F4 PHANTOM

[upyr1]

6 minutes ago, Harlikwin said:

Yup. I think at a minimum you need a USAF one and Naval one. TBH they are different enough to be their own "module" so it will be interesting what actually comes of the "mystery" announcement. The E or various versions of it were the most prolific, but given the whole naval focus of HB and their ties/access to that community, it may likley be a naval one comes first. 

If I had my way with the Phantom here is what my module line up would look like.

Module 1 -B, C and D. The B and C were the closest. The D was an upgraded C so I believe the flight model is basically the same but the avionics differ.  The C would have to be a Bolo bird, though if Eagle does some EW improvements the EF-4C would be great too. The EF-4C used the same EW gear as the F-105G  I'm not sure what D variant(s) to do but there would need to be a Combat Tree Phantom. 

Module 2- Long nosed. This would be the E, F and possibly the G. There would need to be one early hard winged bird, a linebacker slatted wing bird and a 1980s F-4E. The G would obviously need to depict the Phantom in Desert Storm.  I might even go for a Phantom 2K or terminator type upgrade provided everything else is covered.  

Module 3- Royal Phantoms 

module 4 Navy Phantoms- J, N and S at least one of the VTAS birds 

[divinee]

29 minutes ago, upyr1 said:

No, I don't think it would be possible to represent the F-4 with one model. The bare minimum would be two, if you wanted to the least amount of work those would be the B and C which from my understanding were basically twins except for the controls in back. The J and E would IMHO be the defitinve versions though I would also like the gunless USAF phantoms. So as I keep saying instead of arguing about which would be the best single model it would be better to answer the question how many Phantoms would you be willing to buy?

 

 

Yeah i completely agree that we really need more than one model. I would buy all, any day

[Harlikwin]

1 minute ago, upyr1 said:

If I had my way with the Phantom here is what my module line up would look like.

Module 1 -B, C and D. The B and C were the closest. The D was an upgraded C so I believe the flight model is basically the same but the avionics differ.  The C would have to be a Bolo bird, though if Eagle does some EW improvements the EF-4C would be great too. The EF-4C used the same EW gear as the F-105G  I'm not sure what D variant(s) to do but there would need to be a Combat Tree Phantom. 

Module 2- Long nosed. This would be the E, F and possibly the G. There would need to be one early hard winged bird, a linebacker slatted wing bird and a 1980s F-4E. The G would obviously need to depict the Phantom in Desert Storm.  I might even go for a Phantom 2K or terminator type upgrade provided everything else is covered.  

Module 3- Royal Phantoms 

module 4 Navy Phantoms- J, N and S at least one of the VTAS birds 

Yeah I think its gonna be a loong time before that happens.

Esp the Royal phantoms, good luck getting anything out of the MOD. 

Personally a 70's era E and J would be fine. Maybe even an 80's E if it can be "nerfed" enough to more relevant as a 70's bird. 

Mainly I think you want to cover the "high points" of the phantoms carrer i.e. the 60's and 70's IMO. With maybe some 80's era bombing capability. 

 

[upyr1]

3 minutes ago, divinee said:

Yeah i completely agree that we really need more than one model. I would buy all, any day

18 minutes ago, Nexus-6 said:

All of 'em. 

You can tell from my profile pic any Phantom will be an insta buy

[upyr1]

5 minutes ago, Harlikwin said:

Yeah I think its gonna be a loong time before that happens.

Esp the Royal phantoms, good luck getting anything out of the MOD. 

Personally a 70's era E and J would be fine. Maybe even an 80's E if it can be "nerfed" enough to more relevant as a 70's bird. 

Mainly I think you want to cover the "high points" of the phantoms carrer i.e. the 60's and 70's IMO. With maybe some 80's era bombing capability. 

 

It would take a while, but there have also been Phantom rumors floating around for a while too. I think the main focus should be the Linebacker era

[MAXsenna]

59 minutes ago, upyr1 said:

As I keep stating the minimum number of Phantoms would be two one USAF and one Naval. The two reamining questions are which versions and hypothetically if the mystery team producing the Phantom released a bunch of F-4 modules just to cover as many variants as possible how many would you buy and which ones? I expect to see multiple models It's hard for me to decide which ones I would do. 

