Persian Gulf Map Discussion

[SkateZilla]

F-18C is from later than "2000"

[Temp89]

For reference

[shahin_sky]

Hi my friends and sorry for my english

 

If I have strait of Hormuz Map can I fly and Land on some south part of IRAN ..... kish island «Khark island ..... Bandar abbas Base ..... Booshehr Base or ...... ????? As u know we had a long war on this part of my country and it would be remind memorabilia for me .

thanks

[Esac_mirmidon]

look at the bases in the map.

 

[CoBlue]

90.000 square NM are roughly 410x410 Km.

90000 nautical mile² = 309086 km² ≈ 556x556km.

 

https://converticious.com/area-square_nautical_mile-to-square_kilometer

 

This is roughly 90.000 square NM with Dubai in the center.

Your map is, ≈ 410x410km=168100km² = 48947.5nm²

Roughly 45% to small.

[Esac_mirmidon]

You are right.

 

Wrong conversion on my side. Thanks for the math. I forget the x2 thing because is square NM.

Edited November 11, 2017 by Esac_mirmidon

[Tread_Head57]

90000 nautical mile² = 309086 km² ≈ 556x556km.

 

https://converticious.com/area-square_nautical_mile-to-square_kilometer

 

 

Your map is, ≈ 410x410km=168100km² = 48947.5nm²

Roughly 45% to small.

 

Back in post #199 Wags has a screenshot of the exact areas covered by the SoH map.

[CheckGear]

Sorry if I missed it, but will the SoH map encompass all the area shown below?

 

look at the bases in the map.

 

 

If so, can we expect to see Doha and Manama as well at some point in the future?

[drPhibes]

Sorry if I missed it, but will the SoH map encompass all the area shown below?

 

 

 

If so, can we expect to see Doha and Manama as well at some point in the future?

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3289055&postcount=199

[AKULA_OPTIMUS]

If so, can we expect to see Doha and Manama as well at some point in the future?

 

Is nowhere that big, and forget about Qatar or Barein:(

Edited November 11, 2017 by AKULA_OPTIMUS
Grammar error

[CheckGear]

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3289055&postcount=199

 

Thanks. I look forward to flying AV-8Bs, F-14s, and F/A-18s from "Gonzo Station" (Gulf of Oman/North Arabian Sea)!

 

Is nowhere that big, and forget about Qatar or Barein:(

 

I'm actually relieved that the map is smaller; it works better from a gameplay/mission-design perspective. Besides, Doha and Manama don't hold a candle to Abu Dhabi or Dubai. :thumbup:

[Atooyi]

I'm actually relieved that the map is smaller; it works better from a gameplay/mission-design perspective. Besides, Doha and Manama don't hold a candle to Abu Dhabi or Dubai. :thumbup:

 

But I'm worried somehow!!!! I've seen many guys spamming aim120s in servers, I can't even imagine how terrifying would it be if we see those spamming guys flying tomcats boarding 6 Aim-54s and spamming them over a map which is mostly covered by water :noexpression::noexpression::noexpression: 5-6 of those guys in tomcats and the whole map would be a no-fly zone:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[CheckGear]

But I'm worried somehow!!!! I've seen many guys spamming aim120s in servers, I can't even imagine how terrifying would it be if we see those spamming guys flying tomcats boarding 6 Aim-54s and spamming them over a map which is mostly covered by water :noexpression::noexpression::noexpression: 5-6 of those guys in tomcats and the whole map would be a no-fly zone:lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

:megalol:

 

Well, if there's anything American air power's good for, it's a no-fly zone! :lol:

 

In all seriousness, one way to mitigate this issue is to do what they do in real life - implement strict regulations and rules of engagement.

 

For example, the F-14 rarely (as in almost never) carried more than 2 AIM-54s, due to weight issues. We can also require positive ID visually or via sensors before engagement and, in the absence of an immediate threat to oneself, have to request permission to engage. I think DCS permits such command-and-control measure to take place?

[uboats]

i think the 90,000 sq nm means the core area

[NRG-Vampire]

the map image of Wags is about 300*300 nm or 550*550 kilometers

 

Edited November 12, 2017 by NRG-Vampire

[Atooyi]

the map image of Wags is about 300*300 nm or 550*550 kilometers

 

this map lacks one of the islands, called kish island!!!!!!!!! don't know why but they hadn't worked on it as it's one of the biggest airport of Iranian territory in Persian gulf!!!! and obviously covered in this map!!!!

