Falconeer Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 2 hours ago, BIGNEWY said: I will add here also - The viper is likely to take a fuel leak when damaged due to the positioning of the fuel tanks. Hitting the front part of the fuselage creates leakage in F1 fuel tank, centre part - F2 and FWD tanks, aft part - A1 and AFT tanks. Hitting the wing adds leakage to wing tank. Wing tank damage will mean a higher rate of fuel loss, partial damage to fuselage will be a reduced leak, however if a component is totally destroyed leaks will be significant. If you have public information about fuel tanks and fuel leaks on our viper that you may think is relevant feel free to PM me. What's your definition of "front part of the fuselage" ? The F1 tank is actually not that big and sits between the cockpit and ammo drum. It would be very difficult to hit a damage it 1 Planes: Choppers: Maps: Flaming Cliffs 3 Black Shark 2 Syria A-10C Tank killer 2 Black Shark 3 Persian Gulf F/A18C Hornet AH-64 Apache Mariana's F-16C Viper F-15E Strike Eagle Mirage 2000C AJS-37 Viggen JF-17 Thunder F-14 Tomcat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhayvn Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 I know there was a thread that was closed previously. That thread is half a year old and ANY fuselage damage results in complete fuel loss at the same rapid rate no matter where or how major/minor the damage is. You stated that fuel leaks are likely when the fuselage is damaged, fine. But, having EVERY hit, no matter how minor, to the fuselage cause catastrophic, rapid, leaking from all tanks, with no way to preserve any fuel, is ridiculous. Please give us an update on this or let us know we have to live with a single 7.62 to the left side of the intake being the same end result as a direct missile hit. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshine Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 This. absolutely ridiculous as it is now. Like a paper plane. I understand it isnt as robust as the a-10 but please.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swartbyron Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 Losing fuel in any aircraft after taking rounds is very likely but not a certainty. In the DCS F-16 its guaranteed every time. What frustrating is how fast you lose the fuel! As Ive said before, losing all 7100Lbs in 1:40 seconds every time you take a hit seems a bit extreme. Dose the F-16 not have self sealing tanks? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knock-Knock Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 AAR from a drogue is what, 50-60 lbs per second, so the F-16 currently looses fuel faster than we can refuel from a drogue, with pressure. 2 - Jack of many DCS modules, master of none. - Personal wishlist: F-15A, F-4S Phantom II, JAS 39A Gripen, SAAB 35 Draken, F-104 Starfighter, Panavia Tornado IDS. | Windows 11 | i5-12400 | 64Gb DDR4 | RTX 3080 | 2x M.2 | 27" 1440p | Rift CV1 | Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS | MFG Crosswind pedals | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linx Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 Also the extent of the damage plays no part on the speed of the fuel loss. A rifle hit will result in the same speed of fuel loss as a 10mm cannon hit. This needs a rework. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted December 3, 2022 ED Team Share Posted December 3, 2022 this is already reported however the viper tanks are more vulnerable then other aircraft 1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeAngus Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 with all the fuel you lose when getting hit with even the smallest caliber arms got me thinking. dont all modern day fighter aircraft have self sealing fuel tanks? self sealing tanks have been around since ww2. i dont have any documentation of this but i though i would post this and see what the community can come up with. i did notice that i got hit the other day and only lost fuel in only one side of the fuel system, that is more better than losing it all with in a blink of an eye. so thank you ed for that much appreciated! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted January 7, 2023 ED Team Share Posted January 7, 2023 Merged with the report we have, if you have public evidence please PM me thank you Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michal Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 nullfuel leak.trk One hit to the right wing with small cal. still causes total loss of fuel! 1. FUEL QTY SEL knob out of NORM should stops automatic forward fuel transfer (A/B man, 3-123) 2. Viper has self-sealing tanks 3. even a big hole in FW/Right fuel system can't empty every drop of gas so quickly 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VarZat Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) Id say this is the biggest issue with the viper currently. I will do some reading and see if i can something that might count as evidence. Edited January 10, 2023 by VarZat 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshine Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) the tank lining should seal even a 20mm hit that passes straight through the tank leaving an entry and exit hole (lets say AP ammo, not APHE). currently even 7.62mm creates faster fuel loss than a boom tanker could fill up using pressure to get fuel in fast.. funny how thats still an issue needing evidence after about a year. i can not imagine the fuel loss from such a hole to be faster than a refuelling boom tankers fuel transfer speed. Not to mention that the tank is not just a simple bucket but has internal segments that would limit the complete loss of fuel due to damage to one cell. you also lose all fuel if an external tank takes a hole until you figure it out and jettison it. wonder how that works i get that the viper can not withstand the same amount of damage as a A-10 and thus is more fragile than other airframes. but still it isnt made out of cardboard or paper Edited January 10, 2023 by Moonshine 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted January 10, 2023 ED Team Share Posted January 10, 2023 It was more than one hit, and it was not small calibre 12.7mm rounds and the fuselage is shredded. Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michal Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I am affraid, that you are wrong. It was one hit. You can see it at 8:00:21. I tried this scenario many times with different enemies with same result. BTW "Shredded" texture has no connection to impacts location. Another bug? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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janitha2 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, BIGNEWY said: It was more than one hit, and it was not small calibre 12.7mm rounds and the fuselage is shredded. Fix the damage model also then. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshine Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 okay in all fairness it was 2 hits. (12.7mm x2). still veeeery far from "shredded" and even further away from how this fuselage looks 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linx Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) Such damage to the wing should not empty the whole fuel tank. It is quite obvious that F-16 uses a simplified damage modeling that does not belong in a simulator. Edited January 10, 2023 by Linx 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michal Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Even much bigger damage to one wing (I mean wing off) should end with half fuel capacity Pilot can close connection between FW/right and AFT/left tanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LieutenantFalcon Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Michal said: Even much bigger damage to one wing (I mean wing off) should end with half fuel capacity Pilot can close connection between FW/right and AFT/left tanks. This behavior is a thing, but still exaggerated. Only anecdotal, but: a few days ago I had an issue where due to server lag a taxiing jet clipped into me very momentarily, and the only damage decals I had from it was on the tip of the left wing not even reaching Store 8 and it lead to rapid fuel loss of the left wing tank and left internal wing tank. Total fuel dropped to abt 8.9k lbs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VarZat Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 58 minutes ago, LieutenantFalcon said: This behavior is a thing, but still exaggerated. Only anecdotal, but: a few days ago I had an issue where due to server lag a taxiing jet clipped into me very momentarily, and the only damage decals I had from it was on the tip of the left wing not even reaching Store 8 and it lead to rapid fuel loss of the left wing tank and left internal wing tank. Total fuel dropped to abt 8.9k lbs. Yeah without me having a track of this or anything i have experienced someone driving into someone else on a taxi way like 20m away and losing all my fuel from the explosion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted January 10, 2023 ED Team Share Posted January 10, 2023 This is reported, so closing, thanks all. 1 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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