HP's Reverb VR Pro Headset

[Gregkar]

No it's ok, i sanded it a bit, i think it's ok now

[TWC_SLAG]

I see. That's unfortunate. Just curious, was it physical loss of vision or was it something like amblyopia or strabismus? The whole reason why I got into VR in the first place was because I wanted to help with my son's strabismus (commonly known as lazy eye). There was a kickstarter for an app called Diplopia that helped my son. At the time, medical literature said that unless you fix it at age 2-4, you can't fix it. Then McGill university proved that the brain more pliable than previously known.

 

The Diplopia app became See Vividly. Again, if it's a physical damage, you can't see stereo. But if it's something else, check out https://www.seevividly.com/

 

I don’t remember what it is called. Some very tiny veins became clogged, resulting in some dead optic nerves. I have a very blurred spot on the center of my field of vision. Periferal vision is OK, but doesn’t help a lot. I was hoping that what I can see with my right eye would be enough to satisfy VR. But it isn’t.

[Rogue Trooper]

I think there may be a problem with the right eye of the Reverb.... possibly.

 

 

I have just had my eyes retested and I will wait until my new glasses arrive in 7 days before I talk about the reverb actual. The test was a revelation from my original eye test in 2015.

 

If the new glasses work out fine I will order my VR opticians permanent mounts.

 

I believe the right optiks unit may be secondary to the primary left when it comes to power distribution, it is possible that the USB power supply needs to come from a USB C (1.5 ampere) powered USB hub instead of the standard 3.0 USB gen 2 0.9 Ampere hub.. perhaps!

Perhaps a powered hub may do the job.

Perhaps this due to the dreaded left eye mirrored to monitor.

 

My right eye has a tear of brighter light down the right eye piece, top to bottom, It intersects the central focal point perfectly. This could be a power issue or could just be a specific optikal or screen abnormality specific to my unit.

The tear of lighter light is hardly noticeable in DCS combat and flight.... but it is there. I most notice it in the hunk of junk VR houses that come as standard with this virtual head piece..... Steam VR home home is pretty awesome mind!

 

For the chopper pilot, there is no doubt that this head set is a valuable tool to the simulator...... I find it hard to describe exactly what makes its obvious attributes virtually impossible for me to go back to 2D monitors. I think the real world scale is probably it,

The size of the world you look at and how that translates to your chopper seems to bring the virtual into the real with ease.

I think in the 2D world, the movement just never made sense, real world joystick movement seems to be related to a tiny little chopper in a tiny little screen.

In VR it is a big world chopper in a true world scale, the movement of the real world cyclic is perfectly in tune with the real scale world in which it sits. VR is a thing of beauty.

 

 

Holding the gazelle on the edge of a building, opening the door and leaning out and looking down the edge of the building to the real world sized BTR sitting at the base of the building is just something special!

 

My only conclusion so far is that VR is true!

Edited January 15, 2020 by Rogue Trooper

[hansangb]

Excellent, helpful video for novices which I'm sure a lot of peple will find really useful.

 

Just a couple of little points.

 

1) HMD stands for head-mounted display, not helmet-mounted. (Trivial!)

 

2) saving files in Notepad to avoid getting the txt extension is easier than you suggest. You just select 'all files' from the drop down instead of 'text documents'.

 

3) In my opinion, the way you describe the effect of PD and SteamVR SS is a little confusing. You say a PD of 1.5 increases by 50%, and a value of 200% doubles in SteamVR, but that is not strictly true. You're not comparing like for like there. A PD of 1.5 increases the number of pixels per axis by 50% to give a total increase in pixels of 1.5*1.5, i.e. 2.25 times the original number - more than doubling. However, a SteamVR value of 200% does double the number of pixels. SteamVR 200% is roughly equivalent to a PD value of 1.4.

 

Great video though!

 

I guess i must have mumbled the "display" part of HMD. It was a single take :)

 

I debated going deeper about SS/PD. But given the audience target, I just wanted to convey that 1.0 and 100% equivalent. However, I noticed that I was starting to go down a rathole that I wanted to avoid.

 

I may do another one that's more detailed. But I better get on the through-the-lens video first.

[DerekSpeare]

Ok y'all...I have a Reverb inbound...We have several WMR systems so it's not much efforts to put it into service. Though I am planning to watch @HSB's vid to make sure I didn't miss anything.

 

 

 

This one is going on my personal system, and I am migrating from the DK2 => CV1 => Reverb. I chose the Reverb primarily for the reason that the Rift S headband is some garbage. I hate those halos, FWIW.

[Rogue Trooper]

Also.

The casual user should be aware of IPD measurements made at home. with a simple ruler my IPD measurement across 10 measurements averaged at 67 mm

 

 

With a mitututovo Vernier calipers I measured an average of 64.7mm and with my last optician measurements gave a value of 64.4 mm.

 

 

measuring with a ruler is for Sh!t!

[Rogue Trooper]

Personally, I reckon DCS Pixel density is related to the processor rendering rather than Super Sampling. Super Sampling is simply for setting the resolution of the VR eye ware, it is a function of the graphics card and eye piece...... DCS Pixel density is a fundamental function of the CPU graphics driver.... its adjustment is fundamental to the overall performance of the single core DCS engine!

