Introducing the VPC MongoosT-50

Barefoot Bandit · April 20, 2018

I love the thumb pushbutton: being a rotor head, that pushbutton is the perfect trimmer. Sometimes I hold it for minutes and I don't even realize it :)
I understand that for fixed wings an additional 4-way switch sounds better though.

I have attached a couple of configs. Neither of them is actually updated 'cause I got rid of the TPM for a Saitek Quadrant. The Harrier is the oldest, I didn't even bother to config my Arduino stuff for it (I'm waiting for new updates, Radios especially). I think I'll maintain the T-50 config though.
Note: The "Radio PTT" is for UniversRadio / Simple Radio.

I can't wait for the release of Virpil's throttle, obv I've already pre-ordered it :)

EDIT: that's one of my Arduino stuff, "embedded" into Virpil's Desk Mount. The post is quite old, I've finished it now and added 4 rotary encoders: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3415748#post3415748

That is such a cool idea, that I'm wouldn't be surprised if VPC end up producing something like that...

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sze5003 · April 20, 2018

I love the thumb pushbutton: being a rotor head, that pushbutton is the perfect trimmer. Sometimes I hold it for minutes and I don't even realize it :)
I understand that for fixed wings an additional 4-way switch sounds better though.

I have attached a couple of configs. Neither of them is actually updated 'cause I got rid of the TPM for a Saitek Quadrant. The Harrier is the oldest, I didn't even bother to config my Arduino stuff for it (I'm waiting for new updates, Radios especially). I think I'll maintain the T-50 config though.
Note: The "Radio PTT" is for UniversRadio / Simple Radio.

I can't wait for the release of Virpil's throttle, obv I've already pre-ordered it :)

EDIT: that's one of my Arduino stuff, "embedded" into Virpil's Desk Mount. The post is quite old, I've finished it now and added 4 rotary encoders: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3415748#post3415748

Awesome, thanks for these. I'll be using the warthog throttle with the T-50 stick.

I have the ka-50 too but never flew it. Glad to see you have a decent setup mapped for the harrier. I need to get back into that thing sometime.

Karon · April 20, 2018

That is such a cool idea, that I'm wouldn't be surprised if VPC end up producing something like that...

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..and actually it's very easy to make! I keep forgetting to open a dedicated thread about it. I promise I'll do it sooner or later (I should copyright it :D ).

That's how my "workplace" looks like now (encoders caps are missing in this pic though - sorry for the awful quality):

Awesome, thanks for these. I'll be using the warthog throttle with the T-50 stick.

I have the ka-50 too but never flew it. Glad to see you have a decent setup mapped for the harrier. I need to get back into that thing sometime.

Happy to help :)

There are actually two more reasons why the Harrier profile it's not updated:

1- I've joined a vSquadron (132nd), we use UniversRadio and I'm waiting for radios to be properly implemented in the AV-8B before setting up the controls;

2- I've ordered Virpil's throttle, it's very different from the TWCS: for instance it has a 4-way + push hat so I don't have to split the TDC over two different controls.

sze5003 · April 20, 2018

..and actually it's very easy to make! I keep forgetting to open a dedicated thread about it. I promise I'll do it sooner or later (I should copyright it :D ).

That's how my "workplace" looks like now (encoders caps are missing in this pic though - sorry for the awful quality):

Happy to help :)
There are actually two more reasons why the Harrier profile it's not updated:
1- I've joined a vSquadron (132nd), we use UniversRadio and I'm waiting for radios to be properly implemented in the AV-8B before setting up the controls;
2- I've ordered Virpil's throttle, it's very different from the TWCS: for instance it has a 4-way + push hat so I don't have to split the TDC over two different controls.

Yea all I needed was an idea of how people are mapping things. Since the harrier systems are still being worked on most of what I have mapped on my warthog stick will probably need to change by the time I fly it again. Hopefully by the time I get my T-50 it will have most of the radios and other things done.

Barefoot Bandit · April 21, 2018

That is awesome. I think I'll be doing something like that myself, it's a great idea! If you do post your work logs, that would be even more awesome!

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..and actually it's very easy to make! I keep forgetting to open a dedicated thread about it. I promise I'll do it sooner or later (I should copyright it :D ).

That's how my "workplace" looks like now (encoders caps are missing in this pic though - sorry for the awful quality):

Happy to help :)
There are actually two more reasons why the Harrier profile it's not updated:
1- I've joined a vSquadron (132nd), we use UniversRadio and I'm waiting for radios to be properly implemented in the AV-8B before setting up the controls;
2- I've ordered Virpil's throttle, it's very different from the TWCS: for instance it has a 4-way + push hat so I don't have to split the TDC over two different controls.

TAW_Blaze · April 21, 2018

I just received the stick. Does anyone know which cam/spring is installed by default after shipping?