[ZHeN]

yep, it's there, in the top left corner, I can see it

 

 

why no airfield guys ?

[QuiGon]

:megalol:

 

Well, if there's anything American air power's good for, it's a no-fly zone! :lol:

 

In all seriousness, one way to mitigate this issue is to do what they do in real life - implement strict regulations and rules of engagement.

 

For example, the F-14 rarely (as in almost never) carried more than 2 AIM-54s, due to weight issues. We can also require positive ID visually or via sensors before engagement and, in the absence of an immediate threat to oneself, have to request permission to engage. I think DCS permits such command-and-control measure to take place?

No, DCS does not permit such measures. You can only limit the type of weapons available, not how many you can load on your bird. There are also absolutly no control measures for ROEs. So that will indeed be problematic on such a small and open map on public servers.

[Glimmer]

Waiting new Dynamic Campaign Servers with Primo Victoria style, different landing operations and naval battles, by the way China Ground Units coming soon. :)

[some1]

I'm actually relieved that the map is smaller; it works better from a gameplay/mission-design perspective. Besides, Doha and Manama don't hold a candle to Abu Dhabi or Dubai. :thumbup:

 

Ummm, what?

 

You mean that it's easier to create and play a mission where you can take off and hit your target within 5 minutes of flight. As opposed to actually spending time getting to the target like in real life.

 

You can fly a circle around this map in a Hornet without aerial refuelling, and this is an aircraft known for its short range.

[firmek]

You can fly a circle around this map in a Hornet without aerial refuelling, and this is an aircraft known for its short range.

I'm worried that in MP but not only this map will be like a knife fight in a phone booth. Another point is that the map is aimed for carier operations but with the size it'll be obvious where the carier is, which won't make perspectives for its life expectency to bright.

Don't get me wrong, the screenshots show the map looking just amazing and it'll be a day one buy for me but the relative small size is an unused potential.

[some1]

Yeah, I wonder if making a very detailed but small map is really the right approach for a modern combat sim. For an airquake arena or helicopter sandbox it probably is, but hard to make a plausible real-life scenario with that. Especially involving carriers.

[Esac_mirmidon]

The Arabic Sea is already on the map at the East.

 

You can place the 5th Fleet in a point somewhere outside the strait, for example, attacking Lar AB inside Iran from a point in the sea around 900 km. This place the Hornet outside the normal combat range of 750 km, forcing one refueling In and another out in the middle of Hormuz.

 

This mission can be easily over 160 minutes.

[some1]

Not sure where you got that 900 km, the map posted by Wags is circa 550 by 550 km, which gives about 750 km diagonal. That's within Hornet combat radius, not just from Lar but from corner to corner.

 

Second, Lar is not an AB, it's just a civilian airport without military facilities. To my knowledge, main Iranian airbases are outside the map area.

 

Of course you can still make a mission that requires aerial refuelling on that map or forcing airplanes to fly for 2 hours, but I never said that you can't. Just putting things into perspective.

Edited November 13, 2017 by some1

[Esac_mirmidon]

I mean this:

 

The DCS maps have a detailed portion, for SOH is 550x500, and a basic not detailed space. Terrain outside the detailed space is not useful because the low res and ugly looking BUT for SOH there is one thing different. THE SEA.

 

The sea has the same detail and aspect everywhere and because this map can be a Carrier Operations map you can place a fleet anywhere on the map. I dont care if is outside the detailed square, Is only sea.

 

This is de SOH editors map. You can se the Arabic Sea on the East. Place the 5th Fleet over there at some point.

 

 

Then start counting:

 

Start up, INS alignment, take off, rejoin, climb and ferry to the initial refuel point ( all outside the Iranian territorial waters ), refuelling, ferry to a point of descent before the Iranian sea border, low level apprach to Lar, attack, low level egress, climb outside the sea border, refuel, ferry back to the carrier, land.

 

 

This could be more or less 160 minutes or even more. An IMHO more than enough for any mission. Take offs, traps, two refuels, attacks, ferrys, climbs, low level ingress.

 

A 1800 km mission length is not a telephone both for me.