A 0.1 adjustment in Pixel Density affects the performance of the weapon massively!

 

 

That's what I reckon..... could be wrong mind!

Edited January 15, 2020 by Rogue Trooper

[Rogue Trooper]

For me VR is just incredible,

it is not the awesome head tracking that just seems to work every time.

it is not the massive cockpits that surround you.

it is not the Huey or MI-8's cockpit's bus scale pits that drop into a turn that blows me.

it is not the scale of the world outside that blows me.

 

 

it is the finesse of control you have in this large world, It is the small maneuverers in DCS VR that are just simply superb, it is almost like your joystick has a totally different output from that little crappy 2D monitor .... DCS choppers are just unreal in VR!

Edited January 15, 2020 by Rogue Trooper

[imacken]

I guess i must have mumbled the "display" part of HMD. It was a single take :)

 

I debated going deeper about SS/PD. But given the audience target, I just wanted to convey that 1.0 and 100% equivalent. However, I noticed that I was starting to go down a rathole that I wanted to avoid.

 

I may do another one that's more detailed. But I better get on the through-the-lens video first.

 

Trivial I know, but it was that you said ‘helmet-mounted’ instead of ‘head-mounted’, not that you missed ‘display’.

 

Good luck with the new video!

[dburne]

For me VR is just incredible,

it is not the awesome head tracking that just seems to work every time.

it is not the massive cockpits that surround you.

it is not the Huey or MI-8's cockpit's bus scale pits that drop into a turn that blows me.

it is not the scale of the world outside that blows me.

 

 

it is the finesse of control you have in this large world, It is the small maneuverers in DCS VR that are just simply superb, it is almost like your joystick has a totally different output from that little crappy 2D monitor .... DCS choppers are just unreal in VR!

 

:thumbup:

 

Agreed!

[GunSlingerAUS]

OK, as promised, a quick 15min tutorial on the settings that you can play with or setup in Windows Mixed Reality portal and SteamVR setting.

 

Hope it helps. LMK here or on YT if you have any questions.

 

 

Quick note about Asynch Reproj. It's actually always enabled with WMR HMDs. Your text file change simply uses a different algorithm than the normal. It displays different artefacts compared to the normal mode. After over 150 hours of VR tweaking and testing, I could not find a way to disable asynch warp. The only way to do it automatically is to match your FPS to the HMD's refresh rate, either 60 or 90, depending o what you set in the WMR options.

 

I've been meaning to write a detailed post about this, as 99% of VR users totally misunderstand what it does, and how it works.

[Gnadentod]

I believe the right optiks unit may be secondary to the primary left when it comes to power distribution, it is possible that the USB power supply needs to come from a USB C (1.5 ampere) powered USB hub instead of the standard 3.0 USB gen 2 0.9 Ampere hub.. perhaps!

Perhaps a powered hub may do the job.

These VR headsets, especially the Reverb should always be used with powered USB hubs (or separately powered PCIe cards) in general. No one with a sane mind does want to power his computer screen via USB connection, let alone two displays. This is basically what these headsets are.

[Baldrick33]

These VR headsets, especially the Reverb should always be used with powered USB hubs (or separately powered PCIe cards) in general. No one with a sane mind does want to power his computer screen via USB connection, let alone two displays. This is basically what these headsets are.

I have a powered hub and a PCIe USB card. My Reverb only works with the motherboard USB. When I had the Index it wouldn't work with my motherboard USB nor the powered hub, that is why I ended up getting the PCIe card with which it worked. No one solution seems to fit all...

[sze5003]

I have a powered hub and a PCIe USB card. My Reverb only works with the motherboard USB. When I had the Index it wouldn't work with my motherboard USB nor the powered hub, that is why I ended up getting the PCIe card with which it worked. No one solution seems to fit all...

This is true, not all pcie cards work for everyone. I had to buy a different one, startek with individual power for each bus that I use now. I also have a powered USB hub which I use for my hotas.

[hansangb]

Quick note about Asynch Reproj. It's actually always enabled with WMR HMDs. Your text file change simply uses a different algorithm than the normal. It displays different artefacts compared to the normal mode. After over 150 hours of VR tweaking and testing, I could not find a way to disable asynch warp. The only way to do it automatically is to match your FPS to the HMD's refresh rate, either 60 or 90, depending o what you set in the WMR options.

 

I've been meaning to write a detailed post about this, as 99% of VR users totally misunderstand what it does, and how it works.

 

 

I think a lot of folks here (who've been around the block) would certainly appreciate it. I'll add it to the comment to link to it so let me know.

[hansangb]

Ok y'all...I have a Reverb inbound...We have several WMR systems so it's not much efforts to put it into service. Though I am planning to watch @HSB's vid to make sure I didn't miss anything.

 

 

 

This one is going on my personal system, and I am migrating from the DK2 => CV1 => Reverb. I chose the Reverb primarily for the reason that the Rift S headband is some garbage. I hate those halos, FWIW.

