Oculus Rift with DCS World Discussion

[Hoirtel]

17 hours ago, ppokit said:

No. Use the Oculus PC app for that.

OTT can control SS, FOV multiplier, ASW, adaptive GPU scaling, encoder resolution, sharpness, link bitrate.

 

If your CPU/GPU combo has the power, there are big improvements in image quality to be had by adjusting the refresh rate setting & encoder resolution:

Adjust Oculus PC app rendering resolution all the way to the right (i.e. native resolution. Don't worry about the 1.x number the app shows - this is just an Oculus thing  - its not super sampling)

If using 72Hz refresh rate, the max encoder resolution (directly proportional to displayed pixels) is 3648.
If using 80Hz refresh rate or higher, the max encoder resolution (directly proportional to displayed pixels) is 4064.
To get the higher encoder resolution use the OTT Quest Link tab and type in 4064 (it doesn't appear as one of the drop down choices).

WARNING: 4064 encoder resolution WILL NOT work with 72Kz refresh rate. Switch to the higher refresh rate first before increasing the encoder resolution.
If you wish to go back to 72Hz, ensure the encoder resolution is 3648 or lower before you switch the refresh rate to 72Hz. If you don't do this, it will appear as though your Oculus app is bricked if you revert to 72Hz before you reduce the encoder resolution. Very frustrating if you didn't know all you had to do was reduce the encoder resolution...(I've been there).
 

Adjust SS, ASW, bitrate, sharpness etc as required.

  

My R5 5600X, 6800XT, 32GB DDR4 system runs my Quest 2 very fluidly in single player, YMMV in multiplayer...

 

Thanks for sharing this. When I first started with the Q2 about a year ago I used to use high encoder values with high bitrates however I have read that for the last few months it has been advisible to leave both these on default (0 in ODT) and let oculus scale it for you which it will do down to hardware. I have high end hardware and have had great results with these at default. I wondered if you have had different experience. I also read that for a very long time oculus would set the width for you based on bitrate value.

Other than this I run nearly the same settings as you, although my preference is not to super sample and only limit FOV to 0.9 in both directions. Just preference really. 

I will restest my setup with these resolutions and bitrates (I didn't know width would go that high!) And see if I get anything different now I have been running on default for months. 

 

[Dermax1]

I'm now the proud owner of an Oculus Quest 2. There's a ton of resources - this thread included - but the tech seems to be moving so fast that a lot of what was posted is pretty out of date. I don't know if linking YouTube videos is allowed, so I'll just say that I'm using the six month old settings from Tactical Pascale as my baseline. Even that video is out of date it seems, since OTT has options - like sharpening - that weren't present there. This leaves me just fiddling switches basically as one site says one thing and a second site another; DCS is the sole reason I bought the headset - so I figured I'd come to the source.

I don't expect anyone to do the setup for me, but if there are current DCS tips and settings that could be recommended to a complete VR newbie, I'd sure appreciate it. I know that "curbing your expectations" is a quote that comes up a lot, but right now it seems like having to pick the lesser of two evils. I can either get the game looking good, in which case I start to feel sick from the framerate or get the frame rate good, in which case I start to feel sick from how blurry the MFDs are. Thankfully I know the A10C well enough to fly from memory, but new modules like the F/A-18 or F-16C make me feel like Mr. Magoo.

I have an RTX 3080, 32 GB of RAM, Ryzen 5 3600, DCS is on an M2 SSD, and am running on the Oculus Link cable. 2D I just set everything to Ultra and call it good. I don't expect that from a headset, but it's hard "getting my VR legs" when I can't tell if I'm getting motion sick from the game, the frames, or the blurry displays. 

I'll try the one posted by ppokit on Saturday when I get home today. 

[unlikely_spider]

9 minutes ago, Dermax1 said:

I'm now the proud owner of an Oculus Quest 2. There's a ton of resources - this thread included - but the tech seems to be moving so fast that a lot of what was posted is pretty out of date. I don't know if linking YouTube videos is allowed, so I'll just say that I'm using the six month old settings from Tactical Pascale as my baseline. Even that video is out of date it seems, since OTT has options - like sharpening - that weren't present there. This leaves me just fiddling switches basically as one site says one thing and a second site another; DCS is the sole reason I bought the headset - so I figured I'd come to the source.

I don't expect anyone to do the setup for me, but if there are current DCS tips and settings that could be recommended to a complete VR newbie, I'd sure appreciate it. I know that "curbing your expectations" is a quote that comes up a lot, but right now it seems like having to pick the lesser of two evils. I can either get the game looking good, in which case I start to feel sick from the framerate or get the frame rate good, in which case I start to feel sick from how blurry the MFDs are. Thankfully I know the A10C well enough to fly from memory, but new modules like the F/A-18 or F-16C make me feel like Mr. Magoo.

