How difficult is this plane to learn ?

[jfri]

When it comes to learning to fly and fight in this plane how difficult is it compared to (two modules I have)

 

The Spitfire

The P51 Mustang

also consider quality of documentation and tutorials. Btw is the tutorials voiced ?

[razo+r]

Easier than Spitfire in terms of flying. In terms of systems/engine management, also easier.

 

Easier in every part compared to the P-51 except everything that includes wheels having contact with ground. Someone fresh needs a bit of practise. But if you know how to handle the spitfire on ground, the 109 won't give you lots of troubles.

[grafspee]

Bf-109's rudder is very small, so plane suffer rudder eficiency at low airspeed.

High power take off, taxing, and landing roll.

[javelina1]

The German WWII warbirds have a simpler engine management, vs the Allies. In either case, I love 'em all.

 

 

 

For flight, the 109 is great. As noted, regarding the rudder. On the takeoff roll you'll need to give her a bit of rudder until the speed pics up. Other than that, the 109 is my favorite DCS WWII bird. (Until "Whistling Death" comes out). :-)

[Surrexen]

The tricky bit is no rudder trim, but it is a superb plane :)

[Art-J]

After physics changes of summer 2018 (lateral tyre grip) it's the most bitchy warbird to control during takeoff and landing roll, because of poor effectiveness of tailwheel lock and rudder. Makes the plane more demanding and challenging, though, and that can be considered a plus.

 

Yes, tutorials are voiced-over.

[MAD-MM]

From standpoint of Flying Quality how can the 109 easier to handle like Spitfire?

Requieres constant Input do the large Torque of the Engine, special in low Speed Handling have constant pitch up or down Movement do his aft Center of Gravity.

From Flying standpoint P-51 und Spitfire is much easier to Handle.

[jfri]

From standpoint of Flying Quality how can the 109 easier to handle like Spitfire?

Requieres constant Input do the large Torque of the Engine, special in low Speed Handling have constant pitch up or down Movement do his aft Center of Gravity.

From Flying standpoint P-51 and Spitfire is much easier to Handle.

 

 

So I get contradictory answers to my question. Reason for my question is that I am somewhat concerned that I buy a plane I will not fly since it is to difficult.

The two planes I have mentioned I have this impression

P51 Mustang not trivial to fly but was still possible to learn. Some fighting difficult like bombs.

Spitfire clearly more difficult to fly than the P51. Many take off fails and I most landings.

 

A plane more difficult to fly than the Spitfire is off no interest for me.

[grafspee]

So I get contradictory answers to my question. Reason for my question is that I am somewhat concerned that I buy a plane I will not fly since it is to difficult.

The two planes I have mentioned I have this impression

P51 Mustang not trivial to fly but was still possible to learn. Some fighting difficult like bombs.

Spitfire clearly more difficult to fly than the P51. Many take off fails and I most landings.

 

A plane more difficult to fly than the Spitfire is off no interest for me.

 

If that is a case stay away from bf109 and fw190 d9 you will have hard time doing t/o in those.

What kind of setup are you using, any rudder pedals ? those are very needed in ww2 planes.

But for me bf109 and fw190 are super easy planes now :)

Edited October 29, 2019 by grafspee

[jfri]

If that is a case stay away from bf109 and fw190 d9 you will have hard time doing t/o in those.

What kind of setup are you using, any rudder pedals ? those are very needed in ww2 planes.

But for me bf109 and fw190 are super easy planes now :)

 

 

I have CH Rudder pedals and TM Hotas warthog joystick and throttle.

How can they be super easy for you if they are so difficult to fly ?

[Reflected]

The 109 is the most needy plane in flight due to the large engine. It requires constant rudder input and adjustment. Engine management is easier than the Spit or the Mustang. Takeoffs can be a little tricky at first, but once you get the hang of it it's a great machine.

[jfri]

If that is a case stay away from bf109 and fw190 d9 :)

 

 

So would

Fw 190 A-8

 

be a better and more easy choice ?

[grafspee]

I have CH Rudder pedals and TM Hotas warthog joystick and throttle.

How can they be super easy for you if they are so difficult to fly ?

 

Hours of practice, i learned to 2 point land all war birds in DCS so far. Take offs are super easy even with strong crosswind. It took me many hours of practice .

[grafspee]

So would

Fw 190 A-8

 

be a better and more easy choice ?

