dmatt76 Posted September 22, 2019 Posted September 22, 2019 (edited) Watching academic videos I got an impression that the MFDs screens seem a little too small and hidden deep inside, always in the the shadow. On every pic of the real one they like more reachable, easier to read, bigger. ED might have all the measurements right but the perspective, lighting and shadows in the cockpit don't seem right. When Wags is setting some stuff there, it's like operating Nokia 3210 screens which fell on the floor... Edited September 24, 2019 by dmatt76
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted September 22, 2019 ED Team Posted September 22, 2019 I would wait until you are sat in the cockpit, I am testing in VR and on a screen and it all looks good for me. Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, PIMAX Crystal
billeinstein Posted September 22, 2019 Posted September 22, 2019 (edited) Heading west in the morning will let the sun illuminate the panel. Edited September 22, 2019 by billeinstein [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
splash Posted September 22, 2019 Posted September 22, 2019 I've just compared with another well known flight simulator and they are quite similar. Maybe the position in the cockpit influences the sense of littleness. What I feel is a very high gamma or brillance setting in Wags' monitor. Anyway cockpit looks impresive.
dmatt76 Posted September 22, 2019 Author Posted September 22, 2019 (edited) We all know what another well known flight sim is, but even there they seem to pop up more in the front, like in those pics above. ON ED screenshots MFDs are way in the back, always in dark shadows- but maybe that's how real pilots see them, and I got the wrong impression all the time because of this 2D pics... :) But if it's really the way they should be, I'm afraid they won't be as much fun to use, as in the Hornet... A computer simulation sometimes need to be a little off to a real-deal, in order to be playable. Edited September 22, 2019 by dmatt76
Nospin44 Posted September 22, 2019 Posted September 22, 2019 I agree. It was the first thing I noticed early on. Cockpit looks amazing but like others have said, they look too set back. Still such a good job by ED with the pit.
Covurt Posted September 22, 2019 Posted September 22, 2019 Well they are only 4 inches x 4 inches. In real life. Stick stick something that size down by your knees in a relaxed reclined seated position and see how it looks.
ED Team cofcorpse Posted September 22, 2019 ED Team Posted September 22, 2019 MFDs are indeed small. When I first read that they are only 4x4 inches, I was very surprised. And when I bought Cougar MFD, I realized that they are quite small!
Cyborg71 Posted September 22, 2019 Posted September 22, 2019 I say it looks good. My fear was the feeling of the ufc not projecting forward enough and the MFDs not sitting back. The 'other' sim (though old) is guilty of that in my opinion. Wags and ED look to have done a stellar job. Never sat in the viper. This looks like the closest I will get. Looks great.
SmoglessPanic Posted September 22, 2019 Posted September 22, 2019 I say it looks good. My fear was the feeling of the ufc not projecting forward enough and the MFDs not sitting back. The 'other' sim (though old) is guilty of that in my opinion. Wags and ED look to have done a stellar job. Never sat in the viper. This looks like the closest I will get. Looks great. I completely agree with you, the way the team did the cockpit gives you a nice sense of depth for the MFD's and an sense of protrusion for the middle console between the legs from the UFC down to the Nav.
Geraki Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 The MFD are ok !!! if you jump into a real one F-16 you will see that are smaller too. Generally the cockpit is small !!!
Shimmergloom667 Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 I sat in an F-16 not long ago - the pit is modelled perfectly and the MFDs are spot-on. i7 - 9700K | 32 GB DDR4 3200 | RTX 2080 | VKB Gunfighter Mk II /w MCG Pro | Virpil T-50CM2 Throttle | TrackIR 5 | VKB Mk. IV AJS-37 | A/V-8B | A-10C | F-14A/B | F-16C | F-18C | F-86F | FC3 | JF-17 | Ka-50 | L-39 | Mi-8 | MiG-15bis | MiG-19 | MiG-21bis | M2000-C | P-51D | Spitfire LF Mk. IX | UH-1H
DAN Posted September 24, 2019 Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) I sat in an F-16 not long ago - the pit is modelled perfectly and the MFDs are spot-on. I remember when I was on a EW course we had a guess who was a Viper driver from Shaw and he says the MFDs are so small and now with all the new software they everything is so cluttered with symbology it is crazy. They couldn't wait to get the centre pedestal display like the ANG. Also I did a ride in a Block 30 sim long time ago and yes they are small. Edited September 24, 2019 by DAN
hip3rion Posted September 24, 2019 Posted September 24, 2019 Throughout this video, you can see several snapshots of how far back the mfds are and their size relative to a human knee. This pilot seems to be well over 6 ft though. We'll need better VR headsets than for the Hornet to read those :D Cheers
mvsgas Posted September 24, 2019 Posted September 24, 2019 tfb2L-blz4Y That is a test bird, notice the additional switches and lights on the glare shield. Would not use that as reference. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
hip3rion Posted September 24, 2019 Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) Hi, The 4x4 mfds dont seem to have been swapped for bigger or smaller screens. A couple other videos of various models. All show a consistent "knee picture" For comparison, here is how close to the eye the legacy hornet screens are Edited September 24, 2019 by hip3rion
