"we believe we have largely addressed these issues." MISSION ACCMPLISHED????

[Shadow KT]

More people opening their virtual mouths and letting the garbage out....

 

 

Mate, calm down, not worth it ^>^

 

let em be, you can't correct them ;)

[Esac_mirmidon]

+1 Fenrir.

 

This forum is what it is. But is always nice to hear some people like you sometimes.

[Johnny_Rico]

I appreciate it takes time to zero in on hard to replicate bugs

 

But the hotfix that removed all buildings from a terrain, but that not

being spotted (takes literally seconds) after loading a quick start mission

not being found before it got to release is a bit worrying

[will-]

Read forum rules, Put you PC specs in your Sig, it will help w/ i have a random problem issue. I haven't played DCS in a few months. But updated played Open Beta 2.6? and it worked fine, just loading time.

[Dagger71]

We may see another patch for 1.5.8 so do not assume it isn't being worked on.

 

ED always leave one version of the oldest build when we progress to new release builds.

 

the statement asked for feedback, because tweaks have been made and added to the beta build. More tweaks are being tested by us tester at the moment.

 

Are you stating that all modules being worked on now (F18 F14) are in fact going to be released first on the so called "release version" 1.5.8 prior to 2.5????

 

Also is there still an updated 1.58 beta version that will be updated?

 

What version is offered on Steam? 1.58 or 2.5 Beta or both?

 

Why isn't 1.58 shown on the DCS Products page if its the current release version?

Edited March 17, 2018 by Dagger71

[Dagger71]

I see lots of hostility here, struck a nerve with fanbois. Which is funny cause I was a very big supporter of DCS and most of my computer time was devoted to DCS.

 

Problem with going back to 1.5.8, no MP. So why would I go back to an outdated version to get the same result????????

 

If you would have read my rant, the problems in fact go back to OA 2.0 and they still decided to release it KNOWING it had major MP memory leak.

 

Anyways I'm done... will just have to keep up to date with patches and hope they get it right soon (but problem has been around for many many months now possibly since 2016 in fact).

Edited March 17, 2018 by Dagger71

[Dagger71]

As per product page:

DCS: F/A-18C Hornet Requires DCS World version 2.5!

 

Will the Hornet eventually be available for the release version then?

[key_stroked]

2.5 being a beta has nothing to do with the purpose of this thread.

 

The question originally asked was why ED wrote this in their newsletter...

 

the team has focused their efforts on loading time, memory leaks, and performance issues in the Open Beta. In this 4th update, we believe we have largely addressed these issues.

 

...when the patch notes, viewed at https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3423375&postcount=5 , do not even mention the words memory, leak, or performance.

 

I installed update 4 yesterday, along with the hotfix, and I still see the memory leak, and I still get massive stuttering in both the Georgia and Nevada maps.

 

So I would say no, they haven't addressed these issues at all with update 4. Largely or otherwise.

 

Which I'm fine with. I understand it's a beta. But why write that in your newsletter when it isn't true? That's what's being asked here.

[hansangb]

2.5 being a beta has nothing to do with the purpose of this thread.

 

The question originally asked was why ED wrote this in their newsletter...

 

...when the patch notes, viewed at https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3423375&postcount=5 , do not even mention the words memory, leak, or performance.

 

I installed update 4 yesterday, along with the hotfix, and I still see the memory leak, and I still get massive stuttering in both the Georgia and Nevada maps.

 

So I would say no, they haven't addressed these issues at all with update 4. Largely or otherwise.

 

Which I'm fine with. I understand it's a beta. But why write that in your newsletter when it isn't true? That's what's being asked here.

 

 

Why did they write that? Just to piss off their customer base, clearly.

 

 

Good lord. Did ED say "WE FOUND THE FREAKING SMOKING GUN AND ALL PROBLEMS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED WITH THIS PATCH?"

 

Of course not. They specifically wrote "In this 4th update, we believe we have largely addressed these issues. "

 

 

I get Daggers point that the MP issue has been around a long time. And i understand the frustration level. But you guys make it sound like ED is out to PERSONALLY PISS you guy off. Get some perspective. It's a game.

[Dagger71]

Why did they write that? Just to piss off their customer base, clearly.

 

 

Good lord. Did ED say "WE FOUND THE FREAKING SMOKING GUN AND ALL PROBLEMS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED WITH THIS PATCH?"