Gizzy · April 21, 2018

I believe it is soft centre cam and medium spring... give it a good rattle before changing.... for me after trying the others I came back to default even with 2 extensions :) Enjoy..

Karon · April 21, 2018

I might have found a flaw in the design of the ball bearings area, or maybe it's just my cams. Next time I open the base I'll take a pic.

This actually happened a few months ago but I forgot to post about it :doh:

I haven't noticed it before because I fly the Ka-50 or other rotary-wings most of the times, so movements are smooth and fairly slow. I have reinstalled Il2 and the stress on the stick is much pronounced. What happen is: during hard or fast turns, the stick behaves as if it was on a sheet of sand paper: vibrations, rough movement and weird noises.

I have opened the base and did some tests. I have fixed it by adding a washer (see the edited pic attached, the red line is where I've placed the washer). What I think happens is that the cam is not perfectly squared (I mean the ∠ between its flat and vertical surfaces is not exacly 90 deg) or that the ball bearing is somehow loose. This means that, when I pull hard (NOTE: I use soft springs and I keep them very, very loose so the force applied to mechanic is quite small) the ball bearing is subject of some sort of torque force perpendicular to the mast and thus it's unable to provide a smooth transition.

By adding an additional big washer adiacent to the ball bearing I basically keep it in place so it doens't twist anymore and it's much much much better.

I'm not really sure what I wrote is understandable, I'll take some pics next time I open my base.

EDIT> also, finally opened the thread about Arduino stuff for Virpil Desk Mount: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=206778

Edited April 21, 2018 by Karon

sze5003 · April 21, 2018

I might have found a flaw in the design of the ball bearings area, or maybe it's just my cams. Next time I open the base I'll take a pic.
This actually happened a few months ago but I forgot to post about it :doh:

I haven't noticed it before because I fly the Ka-50 or other rotary-wings most of the times, so movements are smooth and fairly slow. I have reinstalled Il2 and the stress on the stick is much pronounced. What happen is: during hard or fast turns, the stick behaves as if it was on a sheet of sand paper: vibrations, rough movement and weird noises.

I have opened the base and did some tests. I have fixed it by adding a washer (see the edited pic attached, the red line is where I've placed the washer). What I think happens is that the cam is not perfectly squared (I mean the ∠ between its flat and vertical surfaces is not exacly 90 deg) or that the ball bearing is somehow loose. This means that, when I pull hard (NOTE: I use soft springs and I keep them very, very loose so the force applied to mechanic is quite small) the ball bearing is subject of some sort of torque force perpendicular to the mast and thus it's unable to provide a smooth transition.
By adding an additional big washer adiacent to the ball bearing I basically keep it in place so it doens't twist anymore and it's much much much better.

I'm not really sure what I wrote is understandable, I'll take some pics next time I open my base.

EDIT> also, finally opened the thread about Arduino stuff for Virpil Desk Mount: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=206778

Have you contacted virpil about this? I wonder what the solution would be that they offer. If the washer solves your issue maybe that has been rectified in other units? I'm curious how my warBRD base will turn out.

TAW_Blaze · April 21, 2018

I believe it is soft centre cam and medium spring... give it a good rattle before changing.... for me after trying the others I came back to default even with 2 extensions :) Enjoy..

I've been flying with it since yesterday. I added 20 curve in both axes and it feels pretty good. I actually thought I'd want to have the soft centre and the medium so I guess I'll stick with it. Thanks. If I evel feel like messing around I might try the others, but not for now.

Weedwacker · April 21, 2018

I've been flying with it since yesterday. I added 20 curve in both axes and it feels pretty good. I actually thought I'd want to have the soft centre and the medium so I guess I'll stick with it. Thanks. If I evel feel like messing around I might try the others' date=' but not for now.[/quote']

I added a slight deadzone, otherwise it picks up all those tiny movements on the center. .5 deadzone and a 10 curve i think, maybe a 5 curve for roll and 10 for pitch

Barefoot Bandit · April 22, 2018

Have you contacted virpil about this? I wonder what the solution would be that they offer. If the washer solves your issue maybe that has been rectified in other units? I'm curious how my warBRD base will turn out.

The WarBRD is a very different style of gimbal, I don't think it's as susceptible to these small machining errors.

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Karon · April 22, 2018

Considering that this problem has totally disappeared and my base is one of the first batch (fear the old treadlock!), I'm not entirely sure I want to venture into a cam swap.

Since I fly rotary only, I wonder if the new cams make the T-50 even more neat.

Barefoot Bandit · April 22, 2018

Considering that this problem has totally disappeared and my base is one of the first batch (fear the old treadlock!), I'm not entirely sure I want to venture into a cam swap.

Since I fly rotary only, I wonder if the new cams make the T-50 even more neat.