 

 

OH, I think you're going to like it. Just make sure you wiretie the cables so it won't pull on the connectors. Ironic that Reverb is more like CV1 than S.

[Gnadentod]

I have a powered hub and a PCIe USB card. My Reverb only works with the motherboard USB. When I had the Index it wouldn't work with my motherboard USB nor the powered hub, that is why I ended up getting the PCIe card with which it worked. No one solution seems to fit all...

It also depends how much other stuff you have connected to the same USB controller. I have 4 other devices which need power, excluding mouse and keyboard here. If you have all of your flying gear and Reverb plugged into the same motherboard USB controller and everything is working without flaws, then - well you have won the USB controller lottery! If I would get my Reverb shipped for DCS I wouldn't really bet on this and buy something for a better power source right off the bat, nevermind the 20 bucks. You wouldn't really want to wait another three days or so for the next package to arrive when you got the Reverb already, would you?

[speed-of-heat]

OH, I think you're going to like it. Just make sure you wiretie the cables so it won't pull on the connectors. Ironic that Reverb is more like CV1 than S.

It should ship with a clip, that means you don’t have to...

[imacken]

Quick note about Asynch Reproj. It's actually always enabled with WMR HMDs. Your text file change simply uses a different algorithm than the normal. It displays different artefacts compared to the normal mode. After over 150 hours of VR tweaking and testing, I could not find a way to disable asynch warp. The only way to do it automatically is to match your FPS to the HMD's refresh rate, either 60 or 90, depending o what you set in the WMR options.

 

I've been meaning to write a detailed post about this, as 99% of VR users totally misunderstand what it does, and how it works.

 

Can you pleas explain what you mean by that?

 

All I know is that if I don’t enable motion reproduction in the vrsettings file, then there is no restraint on my fps. I get anything in the range of 30-90. With it on, it’s pretty much just 45 or 90.

[Rix]

So another new guy to the VR tweaking abyss... I'm 30-40 hours into it at this point.

 

 

 

Understood it may be over the top in terms of $$ (and knowing the true performance issues are not hardware), but I'm curious if anybody is running 2 x 2080ti's using an NVLink? And if so - are they able to max it out?

 

 

TIA

[speed-of-heat]

Vr doesn't support SLI

[Wali763]

Im rather new to VR and having a Rift S. Did not like the Reverb. But I only put in a few hours in tweaking the settings. Not just because there is less to tweak with a Rift. When I had a point, where it was ok for me I stopped. There is no use in tweaking and tweaking if the final result is not that different. Except if you like doing it. And there is rarely the perfect setting, its all compromise.

 

In 2D I pretty soon stopped have Afterburner show me my fps. If its ok for you, it dont matter if its 33 or 93fps.

 

About dedicated PCI-usb-Cards. When I tested the Reverb it worked on my mainboards USB-port. Also the first Rift worked without problem. My current Rift S rarely worked with my mainboards USBs and also a powered dedicated PCI-USB-card didnt work. Now with a powered USB-hub it works most of the time.

[eaglecash867]

Im rather new to VR and having a Rift S. Did not like the Reverb. But I only put in a few hours in tweaking the settings. Not just because there is less to tweak with a Rift. When I had a point, where it was ok for me I stopped. There is no use in tweaking and tweaking if the final result is not that different. Except if you like doing it. And there is rarely the perfect setting, its all compromise.

 

In 2D I pretty soon stopped have Afterburner show me my fps. If its ok for you, it dont matter if its 33 or 93fps.

 

Exactly. :D You don't need to know how the sausage is made to know whether or not it tastes good.

[Fusedspine33]

Im rather new to VR and having a Rift S. Did not like the Reverb. But I only put in a few hours in tweaking the settings. Not just because there is less to tweak with a Rift. When I had a point, where it was ok for me I stopped. There is no use in tweaking and tweaking if the final result is not that different. Except if you like doing it. And there is rarely the perfect setting, its all compromise.

 

In 2D I pretty soon stopped have Afterburner show me my fps. If its ok for you, it dont matter if its 33 or 93fps.

 

About dedicated PCI-usb-Cards. When I tested the Reverb it worked on my mainboards USB-port. Also the first Rift worked without problem. My current Rift S rarely worked with my mainboards USBs and also a powered dedicated PCI-USB-card didnt work. Now with a powered USB-hub it works most of the time.

 

For some a powered PCI USB card works like a charm, for others it fails and the powered USB hub does the trick. It could be that those that don’t find success with the PCI USB card need an upgraded PC power supply as well.

[hansangb]

So another new guy to the VR tweaking abyss... I'm 30-40 hours into it at this point.

 

 

 

Understood it may be over the top in terms of $$ (and knowing the true performance issues are not hardware), but I'm curious if anybody is running 2 x 2080ti's using an NVLink? And if so - are they able to max it out?

 

 

TIA

 

 

If you're suffering, I'm guessing you have a CPU bottleneck. 2080Ti will handle Reverb just fine. I did zero tweaking. Well, I do have Process Lasso but that's about it.