DCS: F-16C Block 50 by EDSA

[Knock-Knock]

• Exciting new aircraft coming to DCS World like the F-14 Tomcat, F/A-18C Hornet, F-16C, F-4E Phantom II, Mi-24P Hind, P-47D Thunderbolt, and many more!

 

[mvsgas]

No that would include block 32/ late block 25/early 42/late MLU/ 20 / 15 ocu / ADF

 

Correct, but even now many block 42 still use -220, only one unit I know off uses-229 (Toledo ANG 180th FW)

[SkateZilla]

CFT are for specific countries So Greek 50/52/52+, Turkey 50+, Singapore 52/52+ and others I would need to look online for.

 

MLU is not the update, there many different ones. For Example ROCAF Block 20 A models had many features from the factory (being newly built block 20)and are just now doing MLU, while others got similar capabilities with their MLU updates. The main thing is, sine the midlife update is time consuming, many countries choose to do all those updates at the same time, but not all. Here is a fairly good list of some of the updates, you can see there are structural ones like MLU or Falcon star, others for avionics like CCIP and so on.

http://wiki.scramble.nl/index.php/Lockheed_Martin_F-16_Fighting_Falcon

 

 

PW-220 can be block 20/25/32/42 so many, many options there. Block 30/40 are F110-GE-100 powered aircraft.

 

 

CFT's are Compatible w/ All F-16s (C/Ds), the USAF Does not use them because they have a significantly large Tanker Fleet.

 

 

 

As for the MLU/Block 20's.

 

It's the same as every other program.

Block 1

Block 5

Block 10

Block 15

Block 20

Block 25

Block 30/32

Block 50/52

Block 60

All of them off the line had a set Feature set, Hence Block Numbers, Each Block had a Specific Set of Upgrades over the Previous,

 

The Point I was trying to make, is after the OCU/MLU/ADF Programs were completed, the same changes/upgrades that were integrated into Fleet Aircraft, were also integrated into the Production Lines.

 

Buying a Block 20 in 1980 isnt the same as buying a block 20 in 2005.

 

So the Old Block 20 Becomes the Block 20 + MLU Features off the Line. (Block 20 MLU)

Same w/ Block 15 and the now Block 15 OCU. or Block 15 ADF

 

Then you have the Export Options, where a buyer can add/remove features for their specific purchase from each Block.

Edited April 6, 2018 by SkateZilla

[mvsgas]

CFT's are Compatible w/ All F-16s, the USAF Does not use them because they have a significantly large Tanker Fleet.

 

No, not all F-16 are compatible. Only specific countries got the update to specific aircraft. USAF, not only do not have the fuel system to accommodate CFT, the can't be attach to the frame. The problem with that in term of public view, is when Lockheed was promoting and trying to sell CFT, they would get any air frame available and put dummy CFT on them and put them on airshow or take photos. So there are many pictures of F-16 sitting on Air show with CFT but they where just fiberglass dummies. I bet if you look, you can find an F-16 block 40 from Aviano AB with CFT on it at an airshow around the early 2000 (2001 or 2002) They where just sitting on top and not even attach.

 

As for the MLU/Block 20's.

 

It's the same as every other program.

Block 1

Block 5

Block 10

Block 15

Block 20

Block 25

Block 30/32

Block 50/52

Block 60

All of them off the line had a set Feature set, Hence Block Numbers, Each Block had a Specific Set of Upgrades over the Previous,

 

The Point I was trying to make, is after the OCU/MLU/ADF Programs were completed, the same changes/upgrades that were integrated into Fleet Aircraft, were also integrated into the Production Lines.

 

Buying a Block 20 in 1980 isnt the same as buying a block 20 in 2005.

 

So the Old Block 20 Becomes the Block 20 + MLU Features off the Line. (Block 20 MLU)

Same w/ Block 15 and the now Block 15 OCU. or Block 15 ADF

 

I think you are miss understanding me. All update are different. Let me try to clarify

Lets use three A models; So ROCAF, Danish and Belgian F-16. They are all block 20.

ROCAF, had all the block 20 features when built. Danish and Belgian got updated later on.

But all three have different RWR and Chaf/flare system, weapons capabilities, even NVG lighting is different.(just some example)

 

ROCAF F-16 have been seen with AIM-7 and AGM-88, not the others. ROCAF slos use similar RWR arrangement as C models, you can see the RWR antennas on the Leading Edge Flap (LEF) and the base of the tail. Danish F-16 can carry additional chaff and flare on pylons and move RWR sensor to the pylons and even have missile launch detection. Belgian still use one antenna under the intake and one at the base of the tail for their RWR.

