definitely need an Emil in DCS, together with the Spitfire Mk. I and II.

 

I'm actually quite surprised that it hasn't been announced/planned yet, considering the Battle of Britain was the only true air war in history and is very popular in pop culture. :huh:

 

That would be freaking awesome :thumbup:

[gavagai]

Any 109 with the MG 151/20 instead of the Mk 108 would make me happy. The G-14 would be a better dogfighter than the K-4, which is kind of scary to think about, but bring it on!

[Vedexent]

Would we like to see an expansion of the 109 to include other variants? Hell yes - more planes is always good. More things to learn is good.

 

However, have we ever seen developers come back to a finished module and add more variants, systems, features, before?

 

Not saying it couldn't happen, and I'd love to see that start to happen - I just don't think it's ever happened before.

 

But yeah - more variants of any aircraft would be great.

[Ala13_ManOWar]

However, have we ever seen developers come back to a finished module and add more variants, systems, features, before?

True, but actual DCS modules number isn't so high so we can't say it could never happen, not yet IMO.

 

 

I would like to see a not so different G10, G14 definitely, but also G6. All of that thinking about close enough modules to K4 so hopefully a wide part of the work can be reused. But I don't know the inners of DCS development, I suspect devs probably don't think new variants are a minor, easy or quick task to do despite the work already done.

 

S!

[Nerd1000]

I'd rather a G-14, too. We already have the K-4, and since I tend to lump all high alt late 109s (ie. G-5/AS, G-6/AS, G-14/AS and the G-10 G/K hybrid and the K-4) in the same category, being very similar performance wise (the K being only it faster), the only logical choice would be the G-14. It would make for wonderful RHAF/15thAAF/VVS scenarious too. W/o MW it could easily pose as a stand late G-6 too, since its essentially just a very late, medium altitude G-6.

 

It would be also hilarious to see the reaction of some more vocal members who were asking for a G-14 instead of a K-4 when they get what they asked for. :music_whistling:

I wouldn't be too confident about seeing 'hilarious reactions'. At the very least there is a nice placebo effect from knowing that you are not fighting the ultimate 109, but instead his less slippery older brother. Also even a small reduction in top speed could raise the chances of allied flyers given that a certain 'flying Honda Civic' is so dependent on BnZ tactics.

 

As 109 variants go, I'd like to see a 109 F-4. From what I've read it was the most pleasant version to fly and could be included in scenarios for Western Europe, the Mediterranean, North Africa and the Russian front.

 

Naturally we'd also need some of its enemies from the same time period- LaGG-3 (yuk), Yak-1, Spitfire Mk V, early Typhoon Ib and so on. I'm not holding my breath.

[NineLine]

I am of the same mindset, a DCS version of the early 109s and Spitfires, I really want to see those in the sim at some point. E versions for the 109, and I and IIs for the Spits... sign me up please.

[Brigg]

I wouldn't be too confident about seeing 'hilarious reactions'. At the very least there is a nice placebo effect from knowing that you are not fighting the ultimate 109, but instead his less slippery older brother. Also even a small reduction in top speed could raise the chances of allied flyers given that a certain 'flying Honda Civic' is so dependent on BnZ tactics.

 

As 109 variants go, I'd like to see a 109 F-4. From what I've read it was the most pleasant version to fly and could be included in scenarios for Western Europe, the Mediterranean, North Africa and the Russian front.

 

Naturally we'd also need some of its enemies from the same time period- LaGG-3 (yuk), Yak-1, Spitfire Mk V, early Typhoon Ib and so on. I'm not holding my breath.

 

Same here Nerd1000, as much as I love the 109 as a whole that is probably my favourite variant.

[x39crazy]

I'd rather a G-14, too. We already have the K-4, and since I tend to lump all high alt late 109s (ie. G-5/AS, G-6/AS, G-14/AS and the G-10 G/K hybrid and the K-4) in the same category, being very similar performance wise (the K being only it faster), the only logical choice would be the G-14. It would make for wonderful RHAF/15thAAF/VVS scenarious too. W/o MW it could easily pose as a stand late G-6 too, since its essentially just a very late, medium altitude G-6.

 

It would be also hilarious to see the reaction of some more vocal members who were asking for a G-14 instead of a K-4 when they get what they asked for. :music_whistling:

 

Think we might get close by editing the k-4.lua with G-10/14 data? Weights/power output etc?

[NineLine]

Think we might get close by editing the k-4.lua with G-10/14 data? Weights/power output etc?

 

ED's PFM generally doesnt work like that.

[IronJockel]

True, but actual DCS modules number isn't so high so we can't say it could never happen, not yet IMO.

 

 

I would like to see a not so different G10, G14 definitely, but also G6. All of that thinking about close enough modules to K4 so hopefully a wide part of the work can be reused. But I don't know the inners of DCS development, I suspect devs probably don't think new variants are a minor, easy or quick task to do despite the work already done.

 

S!

I am pretty sure that ed has access to documentation of all g variants provided there is any. If their code for the k4 is well documented it should not be nessesarcy to start from scratch.

I think it is rather a question of time (a lot) until we see something like this.

[WinterH]

As much as I love 109 (my favorite prop warbird) and would try to buy as many released variants as possible, I have a personal dislike towards the "bulged" types like G-6 and G-14 :P. I mean, I'd even buy a Buchon before those. That's just me anyway :).

 

I personally would love to see Emils and F-4, G-2 etc. I would like seeing DCS WW II expand to 40-43 period too.

 

Edit : Emils with matching Spit and Hurri I&IIs wouldn't that be awesome ? :)

[Ala13_ManOWar]

Dreaming out loud, if Normandy map is even close to what we can suspect after Wags info request, it can definitely be used in a Battle of Britain scenario. Having Early Spits and 109s in a DCS level (I gave up on CloD time ago despite TF work) would be absolutely awesome. The counterpart being a mix of early and 1945 aircraft can be a nonsense for quite a time while more content is developed. Probably still having Spit, P-47 and Me262 awaiting, not to mention Normandy in development, ED hasn't already plan anything about where to go after those but dreaming is free.

 

S!