All of them of course!  

[Nexus-6]

3 hours ago, upyr1 said:

You can tell from my profile pic any Phantom will be an insta buy

I too, have wanted an F-4 in DCS for a long time now, and am honestly baffled by the fact that ED didn't add one years ago.  It's such an iconic part of military aviation that one would think it would have been a self-evident choice.

 

As far as exactly which is on the way...Well, I'll be happy with whatever it turns out to be, but very disappointed if we're left with no expectations of more in the future.  I would likewise hope that our pleas about the breadth of Phantom service reach the people who make these decisions.  It seems to be a unanimous (or, at least, a popular) position.

[Kev2go]

i hope its the F4E.  Besides a F4E block 53 was what belsimtek was working on before that project got put on pause.

Better to do that ( even if you start 3d and system modelling) from scratch because of documentation research being already done, and SME they would have already been in contact with, are available.

 

 

 

 

[Mike Force Team]

And now to start saving my pennies in my virtual piggy bank so I can buy the F-4s, if they are eventually made.  No fun waiting for the F-4, especially when many people have asked for it.

[upyr1]

18 hours ago, Kev2go said:

i hope its the F4E.  Besides a F4E block 53 was what belsimtek was working on before that project got put on pause.

Better to do that ( even if you start 3d and system modelling) from scratch because of documentation research being already done, and SME they would have already been in contact with, are available.

 

 

 

 

What other F-4 variants would you hope to see and would you buy? I believe Nick Grey has said he wanted to see as many Phantoms as possible. 

Edited January 14, 2022 by upyr1

[Kev2go]

55 minutes ago, upyr1 said:

What other F-4 variants would you hope to see and would you buy? I believe Nick Grey has said he wanted to see as many Phantoms as possible. 

 

 

After an F4E block 53?  Maybe a F4J and/or F4S phantom ( besides being a naval version has a PD radar)  but otherwise thats it.

 

[G.J.S]

On 1/14/2022 at 6:34 PM, upyr1 said:

What other F-4 variants would you hope to see and would you buy? I believe Nick Grey has said he wanted to see as many Phantoms as possible. 

 

An ‘E’ is good - has a long history, and was successful commercially, historical ‘B’ & ‘C’, the ‘G’ would be the cream.

But an ‘J’ and ‘S’ would be sublime, and can only hope for an FGR2 - very different innards but certainly one that gave many opponents that cold ammonia stab to the heart. *loving sigh  

[Kev2go]

welp its official

 

 

[Zpigman]

[Northstar98]

I'm trying to hold in a scream

Edited January 25, 2022 by Northstar98

[Tom Kazansky]

3 minutes ago, Northstar98 said:

I'm trying to hold in a scream

 

+1

[TLTeo]

3 minutes ago, Northstar98 said:

I'm trying to hold in a scream

 

I tried and failed. Except it was more of a schoolgirl squeak, think Beatles Mania circa 1964.

[potatoman530]

I wonder if they just picked up the project from the former Blisteck. Because they were also developing an F-4E and had a decent amount of progress done before they merged with ED and I imagine they would not want all that work to go to waste.   

[Kilo]

AW YISS!

[The_Chugster]

1 hour ago, Zpigman said:

I hope this mean models from different services, such as US and UK Navies, Luftwaffe and Middle East variants. Not just the C and D coz they are also USAF

 

I also wonder how hard is it to make different versions of one plane...how similar are these planes in terms of DCS?

Edited January 25, 2022 by The_Chugster

[schurem]

PHUCK YEA!!!!

[Exorcet]

Committing to more than one version is the right move. Even if they are sold separately, they will be worth purchasing if they're anywhere near Tomcat quality. Heatblur really likes setting the standard.

[The_Chugster]

OK so which of all the current modules would be the best to learn to prepare for the various systems on the F-4?

Edited January 25, 2022 by The_Chugster

[Kev2go]

 

[upyr1]

2 hours ago, Zpigman said:

I heard there were plans for F-4 everything.  In another post from HB it looks like we are getting both a linebacker E and a 1980s E. 

 

Edited January 25, 2022 by upyr1