I've got one of the first T50's, I had absolutely no issues with the came screws. I do wonder if it's more a case of the odd unit being out of spec on the first run?

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Karon · April 22, 2018

No idea.

Any way, considering I realised the issues after more than 6 months, is something really not noticeble unless in some situations. I wonder if the T-50 is not making me too "picky": my old CH Fighterstick had a deadzone of 2-3mm due to tear&wear and I've never bother to change its pots :D

I might drop an email to Mr Cypher, so he's aware of the issue in case it something else and gets worse later.

Looney · April 23, 2018

What would users recommend for springs/cams/shafts for controlling a helicopter?

I'd like to have no center and the stick to remain where it is when I let go.

Santus · April 23, 2018

Any chance this grip will get a twist axis like the constellation one.

Or even better add the twist axis on the new warBRD base so that a twist axis is available with any of your current of future grips.

There are a lot of us who do not enjoy using rudder pedals.

Gman109 · April 23, 2018

[quoteWhat would users recommend for springs/cams/shafts for controlling a helicopter?

I'd like to have no center and the stick to remain where it is when I let go.

I'm not really sure if that's possible, having a stick stay where you last place it other than center, for any stick. Maybe I'm wrong.

However to answer your other question, IMO by FAR the lightest spring set is the best option for helos so far as constantly having the stick in a place other than center, and the "new" "space" cam, which has very non progressive lines (doesn't get harder as you move away from center), which also has a "no bump" center designed into it. There are pics on the Virpil site of the new cam, I've just seen them recently but can't remember where.

That'd be what I'd do, new cam and softest spring. I'm using the stock cam and softest spring, and it's perfect for jet/prop and works really well for helo for me as well.

Karon · April 23, 2018

What would users recommend for springs/cams/shafts for controlling a helicopter?

I'd like to have no center and the stick to remain where it is when I let go.

Hey mate.

The T-50 can't stay where you leave it, the VKB has something similar AFAIK.

My T50 has soft springs and default cams. Also, the springs are as loose as possible so moving and holding it in place takes literally no effort.

I was thinking about the new Cosmo cams but I play different games as well..

Looney · April 24, 2018

Adding a few dampers to keep it in place shouldn't be a large mod. Anyway, I'll need to order one first before doing any work haha. Thanks all!

Barefoot Bandit · April 24, 2018

The gunfighter has a clutch mechanism that does allow it to stay in place.

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Amarok · April 26, 2018

► Opening of the VIRPIL Controls EU Webstore and Pre-Orders

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www.virpil.by will initially continue to serve our customers worldwide, however from April 30th it will be changed to serving EurAsEC only.

In addition to the opening of the new EU webstore - on April 16, 2018 pre-orders for the long awaited VPC devices will open as scheduled:

VPC MongoosT-50 Throttle

VPC Constellation Delta Grip

VPC WarBRD Base

These products can be pre-ordered with a discount of 10%. All existing VPC MongoosT-50 owners (grip, base or flightstick) will receive an additional 5% discount code for a total discount of 15%. Of course, as always, lucky members of the VPC FC will receive an additional 5% on top as well for a total potential discount of 20%!

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To celebrate the launch of our new stores and pre-orders, all VPC products will be 10% off for the next 7 days!

Finally - we would like to present more photos of the VPC MongoosT-50 Throttle, displaying the new knurled throttle lever grips!

Thank you for your continued support,
VIRPIL Controls Team

Moin VIRPIL Controls Team,

I have a question: Why were the throttle handles knurled?

Before, the throttle handles looked much more ralistic and high quality!

Something I have seen so far with barbell rods but never with throttle handles, neither in aircraft of the 1940s or newer.

I was very interested in this VPC MongoosT-50 Throttle, but I guess I will not buy it at over 300 EUR with these knurled throttle handles.

Or maybe there will be both variants of the throttle lever handles for the VPC MongoosT-50 Throttle?

I would be glad about an information.

Thank you in advance.

Lobinjaevel · April 26, 2018

Su 27 has knurled handles, Su 57 has it too, which the throttle is inspired from, I'm sure more russian aircrafts has it too.

I think it looks more special than all the other smooth handle throttles, and it's not a replica.

Keep it knurled :thumbup:

Sokol1_br · April 26, 2018

Something I have seen so far with barbell rods but never with throttle handles, neither in aircraft of the 1940s or newer.

http://www.aviaavtomatika.com/image/production/work.018.1b.jpg?op47r9

http://www.aviaavtomatika.com/production/018/

mdee · April 26, 2018

That knurl looks like a cheap sticker. Is it possible to remove it? I have the throttle pre-ordered, but this is first time I see this version with knurl - sorry, not a fan of it

Edited April 26, 2018 by mdee

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