Petition to get ED to make the F/A-18D

[Hammer1-1]

2 hours ago, Furiz said:

 

I just gave you a very good argument why we shouldn't have a 2 seat variant of a plane we already have in DCS and all you do is you insult me.

 

If you can express your opinion on the forum so can I, that's why forums are here, if you don't want to see other peoples opinions don't come to forums and don't do petitions, that way you wont see the lack of interest for 2 seat F-18.

I don't know about the community after LOMAC but judging by the responses on your petition, that community is gone.

 

I'm just being realistic.

Your reason was good enough for the USMC and every other operator in the world who flies the F-18D to go back to a single seater? Guess you never told them, huh? So you know, the guy who made the petition WAS a backseater in a growler; its theads like this and the responses in it that make me really wonder why he doesnt participate here anymore.  Ill let him know how its going.

Edited June 25, 2021 by Hammer1-1

[Furiz]

On 6/26/2021 at 1:18 AM, Hammer1-1 said:

Your reason was good enough for the USMC and every other operator in the world who flies the F-18D to go back to a single seater?

 

 

LOL, some people...

 

USAF or USMC or US NAVY, of any other air force in the world, is buying their planes according to their needs.

For example, in the US Viper can not use Harpoons but in Greece it can use Harpoons, it is because US has tons of other means to do the job, why pay for Viper Harpoon upgrade when Hornets can deliver.

 

Our airforce in DCS, has much greater need for other moderns multi role fighters than a 2 seat horned with copy paste cockpit.

Edited July 8, 2021 by Furiz

[cfrag]

On 6/24/2021 at 3:39 AM, Hammer1-1 said:

Several pilots on my squadron have started this petition in the hopes of getting ED to make an F-18D Hornet. This is just a petition, not an angry rant so please keep it civil, ladies.

https://www.change.org/DCSFA18DHORNET

 

 

IMHO, a petition to get a company to risk their (workforce's) future on a preference will not go far. Provide something with heft, something that will make them notice: Start a funding campaign, get 500k USD together, and you'll have a shot at it. Anything else will be (most likely) dismissed as daydreaming. Especially considering that developing a "D" variant requires another "Jestr" or "Petr" (if to be played single player), or require MP - which (to my deep anguish) is a far too small minority to have any impact.  Let's put some heft behind this. Heck, I'd even be willing to chip in with 20 USD of my own.

Edited June 26, 2021 by cfrag

[BIGNEWY]

Love to see the passion, but we have no plans for the D sorry. 

[Hammer1-1]

7 hours ago, Furiz said:

 

LOL, some people...

 

USAF or USMC or US NAVY, of any other air force in the world, is buying their planes according to their needs.

For example, in the US Viper can not use Harpoons but in Greece it can use Harpoons, it is because US has tons of other means to do the job, why pay for Viper Harpoon upgrade when Hornets can deliver.

 

Our airforce in DCS, has much greater need for other moderns multi role fighters than a 2 seat horned with copy paste cockpit.

 

I think I'm done with this thread, good luck.

 

Bye.

[Wizard_03]

10 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

Love to see the passion, but we have no plans for the D sorry. 

Uh any Rhino Taming plans over there????

Edited June 26, 2021 by Wizard_03

[Hammer1-1]

You want Rhino love, you gotta go VRS.

[Willie Nelson]

Is is possible for someone to do a mod that adds a back seat to the current C model or is that facility not available with the Hornet. 
 

Personally, I’d love to see the D model because 1) it would be great to take someone for a ride and speed up the learning process substantially. And 2) Because the D model looks awesome! 

[Tank50us]

1 hour ago, Willie Nelson said:

Is is possible for someone to do a mod that adds a back seat to the current C model or is that facility not available with the Hornet. 
 

Personally, I’d love to see the D model because 1) it would be great to take someone for a ride and speed up the learning process substantially. And 2) Because the D model looks awesome! 

 

They'd have to rebuild the entire aircraft model from scratch as ED locked down the Hornet after the Super Bug fiasco.

[Rongor]

Rather petition the russian government lawmakers to allow a return of the Crimea map...

Edited July 6, 2021 by Rongor

[Willie Nelson]

15 minutes ago, Tank50us said:

 

They'd have to rebuild the entire aircraft model from scratch as ED locked down the Hornet after the Super Bug fiasco.

 

Interesting, what was the Super Bug Fiasco, was that something to do with another platform?

[Silver_Dragon]

1 minute ago, Willie Nelson said:

 

Interesting, what was the Super Bug Fiasco, was that something to do with another platform?

 

On 6/26/2021 at 10:05 PM, Wizard_03 said:

Uh any Rhino Taming plans over there????

 

 

None 3rd Party has plans to make a Super Hornet. None "Super Bug Fiasco".

[Tank50us]

9 minutes ago, Willie Nelson said:

 

Interesting, what was the Super Bug Fiasco, was that something to do with another platform?