I have an RTX 3080, 32 GB of RAM, Ryzen 5 3600, DCS is on an M2 SSD, and am running on the Oculus Link cable. 2D I just set everything to Ultra and call it good. I don't expect that from a headset, but it's hard "getting my VR legs" when I can't tell if I'm getting motion sick from the game, the frames, or the blurry displays. 

I'll try the one posted by ppokit on Saturday when I get home today. 

Mine isn't Oculus, but some settings that have a big impact on stuttering on my PC which is very similar to yours are shadows, AA, SSAO, and the resolution of cockpit displays. Try turning those down or off to see if they impact your experience.

[ppokit]

Yes on my system the bigger eater of frames (esp. in multiplayer) is MSAA.

Looks great with it on, but can turn into a messy slideshow. 

Currently training myself to not use MSAA and instead to use OTT supersampling to compensate. Looks ok in the air, but on the ramp waiting for fuel or taxying it looks awful. 

Jaggies & shimmers...yuck

Edited December 7, 2021 by ppokit

[kybinec]

Hello everyone. Please tell me how you can roll back from version 35 to version 33 OculusClient

 

[Hoirtel]

1 minute ago, kybinec said:

Hello everyone. Please tell me how you can roll back from version 35 to version 33 OculusClient

 

Oculus don't permit roll backs unfortunately. I remember trying once before. If you have opted into the beta you can opt out and it will revert but that's it. Whats wrong with v35? I assume you mean desktop app.

[kybinec]

Thanks for the answer. There are no particular problems with version 35. I wanted to compare the work of DCS in different versions of OculusClient

 

 

[Hoirtel]

14 minutes ago, kybinec said:

Thanks for the answer. There are no particular problems with version 35. I wanted to compare the work of DCS in different versions of OculusClient

 

 

Oh ok thanks. Always nice to have a heads up if there are problems as I got caught out and couldn't revert once before. To be fair they are usually quite good and I don't think I've ever notice any negative performance changes on DCS. 

[Lange_666]

Oculus updates are mandatory and if they break something, you need to wait until it gets solved because there is no rollback to a previous version.
However, you can block the update: https://forums.oculusvr.com/t5/General/Please-Stop-Forced-Updates/td-p/619257/page/2

(it's halfway through the second page, post by "parsecn".

After doing this, when Oculus comes with an update, you'll get a notification that an update started downloading but it will never get passed that.
This gives you time to go through the (messy) forums and see if they are big or common problems. If so, you can block the update until it gets fixed.
To unblock the updates, reverse the above process.

[ollk22]

Hey folks, does anyone have any idea what is going on here? Had problems with Vaicom and decided to reset and clean up DCS.

At that point I got this. All drivers were already up to date, VR works fine as usual through Oculus software. The only thing I have not tried is a fresh install, which atm is very tempting!

Oh tried repairing oculus software too.

[draconus]

I'd try with clean profile first meaning rename your /saved games/dcs/ folder and try.

Have you set anything other out of default like in nvcpl or oculus tool?

[ollk22]

12 minutes ago, draconus said:

I'd try with clean profile first meaning rename your /saved games/dcs/ folder and try.

Have you set anything other out of default like in nvcpl or oculus tool?

Good thinking that... Will give it a go. There is no oculus tool so to speak, not sure what nvcpl is?

 

[ollk22]

22 minutes ago, draconus said:

I'd try with clean profile first meaning rename your /saved games/dcs/ folder and try.

Have you set anything other out of default like in nvcpl or oculus tool?

Yep, seems to have sorted that thank you. I made the mistake in thinking things couldn't go wrong graphics-wise here... How wrong I was!

[draconus]

8 minutes ago, ollk22 said:

Good thinking that... Will give it a go. There is no oculus tool so to speak, not sure what nvcpl is?

Sorry for the geek talk. Nvidia control panel I meant. And some use Oculus tray tool or debug tool.

Great to see you fixed it

[Wychmaster]

I have some questions:

A friend of mine recently got an Occulus Quest 2 to play DCS. I myself use a Valve Index. A few days ago I found the enhancement tools by fholger (upsampling + reshade) here in the forum and it made such a huge difference (performance + visual) for me that we tried it on my friends system yesterday. However, to work properly, steamvr is requiered. But dcs turns into a jittering nightmare when he is using steamvr (even without the mentioned mods). Interestingly, the frame rate is solid. From what we found out in the internet this has nothing to do with DCS and we will try some suggested fixes later. I also know that fholger has at least an upsampling tool that also works for occulus. But that helps mostly with performance.

