New features neede for F-5E-3

[captflyby]

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Edited February 24, 2018 by captflyby

[KorovaMB]

OP.. You are right that you are entitled to your opinion, but you started a thread to discuss your opinion. Don't be surprised or mad that others are discussing it by expressing their opinions that they prefer/enjoy the realism of the F-5E as it is implemented.

 

From everything you've stated in this thread, it sounds to me like you should have a conversation with your squadron. It sounds like they are playing on servers with modern aircraft that will always leave you at a disadvantage. The best solution I can see is that you guys spend time playing on a server dedicated to the era, specifically a Mig-21 vs. F-5 server.

[Schmidtfire]

If you are trying to fight Flankers, Eagles, Mirage2000C etc... Yes, it's gonna suck.

If you are trying to attack any AI vehicles "down in the weeds" that have DCS-aim and a machinegun, yes you're gonna get shred to pieces and the air data computer will be malfunctioning.

 

But in a "fair fight" against Mig21bis and other 3rd gen fighters, it's actually pretty good.

 

Some general tips:

 

Don't forget to change your flap settings! F-5 on auto flaps is begging for trouple during combat.

 

Keep your speed up and don't turn to hard.

 

Use your fast roll-rate to your advantage.

 

Use AWACS or GCI of avalible.

 

The radar is very basic but can be helpful with a little bit of practice.

 

Equip all-aspect Aim-9P5 for engagements against mor modern fighters.

 

It is a very fun and well simulated module, just don't expect a 4th gen frontline fighter...

[RED]

This thread is gold !

 

Agreed :photo:

 

OP is scraping past 1.2 and 1.14? and his statements of his personal life are very questionable.

 

I love the F5 how it is. It needs no "upgrades" - it is a little very capable aircraft.

 

Here you can see it without any changes "today" in its role it was designed for:

 

OP wants its successor - the F16. Even the F16 did not have all the capabilities mentioned for its first deployment.

[thrustvector]

?you know what I don't get also, apparently you have all those real life hours, flew with top gun pilots, all hated the f5 (I love it in the context its in, not against the wrong things) ...........but you still bought it knowing all you apparently know? and what type of sim this is?

[captflyby]

?you know what I don't get also, apparently you have all those real life hours, flew with top gun pilots, all hated the f5 (I love it in the context its in, not against the wrong things) ...........but you still bought it knowing all you apparently know? and what type of sim this is?

 

Always wanted to fly the F5. Still do. But will not once the F18 is available.

[captflyby]

Agreed :photo:

 

"... and his statements of his personal life are very questionable..."

 

Been there, do that. I have nothing to prove. Least of all, not to you.

[Destroyer37]

Things are "Needed" or things are wanted Capt? I personally think the F-5E-3 is on par with what the aircraft actually is...just sayin. I need one of those sweet golf carts though in the video above!

[captflyby]

OP.. ".. It sounds like they are playing on servers with modern aircraft that will always leave you at a disadvantage...

 

The idea, I'm sure, was to train on the F-5 because it is realistically implemented, then we transition to the F-18 when it comes out, and there are some that will go on to the F-14 when it comes out.

 

My preference is the F-35, but no one is modeling that in DCS, which is where I fly.

 

Don't get me wrong, I was frustrated with the combat results last night, but the plane itself is fantastic, for its era. The modeling is superb, and in VR 3D it blows the mind.

[todd022]

I'm with you captflyby. I've been arguing that the P-51 should get a jet engine and stealth capability for a while now.

 

lolol Got 'em.:megalol:

[bbrz]

Anyone surprised that cptflyby has deleted his own post about being a RW pilot with +9000hrs? LOL

[Cake]

I’d like to see the 430 in the F5. Be nice to have some additional navigation capability for flights taking place after 1998.

[Dino Might]

The F5 is a fantastic bird. My favorite in DCS, currently. I've splashed more than a few Flankers with it. You just have to k know how to use it, and get a bit lucky is all. I like that you have to work for every knot in a turn.

[myHelljumper]

Anyone surprised that cptflyby has deleted his own post about being a RW pilot with +9000hrs? LOL

 

Yeah. I don't see the point of the OP starting a forum thread to delete all of his posts....

[Sarge55]

Ummm.... You guys know what a troll is, right?

 

Can't believe there is 5 pages and it hasn't been closed.

[dimitrischal]

Trolls are like strays.

Someone just has to feed them.

[Sarge55]

Lol'd, good saying gotta remember that one.

 

Sorry I can't rep you dimitrischal says I have to spread some more rep around... +1 though.

[Red Dragon-DK]

Let me show you something that might or might not inspire you

 

 

${1}

[drPhibes]

Anyone surprised that cptflyby has deleted his own post about being a RW pilot with +9000hrs? LOL

 

He hasn't deleted it from all threads yet:

 

nikitatattoo,

 

I have 9000+ hours in the real military, high altitude, jet.

 

You will not learn easily by jumping into a complex jet, if the jet is simulated correctly.

 

Perhaps this is like on the gun forums, where 90% of the members claim to be ex-navy seals...

[DaveRindner]

Well the sim already contains all navigation aids you asked. F10 shows aircraft location on map. Place the F10 theater view into MAP mode.

You also have kneeboard which marks your position, within limits of your flight plan.