 

Of course not. They specifically wrote "In this 4th update, we believe we have largely addressed these issues. "

 

 

I get Daggers point that the MP issue has been around a long time. And i understand the frustration level. But you guys make it sound like ED is out to PERSONALLY PISS you guy off. Get some perspective. It's a game.

 

I never said anything of the sort. Issue is DCS2.5 is the one version they are pushing. F18 will only be available in 2.5 (according to pre-order page). This issue has been persistent for a very long time. Then we get told, its beta live with it. Fine I will. no sense in going back to 1.58 as there is no mp anymore.

Like I said I won't even attempt to use DCS until it is confirmed fixed, and not just "claimed to be fixed in an update. " Note, as mentioned nothing in the changelog mentions anything about the MP issues, so I am skeptical and I believe the last part of the weekend update was added to appease. again my opinion.

 

To me something is WAY out of wack with the way QA/QC has been handled since 2.1 EA, but that's a personal opinion and I will retire from ever commenting or posting about bugs ever again.

Edited March 17, 2018 by Dagger71

[key_stroked]

But you guys make it sound like ED is out to PERSONALLY PISS you guy off.

 

No I don't. I'm calmly asking, without using giant capital letters, why they wrote something in their newsletter that isn't even mentioned in the patch notes.

 

It's pretty simple actually.

[JIMJAM]

Microsoft Flight Simulator was out for 3 5 years. Let that sink in 35.

Then as we know Lockheed Martin has been working on it and although stable is still just a civilian flight sim with very basic flight models for the most part and nothing like DCS.

Don't be afraid to speak out or vent but understand doing sims right is difficult and always has been. They were the flagship of every developer but all but went extinct due to that difficulty and also those really in to simming are REALLY into simming. Hate to be the bearer of bad news but it will never be done. If someone says so, then that is a sign it's over.

Edited March 17, 2018 by JIMJAM

[Drag80]

I even borrowed and tried a 11 GB Graphic card from a friend in hopes of joining an online server. But No. Even 11GB VRAM is not enough. Now what are we supposed to do ? Its time to invent our own cards with 100 GB VRAM.

[Tinkickef]

I agree with the OP about there not being a link to a more complete version of the changelog. However I do know that there is much more going on behind the scenes. For instance, I have in the past (and mentioned in previous threads) noticed that Normandy had substantial changes made that were not in the patch notes..

 

It is still a disappointment to read the changelog given and see that nothing mentioned in a lengthy download session, addresses my particular issues, even though it might. So once again, a link in the abridged changelog, to a full changelog would, in my opinion be popular.

 

As for the rest. I think it is silly to assume that these patches are not thoroughly tested by ED before release into the badlands and I would guess that the feeling of distress and pressure by the devs responsible when it all goes pear shaped are very real, and although I also feel the disappointment deeply, and feel really pissy when the update breaks something, I think it is unhelpful to blame the devs quality control.

 

Pretty sure they have confidence in the update before release and are more shocked than any of us when that update that gave such good results in their closed servers, suddenly cause huge bloopers when out in public.

It must be like seeing a well trusted and respected colleague walk out of the building, open his raincoat and flash his genitals at passing women.

 

That is where we beta testers come in. We witness the crime and call building security.

 

Yes it is very frustrating and I am as pissed off as anybody else, but don't think the devs are not even more pissed. They will feel the shame and disappointment deeply as they have far more invested in this than any of us on here. They will certainly not be laughing at us.

 

Someone suggested we have no other choice other than 2.5 OB. That is incorrect.

 

I will just go back to 2.2 for awhile. MP players have several choices; SP 1.58, Some maps on 2.5 or on 2.2. MP on 1.58 or 2.2. You still have substantial choices.

 

It must be remembered that the very, very vast majority of DCS users, so far as I understand it are SP users who never go near MP, I would guess far less than 10% of DCS users at any one time are on MP; so its natural to sort out SP issues first.

 

If you want a real lesson in frustration and disappointment, try tapping out a lengthy post on a kindle fire touchscreen, it makes DCS look positively angelic.

Edited March 17, 2018 by Tinkickef

[Coxy_99]

Its BETA go play 1.5.8, My question is and not an attack or trolling.

 

What are the ED testers actually doing? Surely they would pick these things up using an internal build from ED would they not?

[Oban]

Its BETA go play 1.5.8, My question is and not an attack or trolling.

