Head in cockpit with VR

[StankFaust]

Hello,

I am new to the game and the site and have an older rift headset that I am using with the game.  

 

The first thing I noticed is that there is no cockpit limit to head movement.  Meaning I can stick my head outside the glass.  The sound gets louder and everything. If I stand up, Im literally standing in the cockpit. It's cool and stuff, but not realisitic.

 

Is there a way to restrict or limit head movement in game so that it doesnt push past the 3d modeling of the aircraft' cockpit?  my head will even go through the seat bakck behind me when looking around. 

 

it's an effect that breaks the immersion

 

thanks for the help and sorry if this has been covered before.

[Leader98]

A virtual boundary wil break the immersion even more than the possibility to stick your head outside the cockpit.
You can limit your head movement physically by limiting your movement like the glass of the cockpit would do but this will involve some DIY.

[Hartsblade]

The team is looking into it.

 

 

[dburne]

There is a very easy way to limit your head movement to the cockpit.

Just don't move it outside of it. I don't know about others, but I would have to make a real concerted effort to stick my head  outside the cockpit.

So I never find myself - with my head outside the cockpit.

 

[Burt]

Same here Don, it takes a lot of movement but I do like popping the F18 hornet canopy off when dogfighting sometimes and the sounds when merging and the other  jet sounds are really cool.

 

[eaglecash867]

I've said it many times, but for me this is a non-issue.  I just treat it like I'm in a real cockpit, where I can honestly say I've never had the desire to press my head against a canopy or window in flight.  It hurts and leaves a smudge.  

[Ala12Rv-Tundra]

if you are moving and then the 3D view stops because it reaches the hard canopy, it´s motion sickness big time. That´s why it´s not an easy solution.

[dburne]

Typically the people that want this for VR players are Track IR users that have insta-snap views to check six.

[=475FG= Dawger]

11 minutes ago, dburne said:

Typically the people that want this for VR players are Track IR users that have insta-snap views to check six.

Yes. And they seem to have organized themselves into a roving band of Karens intent on spoiling DCS for VR. 

Edited August 25, 2021 by =475FG= Dawger

[Burt]

Cockpit limitations really makes no sense to me. Realistically are they gonna make a stopping point and a knock sound ? I’d say move on to bigger and better things. It’s good as is.

Edited August 25, 2021 by Burt

[lax22]

I have about 1000 hours in DCS VR and haven't managed to stick my head outside the cockpit by accident once.

DCS in VR still has several issues that need fixing but I don't think this is one of them...

[streakeagle]

I don't know what aircraft you guys are flying or where you calibrate your head to be at in VR. I try to line up my head and shoulders with the VR pilot. Many of the aircraft I fly have canopies that are close to the pilot's head. If you move your head much at all, you go through the glass. The aircraft that are the worst for this are the ones that look like they have bubble canopies, but between the seat and the small canopy, there isn't much room to look behind you. I don't use any kind of check 6 cheats. I physically strain to look over my shoulder from one side to the other while scissoring to shake an opponent. I sit in a mock up of an F-4 ejection seat. The most annoying aspect of going through the glass is the sound.

 

I fly other air combat sims, and in those sims I cannot go through the glass and I don't get motion sickness. So, my suggestion is for DCS to implement optional constraints similar to competitor's sims. Key word optional: if you don't like it don't use it. I prefer head constraints. Most TrackIR games had head constraints. You could only move you head so much no matter how far you physically moved your head. You could not use TrackIR to stick your head through the glass to look behind you. Right now, the MiG-15 essentially has as good a visibility out o f its cockpit as the F-86 in VR, because there is nothing keeping you from turning around and looking straight back even though the real cockpit didn't have the room to do this. For the sake of fairness/realism in multiplayer it would be worth it to limit head movement in VR. 

Edited August 25, 2021 by streakeagle

[Nodak]

And when they eventually do come around to imposing limits your probably not going to be able to see the extremes on your side panels no more, nor much of the hidden switches either.  Say goodbye to easy engine starts, or relatively pain free emergency procedures in some of the jets.  In the C-101 the pedals adjustment is nearly impossible as it is, and you can't advance some of the missions without adjusting them.

 

F-10 is your friend, place your head where you think it physically should be, press it, than relax and return your body to your standard comfortable position, hit the recenter VR command, done.  If your on a wheeled chair that swivels, even with limits your still going to suffer issues, this won't be the fix you think its going to be.

[lobo]

18 hours ago, =475FG= Dawger said:

Yes. And they seem to have organized themselves into a roving band of Karens intent on spoiling DCS for VR. 

 

I hear there's a new squad looking for members. The "Roving Karens".

 

Karen it's not a name. It's a rank you earn...

 

 

[Taterbootz]

I use VRNECKSAFER so I don't have that issue.  You can make it as much or as little help as you want, but its the only way to play VR IMO, especially with the lack of FOV and peripheral vision compared to normal eyesight.   

 

 

But I have stuck my head out of the cockpit on accident leaning too far, so I just...don't do that...

[draconus]

On 8/25/2021 at 5:02 PM, dburne said:

I would have to make a real concerted effort to stick my head  outside the cockpit

Very easy, just flew last night in Su-25 and looked at the ground target passing by. It's natural.

Edited September 3, 2021 by draconus

[mrwell]

Don't be lazy. Proper pilots bank their aircraft to look to a target below. That is natural! ;)

[draconus]

Very smart - can we now remove performance hogging collision models from trees, buildings, mountains and any ground other than runway or a boat since real pilots should not touch them?

[Lt_Jaeger]

Hmmm, I was able to pull back my head in the same situation with ease.

With the first sign of clipping stop what you do and move in the exact opposite direction 

Edited September 3, 2021 by Lt_Jaeger

[mrwell]

Very smart - can we now remove performance hogging collision models from trees, buildings, mountains and any ground other than runway or a boat since real pilots should not touch them?

Completely different issue.
In my game I hit trees sometimes. You don't?
Even though I try not to bank 90° when I can touch something. You do?

[draconus]

5 hours ago, mrwell said:

Completely different issue.

Not for realistic sim.

[Goblin]

This is a tricky problem… Yes, moving your head outside the virtual canopy is unrealistic. Stopping the virtual head without stopping the physical head feels unrealistic. I did not like that feature in that other sim..! Thankfully they allowed the user to turn it off.

I actually use a harness in my simulator seat. That adds to the immersion and restricts your movement some, making it harder to put your head through the canopy.

Maybe if ED added virtual limits that are slightly generous, so you can move just outside the canopy, but not too far. That way nobody could cheat and we who try to stop by ourselves won’t feel restricted.