 

Having those two aids, and you cannot get lost in DCS. Unless you don't want to cheat, in which case, use E6B ( http://www.csgnetwork.com/e6bcalc.html ) or ( http://www.hochwarth.com/misc/AviationCalculator.html ) to manually plot your position. But you have to know what you are doing. That is why we have F10 Theater view.

 

F-5E-3 is very nimble in DCS. However you are right. The power modeling of powerplants is underrating realworld. That supposed to be opinion of people who flew the real thing. Still energy management is a learned skill, that must be practiced. If you are fighting against AI. AI aircraft don't use high fidelity flight model that player F-5E-3 uses. It is fundamentally unfair, but having sim computing PFM for all aircraft will degrade FPS. But human minds are more creative then programmed AI.

F-5E is limited to just two Sidewinders. The variant of AIM-9 in DCS for F-5E-3 is P and P5. Primarily rear aspect, with surprisingly effective all aspect capability. I think that DCS AIM-9P5 is close to AIM-9M, which may be more effective then real thing.

With just two AA missiles, and radar useful for initial queuing, air-air capability is more or less just for self defense. Just about every 3rd and 4th gen fighter/bomber opponent, AI or another human, outguns you, out-ranges you, out-accelerates you, and out-climbs you. Its direct opponent analogue, Mig-21Bis, is faster, accelerates faster, and climbs faster then F-5E. But F-5E has faster roll rate, faster turn rate, and tighter turn radius then Fishbed. AIM-9P5 is , IMHO, better then R-60/60M IR missiles in DCS. I own both F-5E and Mig-21Bis modules. In a merge you can fire first, but break immediately to get out of Mig-21's R60 zone.

Use your AI wingman. Have him engage opponent, while you are hanging back. When opponent goes defensive, against your wingman's missile, turn to opponent for the kill. I treat my AI wingman as an offboard weapons platform.

In daylight WVR fights, using sun position (to your back) to attack out of the sun, DOES NOT work against AI. But sun may seduce your AIM-9P if you are firing at target that is between yourself and the sun. Also player R-60/M is also seduced by sun, and I am noticing that AI Mig-21 will not loose an R-60 at you, if you are between him(AI) and the sun.

Weapons wise, regarding sight. DCS: F-5E is built around two key distances and speeds. For Air2Ground the magic slant range is 1500 meters , speed of 400 knots (indicated), and dive angle of 20, sight depression is 15 (down) for rockets and guns, 80(down) for bombs. For Air Air Guns (AA 1) sight setting, it appears to be 500 meters. For AIM-9 rear hemisphere, it works at 4 km. Beyond that range, AI bandits's flares seduce the AIM-9P. F-5E in DCS appears to have corner velocity of 400 - 500 knots (indicated).

Disclaimer: Everything above is based on my experiences thus far.

[GGTharos]

F-5E-3 is very nimble in DCS. However you are right.

 

No he isn't.

 

The power modeling of powerplants is underrating realworld. That supposed to be opinion of people who flew the real thing.

 

Opinions are irrelevant. There are performance charts available. Prove the performance doesn't match the charts or keep baseless opinions to yourself. :)

 

F-5E is limited to just two Sidewinders. The variant of AIM-9 in DCS for F-5E-3 is P and P5. Primarily rear aspect, with surprisingly effective all aspect capability. I think that DCS AIM-9P5 is close to AIM-9M, which may be more effective then real thing.

 

Again, based on what? AIM-9P5 has very poor maneuverability in the game.

[cthulhu68]

Red Dragon's Vid...

 

[DaveRindner]

I have to acknowledge that you may be right, or right(er), then me. What I posted was my own observations. As for engine power and envelope charts, OK. They don't really resonate with me. In a clean aircraft, on a standard day, with 50% internal fuel, no stores, I am unable to climb above 38500 - 39200 feet MSL, while data on F-5E, states practical ceiling of 51K. At 38K, KIAS is barely above stall, with AUTO flaps fully deployed and A/C is at 8-10 AOA, and will not climb higher. Increasing AOA, causes nose-up desent. With AB, I am lucky to break 40. On standard day with 2992 alt. setting. So to me it feels underpowered. On engine power issue, I read , here, that DCS F-5E has somewhat below energy then RW. So, you may be right, but DCS F-5E does feel a little sluggish. However I love this module. It is fantastic, with funtastic play. Prior to F-5E, I did not care, or bothered with QFE/QNH. Instead relying on radar altimeter that I took for granted, as they are modeled in other modules. With F-5E, I have to watch my indicated altitude, correct for QNH, quickly get elevation of terrain along my flight path. Flying almost-NOE at night is a real challenge. Lovin it! I still , not quite competent, with bombing accuracy, and OK soso with AG guns and rockets.

[GGTharos]

In a clean aircraft, on a standard day, with 50% internal fuel, no stores, I am unable to climb above 38500 - 39200 feet MSL, while data on F-5E, states practical ceiling of 51K. At 38K, KIAS is barely above stall, with AUTO flaps fully deployed and A/C is at 8-10 AOA, and will not climb higher.

 

Ok, which data? What climb schedule and configuration?

 

So to me it feels underpowered.

 

This is the irrelevant part :P This isn't the first thread where someone 'feels' something is off... and they're completely wrong. That's not to say that you are wrong - you just have to prove that you're right.

 

Just saying - because like I said above, this isn't the first thread with such claims. Not just abou the F-5.

[Jester986]

Successful troll is successful...