How is VR in DCS? Also, for those that have VR, did you become better with VR?

[SC86]

Thinking about getting VR and a gaming PC, just wondering if most people in playing VR became better players, or if it really changed their playing at all? Thanks!

[71st_Mastiff]

Much better in my opinion, especially the helicopters. Distance measures are better and all though the VR is not as sharp it’s by far a better experience sitting from the seat.

[MurderOne]

In my opinion, it puts you "in" the sim as opposed to looking at it on screen. Your mileage may vary. I don't know whether I got better or worse with VR, but I won't go back to a screen.

[Doum76]

In my own experience, using The Rift, i would never ever fly without VR anymore, no matter if resolution is weak etc as non VR owner keep saying... i don't care, i'm wearing glasses in real life, so i'm used to low resolution and blurry stuff anyways lol. But seriously, using modern aircraft, it's not really that bad, since most important infos appears on your HUD and it's sharp, DDIS is a bit hard but you get used to it, but using older bird like WW2 stuff, which needs to read gauges, might be diffrent, though i can'T say i never tried.

 

 

 

The immersion etc is without word, the first time you try it it's like day and night. Requires a bit to adjust, specialy when in need of using the keyboard, but you catch it real fast... of course, the first few dogfight you do is different, i don'T do much exept versus AI's, but now when it'S back on your and you need to find it, wel you literaly need to move around to spot it, not like using TrakIR and moving your head half and inch and your pilot in DCS moves it 90 degrees +.

 

 

 

 

To answer your 2 questions, to become better, maybe in some circumstances, but again, might be tricky a TRackIR player vs a VR player, as i said, one really really work pshycily to find the otehr etc... And per did it changes the game play.... well, let me tell you, imagine you'Re about 10 000 ft up, you'Re in your Hornet, go in for a bomb or straffe run and start going in looking at your left shoulder maybe 45-60 degrees below the aircraft to spot the target, going in for the pop up/pass , as your roll in and inverted you start looking on your left shoulder around 90 degrees, but start moving your head looking up as the ground gets over your head.... now, imagine in VR, having your head tilt a little .5 inch looking a bit left of your screen and keep it this way until you're rolled in for the back and remove your head .5 inch. :)

 

 

 

Just watch Mover's video and posted yesterday, look at him go as he tried DCS in VR for the first time and he made in the bottom corner of the screen himself overlapping the sim view, you'll see move around, just looking at this it can explain what i mean by game change, versus looking at a fix front screen.

 

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=227581

Edited December 22, 2018 by Doum76

[Ala12Rv-Tundra]

I dont´care about a scoreboard, I care about flying feeling and inmersion, so it´s VR or nothing. I wish I had bought my headset months ago than I did.

[javelina1]

I dont´care about a scoreboard, I care about flying feeling and inmersion, so it´s VR or nothing. I wish I had bought my headset months ago than I did.

 

 

my exact thought after the first couple of flights in VR.

[flask]

Warning If You purchase the Rift be prepared for:

1) The biggest grin on your face ever

2) The biggest grin on your face ever

3) Learning how to look down your nose when typing

4) Know on the number pad with R/control and shift : that the * is Forward, / is back, 5 is centre, 8,2,4,6 are up, down, left and right respectively

 

Yes you will become a better Sim pilot, Dogfighting ?, cant say for everyone but I think Track ir has an advantage due to real life neck limit turning ( plus the fact I suck at dogfighting to start with)

 

 

As to screen door effect, I don't notice it on my rig anymore, not saying its gone just my rig is very powerful and what with all the DCS tweaks etc etc

 

 

5) VR hair ( you will see what I mean ) mind you VR hair effect on me is minimal to none

[javelina1]

 

5) VR hair ( you will see what I mean ) mind you VR hair effect on me is minimal to none

 

 

Just do a google search on "Grandpa Munster".... :music_whistling::lol:

[JABO2009]

I want to try DCS in VR so badly, but Im afraid to be disappointed because of my limited hardware specs / meanwhile aged PC ..

 

Since the move to a GTX 1060 6GGB, DCS is delightful on a standard 1080p , with avg 45 to 68 fps in MP , but with VR, I think I'll run into troubles..