 

After the Super Bug mod went out, the Devs were alerted that the team has basically ripped off a bunch of the assets in DCS, specifically the cockpit systems and EFM, in order to make their mod work. This resulted in ED locking the Hornet down so that it couldn't be used for such a purpose again. What most teams that make complext cockpit models tend to do is just do all the coding themselves to make things work as advertised, even if it's just some fairly basic functionality. They also tend to use one of the FC3 planes as a base, or use the Su25T, as the FC3 planes still have decent flight models that can be tweaked as needed. Furthermore, where most mods just have you install a directory folder into the mods folder (for example the Super Herc has it's own folder that just gets placed in the mods folder), the Super Bug mod required that you replace the actual hornet in DCS with this mod.

 

Basically all they did was a reskin of the legacy hornet instead of a proper mod that could've had its own EFM and functionalities.

[Willie Nelson]

22 hours ago, Tank50us said:

 

After the Super Bug mod went out, the Devs were alerted that the team has basically ripped off a bunch of the assets in DCS, specifically the cockpit systems and EFM, in order to make their mod work. This resulted in ED locking the Hornet down so that it couldn't be used for such a purpose again. What most teams that make complext cockpit models tend to do is just do all the coding themselves to make things work as advertised, even if it's just some fairly basic functionality. They also tend to use one of the FC3 planes as a base, or use the Su25T, as the FC3 planes still have decent flight models that can be tweaked as needed. Furthermore, where most mods just have you install a directory folder into the mods folder (for example the Super Herc has it's own folder that just gets placed in the mods folder), the Super Bug mod required that you replace the actual hornet in DCS with this mod.

 

Basically all they did was a reskin of the legacy hornet instead of a proper mod that could've had its own EFM and functionalities.

 

Wow, so if you got the Super Hornet for some eye candy, you couldn’t fly the legacy Hornet? That sounds like a fairly counterproductive exercise. 

[jwflowersii]

On 6/26/2021 at 2:12 AM, BIGNEWY said:

Love to see the passion, but we have no plans for the D sorry. 

I would love to see a D model as well.  Electronic Warfare is a big aspect of modern warfare.  I know a lot of it is still special sauce, but it would be a great addition.  For me even a simulated AWACS workstation would be fun.  Also, a dual seat trainer would really make training new pilots in our squadron a heck of a lot easier.  

[M1Combat]

I'd love to see it...  BUT...

 

We're going to need a petition to declassify the thing (all of it) first yes?

[Hammer1-1]

6 hours ago, M1Combat said:

I'd love to see it...  BUT...

 

We're going to need a petition to declassify the thing (all of it) first yes?

Why would it be? Its pretty much the same package as the Blk 20 we have now. Only difference would be a backseater and the fuel quantity adjusted to the actual aircraft. Theres really not much difference between the two system wise or flight model wise.

[FSX737200]

Would be amazing to have and have a backseat so 2 can use it

 

[Furiz]

No, it wouldn't.

[Northstar98]

7 minutes ago, Furiz said:

No, it wouldn't.

 

I don't see why not...

[Furiz]

15 minutes ago, Northstar98 said:

 

I don't see why not...

 

It would be much better if they focus on something else, like SAM systems, Ship dmg models, ATC, EU or Redfor modern jet etc... rather than spending time to make another version of a jet we already have.

[26-J39]

I want a 4 seater.   Dont ask why.

[Northstar98]

12 minutes ago, Furiz said:

It would be much better if they focus on something else, like SAM systems, Ship dmg models, ATC, EU or Redfor modern jet etc... rather than spending time to make another version of a jet we already have.

 

SAM systems relies on a whole load of things being improved, not only IADS implementation, but also sensor modelling, AI etc - hardly any would be taken away by doing an F/A-18D.

 

Ship damage models and damage models in general are something that needs doing regardless to basically everything but a small handful of WWII warbirds (though graphical representation of damage still isn't there yet IMO, though that's slated for improvement).

 

Though with ground vehicle and ship damage models, it's only half the story - you also need to improve the weapon modelling (i.e actually simulating different warhead types, as well as fragmentation).

 

I don't see how doing an F/A-18D would have any effect whatsoever on ATC development.

 

Good luck doing any modern REDFOR jet at all and the only modern EU jet we're going to get in the future is the Typhoon of an unknown, but likely early variant. Dassault are notorious about their aircraft, especially modern ones (and it's only direct involvement with the AdA that lead to the successive improvements in the Mirage 2000C). Heatblur seemed to be interested in doing a JAS-39A or early C, but it used systems on the older JA 37 Mod. D and even that was classified. 

 

Edited July 8, 2021 by Northstar98

[Furiz]

58 minutes ago, 26-J39 said:

I want a 4 seater.   Dont ask why.

 

The family model;D

[M1Combat]

"not much difference between the two system wise or flight model wise."

 

Ehh...

 

OK Now I see where you're coming from...  Thanks for clarifying.

 

Also LOL.