mvsgas Posted September 24, 2019 Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) hip3rion, To clarify, I do not think the CMFD in DCS look to small nor am I saying your wrong. Not trying to correct you, just pointing details about the references you are providing. So a video of a test F-16 is not a good reference because it has other things in the cockpit that are not in the DCS version of the F-16 and people might think should be there. Edited September 24, 2019 by mvsgas To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
mvsgas Posted September 24, 2019 Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) Just trying to providing context for the references vRqbOvcmnO8 This is a A model WS4mZiIqzxU This may be closest to what we may get in DCS, considering it is a 11 year ahead of the DCS F-16. This is a D model block 50 from 2018. Another angle form the last video Edited September 24, 2019 by mvsgas spelling To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
Gierasimov Posted September 25, 2019 Posted September 25, 2019 To the contrary A computer simulation sometimes need to be a little off to a real-deal, in order to be playable. Absolutely, 100% NOT. A computer simulation needs to be as real as it gets. Computer game OTHER THAN SIMULATION, can indeed be a little off on the other hand. DCS always was, it is, and - I sure hope so - will remain SIMULATION. Intel Ultra 9 285K :: ROG STRIX Z890-A GAMING WIFI :: Kingston Fury 64GB :: MSI RTX 4080 Gaming X Trio :: VKB Gunfighter MK.III MCG Ultimate :: VPC MongoosT-50 CM3 :: non-VR :: single player :: open beta
rrohde Posted September 25, 2019 Posted September 25, 2019 Absolutely, 100% NOT. A computer simulation needs to be as real as it gets. Computer game OTHER THAN SIMULATION, can indeed be a little off on the other hand. DCS always was, it is, and - I sure hope so - will remain SIMULATION. +1 Totally agree! :thumbup: PC: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X | MSI Suprim GeForce 3090 TI | ASUS Prime X570-P | 128GB DDR4 3600 RAM | 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD | Win10 Pro 64bit Gear: HP Reverb G2 | JetPad FSE | VKB Gunfighter Pro Mk.III w/ MCG Ultimate VKBcontrollers.com
bart Posted September 25, 2019 Posted September 25, 2019 Absolutely, 100% NOT. A computer simulation needs to be as real as it gets. Computer game OTHER THAN SIMULATION, can indeed be a little off on the other hand. DCS always was, it is, and - I sure hope so - will remain SIMULATION. +1 The pilot in the video above on the F16 cockpit tour mentions how small and tight the Vipers cockpit is. I really hope this is simulated for us in VR. I've seen other representations of an F16 cockpit, ok it was on a 2D screen, but it gives the impression that it's quite a large space to sit in, I know it's difficult to simulate on a 2D screen but still the pit looks very spacious. I really hope they have simulated how small and tight the Vipers cockpit is when in VR. I think ED have done this rather well on the Spitfire which feels rightfully small when sitting in it in VR. System :- i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12 core, ASUS ROG Strix Z690-A Gaming, 64GB Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 3200MHz, 24GB Asus ROG Strix Geforce RTX 3090, 1x 500GB Samsung 980 PRO M.2, 1x 2TB Samsung 980 PRO M.2, Corsair 1000W RMx Series Modular 80 Plus Gold PSU, Windows 10. VIRPIL VPC WarBRD Base with HOTAS Warthog Stick and Warthog Throttle, VIRPIL ACE Interceptor Pedals, VIRPIL VPC Rotor TCS Plus Base with a Hawk-60 Grip, HP Reverb G2.
SkateZilla Posted September 25, 2019 Posted September 25, 2019 Cockpit is made to correct size and dimensions, What you are seeing is how depth perception and FoV affect how things appear on a flat 2D Screen. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
counter25 Posted September 26, 2019 Posted September 26, 2019 Does anyone know if there will be some kind of software enhancement to make the MFD contents readable in average VR HMDs? I feel like in the F/A-18C the text scales a bit when moving the head further away.
Sierra99 Posted September 28, 2019 Posted September 28, 2019 I remember when I was on a EW course we had a guess who was a Viper driver from Shaw and he says the MFDs are so small and now with all the new software they everything is so cluttered with symbology it is crazy. The F-16 MFDs are indeed small...Which is why I am beginning the process of building a front panel so I can mount 7" displays behind mine so I can read the damn things...But I've been waiting close to 30 years for this jet soooo I'm not too upset. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Primary Computer ASUS Z390-P, i7-9700K CPU @ 5.0Ghz, 32GB Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 @ 3200Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce 1070 Ti AMP Extreme, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe drives (1Tb & 500 Gb), Windows 10 Professional, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Thrustmaster Warthog Stick, Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle, Cougar MFDs x3, Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals and TrackIR 5. -={TAC}=-DCS Server Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3, i7-3770K CPU @ 3.90GHz, 32GB G.SKILL Ripjaws DDR3 @ 1600Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce® GTX 970.
MerlinG Posted October 5, 2019 Posted October 5, 2019 Watching academic videos I got an impression that the MFDs screens seem a little too small and hidden deep inside, always in the the shadow. On every pic of the real one they like more reachable, easier to read, bigger. ED might have all the measurements right but the perspective, lighting and shadows in the cockpit don't seem right. When Wags is setting some stuff there, it's like operating Nokia 3210 screens which fell on the floor... Neither of these is a "real " picture!
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