 

What are the ED testers actually doing? Surely they would pick these things up using an internal build from ED would they not?

 

Seeing as it's a beta release, we, the general public are also testers, and everything that can be picked up is being picked up, all very well saying things should have been picked up internally, yes, for a general release, not for alpha's or betas.

 

We all downloaded the current build knowing it wasn't the final version, for sure this latest update trashed Nevada, and that's unforgivable, as that is a product that people purchased in good faith, Caucus map was a free product... free, something that's lost on many people, unhappy at a product they got for nothing.. :music_whistling:

[Coxy_99]

Im not sure about NTTR not flown it for awhile, But large amount of buildings missing should have been picked up before the patch was released?

[Nooch]

Its BETA go play 1.5.8

 

It's funny you say this because 1.5.8 is half broken at the moment.

 

I'd be happy to play 1.5.8 if it was actually working.

[Coxy_99]

Cant look at 1.5.8 lol

[Tinkickef]

Im not sure about NTTR not flown it for awhile, But large amount of buildings missing should have been picked up before the patch was released?

 

 

I have the feeling that the hotpatch was released in a bit of a panic and maybe did not have the full internal testing done that it should have. It may be a conflict with a specific gpu driver for all we know.

Still in the middle of the mamoth 12 hour download, so I have no idea if my particular hardware and driver combination will be affected.

 

Even Oculus recommends rolling back to older versions of Nvidia drivers as the newer ones are problematic (on some rigs - mine is fine on latest driver) and they can't resolve the issues from their end, so its feasible that it's an Nvidia driver conflict affecting some rigs only.

Edited March 17, 2018 by Tinkickef

[Ulrik von Beck]

Pb is : most servers are on 2.5, now so that I have no server available in 1.5.8... List is empty. Thank you ED !

 

As for me, I won't upload any hot fix anymore, until one is sure the MP problem is really addressed by ED. I already have gallons of useless ED GBytes on my SSD, I won't pile up 13 or 20 or 25 more.

 

Actually, I won't play DCS until actual fix, because it still simply doesn't run on my PC.

 

My opinion about this programing disaster is ED team has decided to implement its own graphic engine, and it simply DOES'T WORK. The situation is not under control at all, and it won't be because this graphic engine seems spoiled from the bottom to the top.

Edited March 17, 2018 by Ulrik von Beck

[Drag80]

Pb is : most servers are on 2.5, now so that I have no server available in 1.5.8... List is empty. Thank you ED !

 

As for me, I won't upload any hot fix anymore, until one is sure the MP problem is really addressed by ED. I already have gallons of useless ED GBytes on my SSD, I won't pile up 13 or 20 or 25 more.

 

Actually, I won't play DCS until actual fix, because it still simply doesn't run on my PC.

 

My opinion about this programing disaster is ED team has decided to implement its own graphic engine, and it simply DOES'T WORK. The situation is not under control at all, and it won't be because this graphic engine seems spoiled from the bottom to the top.

 

I do not agree with what u said about grapphic engine. The quality of graphics and the size of the maps are like never seen in any other title. Even the latest AAA games does not come near when it comes to the beauty of graphics. DCS has very large and deep field in view.

 

However, I do not understand why they are unable to solve the MP issue. When single player can run, so can multiplayer like many other titles whereby the performance remains the same in SP and MP. The load on resources should be on individual client respectively rather than being on the entire network.

[Mr_sukebe]

I’m surprised at the number of people who have interpreted “we believe...’ as “we have comprehensively proven”.

There’s a reason for 2.5 still being called Beta. Chill out chaps.

 

As for no 1.5 servers still being up, that’s not really the choice of ED

Edited March 17, 2018 by Mr_sukebe

[BIGNEWY]

Are you stating that all modules being worked on now (F18 F14) are in fact going to be released first on the so called "release version" 1.5.8 prior to 2.5????

 

Also is there still an updated 1.58 beta version that will be updated?

 

What version is offered on Steam? 1.58 or 2.5 Beta or both?

 

Why isn't 1.58 shown on the DCS Products page if its the current release version?

 

NO

 

I am not stating that.

 

Modules are always released to the latest version and not legacy versions.

By the time these so far unreleased modules are in the public we will have moved on from 1.5.8 and it will be a legacy version.

[RedeyeStorm]

Welcome to the world of SP-players who have to deal with the wonky and ununderstandable workings of the AI. A situation that has remained largely unchanged since the Lock On days.