 

I find this plane much easier to handle during t/o and landing then fw190 D9

[jfri]

I find this plane much easier to handle during t/o and landing then fw190 D9

 

 

Does it have voiced tutorials ?

[grafspee]

Does it have voiced tutorials ?

 

Honestly don't know i will check when i get home :)

[razo+r]

So I get contradictory answers to my question. Reason for my question is that I am somewhat concerned that I buy a plane I will not fly since it is to difficult.

The two planes I have mentioned I have this impression

P51 Mustang not trivial to fly but was still possible to learn. Some fighting difficult like bombs.

Spitfire clearly more difficult to fly than the P51. Many take off fails and I most landings.

 

A plane more difficult to fly than the Spitfire is off no interest for me.

 

I must say, I find the 109 easy to fly, really easy. It does not depart like the Spitfire and P-51 if you pull hard. Fw-190 will depart just like the allied ones. So in the 109, you don't really need to worry about this.

 

Take-off is actually also easy. You can lock your tail wheel, which makes it already roll pretty straight by it's own. Of course when you apply power, that changes, but can be compensated really easily. I used to make hundreds of take offs with full power and only having a twist joystick, never really had problems. Same goes for now with rudder pedals.

 

The 190 is kind of identical. Wide spread gear minimize the risk of tipping over. It also has a tailwheel lock, which simplifies take-offs even further, compared to a Spitfire. Engine management is a bit "harder", since you got outlet cowlings that you need to control yourself. 109 is all automized in that part.

[MAD-MM]

Fw-190 4G max lift 1,35 vs P-51 4,5G and lift 1,8 is the same

Would stay with Spitfire, from the Flying Qualitys have slowest Stall Speed no Aileron Stick Forces good Handling overall.

Appart from the Take Off Handling the Spit have overall the best Flying Qualitys.

The A8 the slowest Climb Speed of all WW2 Fighters, as beginner you have no Fun at all to Fight..

[LeCuvier]

...A plane more difficult to fly than the Spitfire is off no interest for me.

The 109 is a bit challenging, and that makes it fun to fly. If you don't like this kind of challenge, better fly jets!

In my mind however, the only warbird that's difficult to handle is the I-16. And even so, I get a lot of fun from flying it.

[grafspee]

The 109 is a bit challenging, and that makes it fun to fly. If you don't like this kind of challenge, better fly jets!

In my mind however, the only warbird that's difficult to handle is the I-16. And even so, I get a lot of fun from flying it.

 

I-16 is hard on the ground, but super easy in air.

[golani79]

The 109 might not be the easiest to handle but overall it is a real nice warbird - I am sure if you put some dedication and practice into it you will like her.

 

 

The allied planes I find much more comfortable / luxurious when it comes to flying.

[grafspee]

It will be hard to get consistent answer here lol.

By all of them, and share which you like more :)

[Ala13_ManOWar]

Easier engine management than allied, tougher ground handling but not that much when tamed. Good flight characteristics (better raw performance), but lacking some refinements compared to P-51. Overall tougher IMO but not that much, specially if you already have flown P-51 and Spit. Don't let a few people's opinions scare you, it's a good aircraft.

 

S!

[jfri]

Easier engine management than allied, tougher ground handling but not that much when tamed. Good flight characteristics (better raw performance), but lacking some refinements compared to P-51. Overall tougher IMO but not that much, specially if you already have flown P-51 and Spit. Don't let a few people's opinions scare you, it's a good aircraft.

 

S!

 

 

I think I should clarify some things. I am prepared for and willing to accept that it can be difficult to some extent. But if I would need unreasonable time to learn it then it is a problem.

For example I have the UH 1H Huey and I got stuck on the basic task of just hoovering above the ground.

With the spitfire I think the main problem is that wheels are so close together that it is difficult to avoid the plane tipping at one side. Which makes take off and landing difficult.

And yes I think the 109 can be good. Voiced tutorials and I see it has a campaign.

[grafspee]

Easier engine management than allied, tougher ground handling but not that much when tamed. Good flight characteristics (better raw performance), but lacking some refinements compared to P-51. Overall tougher IMO but not that much, specially if you already have flown P-51 and Spit. Don't let a few people's opinions scare you, it's a good aircraft.

 

S!

 

Easier engine management i can agree but ground handling no way :) P-51 is Sunday driving compare to bf 109 on ground.