[Knock-Knock]

...but with VR, I think I'll run into troubles..

 

Yes, Im sorry to say.

[MemphisBelle]

I´m using the Rift now since roundabout 5 Month now and I tell you that I only run DCS in 2D (Screen) to adjust my Options. For me it´s VR only since then. The beginning was quite intense because you´ll get a totally different sense of depth by looking out of the Cockpit. But you´ll adapt to it quite easily, this is the Moment when you say...never ever again in 2D...

 

Sure, you have to say good by to awesome grapfics and high Resolution, but with a mid class PC like my one (check my Sig) you´ll get decent framerates to enjoy DCS in all ist aspects.

 

I´ve read about Trouble with typing while beeing in VR, well that might indeed happen, but I recommend Voice Attack. It´s a Programm that you can buy via steam and it is part of sales pretty much regulary. If not, so it´s just somethings around 11€ (currently in sale for roundabout 8-9€) --> https://store.steampowered.com/app/583010/VoiceAttack/

if you live in the US, so do the math :).

[Ala12Rv-Tundra]

I want to try DCS in VR so badly, but Im afraid to be disappointed because of my limited hardware specs / meanwhile aged PC ..

 

Since the move to a GTX 1060 6GGB, DCS is delightful on a standard 1080p , with avg 45 to 68 fps in MP , but with VR, I think I'll run into troubles..

Checking your signature, I think Win10 is mandatory for Rift, but of course I might be mistaken.

Your aging CPU wouldn´t help at all either.

[javelina1]

Checking your signature, I think Win10 is mandatory for Rift, but of course I might be mistaken.

Your aging CPU wouldn´t help at all either.

 

 

I'm still using the Rift with Win8.1. I won't switch to Win10 until I plan to build my new gaming rig. Just awaiting the right GPU/CPU and next gen VR.... ;):music_whistling: (which will be a long wait). :cry:

[Doum76]

Warning If You purchase the Rift be prepared for:

1) The biggest grin on your face ever

2) The biggest grin on your face ever

3) Learning how to look down your nose when typing

4) Know on the number pad with R/control and shift : that the * is Forward, / is back, 5 is centre, 8,2,4,6 are up, down, left and right respectively

 

Yes you will become a better Sim pilot, Dogfighting ?, cant say for everyone but I think Track ir has an advantage due to real life neck limit turning ( plus the fact I suck at dogfighting to start with)

 

 

As to screen door effect, I don't notice it on my rig anymore, not saying its gone just my rig is very powerful and what with all the DCS tweaks etc etc

 

 

5) VR hair ( you will see what I mean ) mind you VR hair effect on me is minimal to none

 

The sorta Racoon face is also funny when taking off the HMD :)

Edited December 23, 2018 by Doum76

[FragBum]

Absolutely! VR gets you so much closer to a flying experience in a SIM and gives you an incredible sense of situation especially for close in work in helicopters.

[hansangb]

Here's what a real FA-18C driver says about DCS, FA18 and flying in VR.

 

 

When he first tried out DCS FA18 w/o VR, he was getting very frustrated because a) joystick wasn't mapped like IRL but b) mostly because he couldn't padlock, look around *just* like in RL. With VR, you can do that. Yes, it's not 4K clarity, but don't play DCS for the arcade feel of racking up wins. I want to *fly*. Which means I want the experience as closely as possible. And you get that in VR. Also, you do become a better pilot because it's IMPOSSIBLE to fly in a 3D world with a 2D monitor. Sure, I would like wider Field of View, better clarity. But I would NEVER give up my Rift for my 34" Acer monitor.

 

 

 

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[gordon200]

The realism of VR can not be matched. As stated above you feel as though you are IN the aircraft.

 

I owned CV1 Rift for 18 months then tried the Odyssey Plus. It has richer colors and little to no screen door effect.

https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/hmd/windows-mixed-reality/hmd-odyssey-windows-mixed-reality-headset-xe800zba-hc1us/

 

Samsung Odyssey+ does not ship directly to Europe. There is a company that will handle European customers - https://www.bigapplebuddy.com/

A word of caution - A friend recently bought an Odyssey+ and had it shipped to Poland. They levied a $169 import fee on the $400 purchase. Check with customs in your area before ordering.