So my questions are:

1. Did some of you experienced the same jitter problems when running DCS via SteamVR? If yes, how did you get it fixed other than not using SteamVR?

2. Are there any other DCS enhancement tools that are popular in the Occulus community so that he might get similar visual quality enhancements?

[Fiztex]

12 минут назад, Wychmaster сказал:

I have some questions:

A friend of mine recently got an Occulus Quest 2 to play DCS. I myself use a Valve Index. A few days ago I found the enhancement tools by fholger (upsampling + reshade) here in the forum and it made such a huge difference (performance + visual) for me that we tried it on my friends system yesterday. However, to work properly, steamvr is requiered. But dcs turns into a jittering nightmare when he is using steamvr (even without the mentioned mods). Interestingly, the frame rate is solid. From what we found out in the internet this has nothing to do with DCS and we will try some suggested fixes later. I also know that fholger has at least an upsampling tool that also works for occulus. But that helps mostly with performance.

So my questions are:

1. Did some of you experienced the same jitter problems when running DCS via SteamVR? If yes, how did you get it fixed other than not using SteamVR?

2. Are there any other DCS enhancement tools that are popular in the Occulus community so that he might get similar visual quality enhancements?

Use fhogler's Vrperfkit for Oculus, it doesn't need SteamVR. If you need color correction then use 3dmigoto, on top of that it has separate sharpening options for the world/MFDs/cockpit as well as some other useful fixes. Honestly sharpening there is not bad, you may not need vrperfkit after all.

But the best trick is to run 2.5.6 with original Kegetys' VRshaders and Mustang's flat shadow fix. It will literally give you twice better performance than the best tweak combo available for 2.7.10. I fly 2.5.6 most of the time, only if I need a Viper I go for 2.7.10, clouds and effects improvement can't justify such a severe performance hit for me.

[Wychmaster]

vor 15 Minuten schrieb Fiztex:

Use fhogler's Vrperfkit for Oculus, it doesn't need SteamVR. If you need color correction then use 3dmigoto, on top of that it has separate sharpening options for the world/MFDs/cockpit as well as some other useful fixes. Honestly sharpening there is not bad, you may not need vrperfkit after all.

But the best trick is to run 2.5.6 with original Kegetys' VRshaders and Mustang's flat shadow fix. It will literally give you twice better performance than the best tweak combo available for 2.7.10. I fly 2.5.6 most of the time, only if I need a Viper I go for 2.7.10, clouds and effects improvement can't justify such a severe performance hit for me.

Vperfkit was the other tool I meant. We will try that. Going back to previous DCS versions isn't an option but I will have a look into 3dmigoto.

[GuardDog]

Purchased a Oculus Quest 2 for DCS, and now it is messed up. My Oculus Quest 2 graphics now stretch (black bars), flicker up/down/left to right. Damaged right after DCS connecting. Looked like I had it, then it crashed to desktop. Many times I have reset the Oculus Quest 2 to default, turned off, and on. And no prevail. Does the same. Before the damage, I have looked at videos how to set up DCS, Oculus. Downloaded oculus software, and oculus tray tool, and followed some advice from Youtube videos. No two is the same. Everyone has different ways of setting up Oculus to the PC for DCS. Come in here, and not a perfect setup either. One states do this, and other stats do that. Confusing, that EVGA 1080ti ftw3 is, VR ready (most video cards), but you have to plug in USB-C able to motherboard. Download oculus software, but no drivers. So in all, I found out their is no perfect setup from youtube videos, and forums. Like from opening box, to what cables, what software you need and how. Some say Airlink does the job and really did not. Reason most get Oculus is due to price. Spending over $500+ is a bit extreme. Bad enough the costs for a video card and then a VR headset. I (and prob others) do not have $500, but I did have $320 on a VR headset, and now burnt it trying to connecting DSC (PC), using Oculus Tray tool software to the VR headset. Dunno what to say, or look for anymore. Just lost $$ for a sim.

[Hoirtel]

29 minutes ago, GuardDog said:

Purchased a Oculus Quest 2 for DCS, and now it is messed up. My Oculus Quest 2 graphics now stretch (black bars), flicker up/down/left to right. Damaged right after DCS connecting. Looked like I had it, then it crashed to desktop. Many times I have reset the Oculus Quest 2 to default, turned off, and on. And no prevail. Does the same. Before the damage, I have looked at videos how to set up DCS, Oculus. Downloaded oculus software, and oculus tray tool, and followed some advice from Youtube videos. No two is the same. Everyone has different ways of setting up Oculus to the PC for DCS. Come in here, and not a perfect setup either. One states do this, and other stats do that. Confusing, that EVGA 1080ti ftw3 is, VR ready (most video cards), but you have to plug in USB-C able to motherboard. Download oculus software, but no drivers. So in all, I found out their is no perfect setup from youtube videos, and forums. Like from opening box, to what cables, what software you need and how. Some say Airlink does the job and really did not. Reason most get Oculus is due to price. Spending over $500+ is a bit extreme. Bad enough the costs for a video card and then a VR headset. I (and prob others) do not have $500, but I did have $320 on a VR headset, and now burnt it trying to connecting DSC (PC), using Oculus Tray tool software to the VR headset. Dunno what to say, or look for anymore. Just lost $$ for a sim.