Edited April 6, 2018 by mvsgas

[SkateZilla]

No, not all F-16 are compatible. Only specific countries got the update to specific aircraft. USAF, not only do not have the fuel system to accommodate CFT, the can't be attach to the frame. The problem with that in term of public view, is when Lockheed was promoting and trying to sell CFT, they would get any air frame available and put dummy CFT on them and put them on airshow or take photos. So there are many pictures of F-16 sitting on Air show with CFT but they where just fiberglass dummies. I bet if you look, you can find an F-16 block 40 from Aviano AB with CFT on it at an airshow around the early 2000 (2001 or 2002) They where just sitting on top and not even attach.

 

 

 

I think you are miss understanding me. All update are different. Let me try to clarify

Lets use three A models; So ROCAF, Danish and Belgian F-16. They are all block 20.

ROCAF, had all the block 20 features when built. Danish and Belgian got updated later on.

But all three have different RWR and Chaf/flare system, weapons capabilities, even NVG lighting is different.(just some example)

 

ROCAF F-16 have been seen with AIM-7 and AGM-88, not the others. Danish F-16 can carry additional chaff and flare on pylons and move RWR sensor to the pylons and even have missile launch detection. Belgian still use one antenna under the intake and one at the base of the tail for their RWR.

 

Regarding B20 Example:

Then you have the Export Options, where a buyer can add/remove features for their specific purchase from each Block.

 

 

The CFTs were tested by Lockheed Martin in 2001-2002, and were compatible w/ all C and D Aircraft Block 50/52 Plus or Via Export Upgrade Programs on Earlier Block 30/32/40/42.

 

Many Countries bought them w/ Place holder CFTs.

 

Some countries had planned to purchase them and then didnt,

 

Dorsal Avionics Package was part of Block 30.

 

 

USAF already said they have F-16Cs that can use CFTs and can upgrade the rest, but see no reason to do so when they have a large tanker fleet, if a mission requires more munitions, they have sufficient flight worthy airframes to send in more F-16s rather than replace Drop Tanks w/ CFTs for hardpoint availablity.

[mvsgas]

No point to keep explaining. Moving on.

[SkateZilla]

the F-16 Block Block and Upgrades History is the most complicated family tree ever..

 

So I'm not too much of a man to say you're right and i'm wrong,

 

I'm just stating it how I perceive it.

 

No matter where ED settles, there's gonna be A LOT of feature requests that will be country or upgrade program specific...

[Zius]

Regardless of version / block, to get any F-16 is great news!

 

A DCS: MiG-29 to match would be great, but most likely not happening unfortunately.

[Pilotasso]

yeah ED stated that the F-16 was going to be made at some point and even shared some 3D models of cockpit several years ago. Excited that it it's production is officially committed.

[uboats]

but on FB, ED just said it's a typo

[TomCatMucDe]

DCS: F-16C by EDSA & BST

 

but on FB, ED just said it's a typo

 

 

 

They didn’t say the F16 is a typo. It was about something else.

 

 

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Edited April 7, 2018 by TomCatMucDe

[Buckeye]

DCS: F-16C by EDSA & BST

 

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[MrDieing]

I dont think ED realized what they unleashed by putting it black on white that the F-16C is coming, even though most of us knew it...

[Buzzles]

I dont think ED realized what they unleashed by putting it black on white that the F-16C is coming, even though most of us knew it...

 

Pfft. They knew exactly what would happen.

[Mainstay]

F-16 nice ! thats some really nice news.

 

A link for some interested people http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions.html

 

Now if only we could get a full sim MiG-23MLD or MiG-29C.... to reinforce RED

[Andy1966]

:helpsmilie::pilotfly::joystick::doh:

OMG OMG REALLY?

[Baz000]

On facebook they are saying it is typo

[Vitormouraa]

Oh yeah, fake news all over the place :)

[seedofcheif]

The said the exclusion of it was a typo, not it's inclusion.

[Failed Creation]

I haven't commented on any of the threads/posts I've seen about this yet as the F-16 was what started my love of military jets all the way back then on the Atari ST with Falcon. I thought it might have been a re heated Easter Fools joke. While I won't talk about fantasizing about this plane as a kid, or how cool it will be in VR, I'll have to admit that it was the first plane I looked for when I started looking at getting DCS... :D

[Weasel]

I dont think ED realized what they unleashed by putting it black on white that the F-16C is coming, even though most of us knew it...

 

I don‘t believe ED is surprised about the reaction of the community after they unleashed it on Facebook. There are many F-16 wish threads in this forum and ED knows that the F-16 is eagerly awaited.

[NeilWillis]

Wags mentioned the F-16 in the live feed too. I wouldn't hold your breath for this one though, it can and will take years to develop one.

[Silver_Dragon]

Has appears a little entry on Two More Weeks

http://www.twomoreweeks.net/f-16c-reannounced-in-dcs/

[Knock-Knock]

Meh, has been removed from the forums newsletter thread too, the F-16C.

Im so confused..

[Vitormouraa]

You guys are overthinking. NineLine said many times the Viper is still a thing. So relax!