 

[CAmastersgt]

I tried going back to flying on a monitor but quickly switched back to VR. It just doesn't compare. You feel like you are there with VR. It makes you a better pilot. You lose a little bit of sharpness but you get a richer experience. Landings definitely became easier, in fact when I got the F/A-18 I made a carrier landing on the first attempt. I'm fairly confident in saying I would not have been as successful without them. VR just places you there. VR in DCS is the way to go. Eventually VR goggles will get sharper and with a wider field of view. Pimax is already bringing better goggles to market and others will have to follow with their sets. If it wasn't for VR I would never have bought any modules or even have stayed with DCS for that matter.

[SonofEil]

Let me state upfront that I can’t see myself ever going back to 2D. VR is revolutionary, a totally different experience.

That said, since all of the positives have basically been said ad nauseum in this and countless other posts I’ll give you some of the negatives I’ve experienced.

 

2D envy! Yes, believe it or not I sometimes experience 2D envy when watching a YouTube tutorial or dogfight video. This is mostly because of the resolution issue in VR. I watch a video and the sim looks absolutely gorgeous, crisp and clear. I go play in VR...and that crisp cleanness just isn’t there. You do get used to it to a degree, and the benefits of immersion can’t be overstated, but I do occasionally wish my sim looked like the ones in the YouTube videos.

 

Which brings us to -> I miss playing on max settings. It goes back to the sim looking gorgeous. My rig could take almost anything DCS could throw at it in 2D. In VR my sliders and settings are sitting at the bottom third of their ranges.

 

FoV, while generally increased from a 2D monitor, is still very limited. The most accurate description I’ve heard is that it’s like looking out of a scuba mask. It’s very much like that.

 

VR headsets, even the ‘comfortable’ ones, are not comfortable. As far as I know no manufacturer currently makes a headset with any fans or ventilation. Often during a DCS session my face under the mask is a sweaty mess. Just the fact that you have a big mask strapped over your eyes for prolonged periods isn’t the most pleasant thing.

 

I currently fly with labels on. It’s a necessary evil in VR. I hate flying with labels.

 

It’s a lot more ‘work’ to fly in VR. With TrackIR you can easily spin your virtual head like the Exorcist girl. In VR it is hard to look behind you, and looking behind you is extremely important if you’re in a knife fight.

 

There are some people who switch back and forth between VR and 2D (Wags being one of them) and even a few who don’t feel that VR is advanced enough to justify the switch. For me personally, the benefits of VR outweigh the negatives, but I wanted to make clear there are some not-insignificant trade offs.

Edited December 26, 2018 by SonofEil

[Zoomer]

I use the rift in DCS, IL2, Assetto Corsa and Project cars etc. Forget about 2D gaming, it`s a massive let down after VR. You`ll never spend big money on a monitor again. Once you fly in VR you will not want to return to 2D gaming. You become part of the environment and the sense of presence is phenomenal. The rift will be the best purchase you`ll make for sim games, but you need a good setup to power it. I currently run an i7 4790K@4.6ghz, SSD, 24 gigs ram & RTX 2080, you pay for your pleasure.

Edited December 26, 2018 by Zoomer

[Wolf8312]

I use the rift in DCS, IL2, Assetto Corsa and Project cars etc. Forget about 2D gaming, it`s a massive let down after VR. You`ll never spend big money on a monitor again. Once you fly in VR you will not want to return to 2D gaming. You become part of the environment and the sense of presence is phenomenal. The rift will be the best purchase you`ll make for sim games, but you need a good setup to power it. I currently run an i7 4790K@4.6ghz, SSD, 24 gigs ram & RTX 2080, you pay for your pleasure.

 

How long have you had VR zoomer. Flight and driving sims I’ll never go back to 2D, but there are many games I still much prefer on a monitor, and some that just wouldn’t work in VR. I tried subnautica in VR, but for a game like that, found it too exhausting to wear a HMD for the lengths of time one would need to invest to make any progress. With flight and driving sims I fly one mission or have one race, and then have a rest.

 

I thought I’d never go back to 2D at first, but ir does have its benefits.