I think all you can do is follow a logic fault finding process. Try to isolate as many different parts as you can and check they all work seperately before trying things together. To establish a working baseline, reset all settings to default everywhere. That will be fine to check it actually runs then you can go through vids and guides to adjust settings. Basics first, tune later. As there are so many hardware combinations it's unlikely you will find some to copy exactly. Airlink success for example is dependent on your router specs and how/where you have your home network set up. I'm sure you will get everything working! 

[GuardDog]

Was able to fix Oculus Airlink, specially after sending a report to Oculus (or "Meta" that is now the name of the company. Expect logo change in a update) due to the issue. Uninstalled Oculus Tray tool (please do not use), and used "Oculus debug tool" that is in the oculus software folder. Was able to reset all to its defaults and fixed. All I can do now is just wait for a better 3.0 (or 3.2) type-C cable. The one that comes with Oculus is a 2.0 (something like that), type-C and only 3 feet long. Made for charging the VR headset and not PC connection. When I get this fixed, done I will do step by step from scratch video. Oculus doesn't have windows drivers. Just shows on taskbar "MTP", click to eject. Helps on problems. But Oculus is a device on it's own, and truly amazing. New to this world. But to PC sim, not so easy.  

[Hoirtel]

25 minutes ago, GuardDog said:

Was able to fix Oculus Airlink, specially after sending a report to Oculus (or "Meta" that is now the name of the company. Expect logo change in a update) due to the issue. Uninstalled Oculus Tray tool (please do not use), and used "Oculus debug tool" that is in the oculus software folder. Was able to reset all to its defaults and fixed. All I can do now is just wait for a better 3.0 (or 3.2) type-C cable. The one that comes with Oculus is a 2.0 (something like that), type-C and only 3 feet long. Made for charging the VR headset and not PC connection. When I get this fixed, done I will do step by step from scratch video. Oculus doesn't have windows drivers. Just shows on taskbar "MTP", click to eject. Helps on problems. But Oculus is a device on it's own, and truly amazing. New to this world. But to PC sim, not so easy.  

Sounds like the troubleshooting is working. Don't think you need to worry about the drivers. Oculus/meta have that all locked down via the software, as with most devices these days. I find it pretty to robust. 

[TZeer]

Heads up. ASW is crap on AMD cards.

For some reason I get more artifacts with my new AMD card than my old nvidia card. For me, ASW is useless on AMD.

[GuardDog]

6 hours ago, TZeer said:

Heads up. ASW is crap on AMD cards.

For some reason I get more artifacts with my new AMD card than my old nvidia card. For me, ASW is useless on AMD.

Guess AMD is not VR ready. Although Nvidia has VR Ready in the Specs. I find it confusing, when you do not plug the VR to the video card. Uses a Type-C cable, and plug into Motherboard. Has to be 3.0 etc. Do not know how that works from Type-C to motherboard and the video card states VR ready. Not VR friendly though. 

*Note*

Told to watch out, be careful when buying a Link Cable. Lots of knock offs. Copy cats using Oculus logo. The best is Kiwi. Although they can be expensive, but it pays off. 

Edited February 14, 2022 by GuardDog

[GuardDog]

Finally got my 3.2 USB cable. Just a cheap $40 for now. Hooked it up, and I did have to play around. Only have to turn on "Unknown Source" in generals tab. You have to load it from your desktop and not from the oculus. And it will take it from there. Did a little flight, and WOW! I never encountered a simulator so kewl. It feels like I am actually in the aircraft. Will have to play with graphic setting in DCS later, also adjust the Hotas. Oh man, I can not express enough of the immersion. Good Job DCS!

[Svsmokey]

I never get tired of reading these

4 minutes ago, GuardDog said:

Finally got my 3.2 USB cable. Just a cheap $40 for now. Hooked it up, and I did have to play around. Only have to turn on "Unknown Source" in generals tab. You have to load it from your desktop and not from the oculus. And it will take it from there. Did a little flight, and WOW! I never encountered a simulator so kewl. It feels like I am actually in the aircraft. Will have to play with graphic setting in DCS later, also adjust the Hotas. Oh man, I can not express enough of the immersion. Good Job DCS!

 

Edited March 3, 2022 by Svsmokey