its like a brightness knob controlled by my head

[nighteyes2017]

Flying in persian gulf, this new effect i'm seeing is very annoying.

When turning my head, i can see the world itself around me dimming in brightness levels. Like i said in the title, is like a live brightness knob. It feels very unnatural. When looking at some mountains at 2 o'clock, i can see the mountains dimming in brightness while turning my head to the right.

 

 

Edited October 30, 2022 by nighteyes2017

[01G8R]

Same here.  Noticed it on Syria.

[EcosseFlyer]

I think its trying to simulate the bloom effect of looking at a brighter light from a darkened area, and the way the pupils react after being wide open for the dark area - in this example the cockpit.

Edited October 31, 2022 by EcosseFlyer

[Swamp Fox Loader]

Yep, I'm seeing it too.  +1

[Dogmanbird]

oh no!

This irks me in MSFS and was so glad we didn't have it dcs. I hope they allow us to turn it off and give us back the dynamic range we had before.

[St4rgun]

I think without HDR HMDs this method is the best we can get for simulating the eye accomodation to different light intensities.

If the devs can make it as an option to switch off for the ones who don't like it then great, I personally prefer it as it is now.

[Dogmanbird]

Unfortunately there's now high contrast and blown out highlights even in heavily overcast conditions where it wouldn't normally occur. It seems to be tracking the sun and applying it regardless of the cloud cover

[Zafix]

I see that too

[draconus]

This is annoying and unrealistic.

Edit: Got used to it. See my next post and explanation:

https://forum.dcs.world/topic/311446-its-like-a-brightness-knob-controlled-by-my-head/?do=findComment&comment=5207024

Edited April 28, 2023 by draconus

[Hiob]

Is it really the mountains or is it the canopy glass that becomes milky when looking from a more shallow angle. Because I noticed that in several modules, or probably in general, this angle dependend transparency seems to be more pronounced lately.

[Zafix]

Did anyone find a way to get rid of this. it's so annoying

[01G8R]

Not completely, but it seems much less noticeable for me after the latest update.

[draconus]

On 11/3/2022 at 2:08 PM, Hiob said:

...or is it the canopy glass that becomes milky when looking from a more shallow angle.

No, not that. It's also noticable in external views and in the cockpit it works backwards to the mentioned glass effect. When looking 90 degrees to the side - straight through the cockpit glass it seems more dark than looking through the same glass more forward in shallow angle. I bet it's part of the new tone mapping and exposure control.

Edit: Got used to it. See my next post and explanation:

https://forum.dcs.world/topic/311446-its-like-a-brightness-knob-controlled-by-my-head/?do=findComment&comment=5207024

Edited April 28, 2023 by draconus

[Hiob]

7 minutes ago, draconus said:

No, not that. It's also noticable in external views and in the cockpit it works backwards to the mentioned glass effect. When looking 90 degrees to the side - straight through the cockpit glass it seems more dark than looking through the same glass more forward in shallow angle. I bet it's part of the new tone mapping and exposure control.

Ok, was just an idea.

I haven’t noticed anything yet, but I‘ll watch for it.

[wowbagger]

It's not only VR, it's on pancake too.

This has to made optional. It's not how the brain perceives the world and is so very distracting.
Simply zooming your view makes the world change.

Edited November 20, 2022 by wowbagger

[Nealius]

Out of curiosity, what is everyone's graphics settings? I see a little bit of this in VR, but for me it's not much different than what I experience in real life when looking at something in the shadows, then looking back out to somewhere bright. That said I do have sensitive eyes so I'm probably an outlier. I don't experience the brightness change when zooming, though. 

[Art-J]

^ Nothing fancy, same as in 2.7 (mostly high prestet, shadows medium, secondary none, terrain flat), the only change I made was bumping gamma from my previously preferrred 1.9-2.0 to 2.2 as this is what the new tone mapping is allegedly supposed to work best with. Flat screen here, using Reshade, but only for SMAA, not for any colour changes.

The simulated pupils reaction to light depending on direction I look was there in 2.7 as well, but they really "went to eleven" with it in 2.8 and I'm not sure it works as intended in all circumstances now (zooming examlpe above). Oh well, gotta get used to it I guess and see if they intend to tweak it further for the next hotfix patches.

Edited November 21, 2022 by Art-J

[wowbagger]

I didn't change anything between 2.7 and 2.8. I think I actually reduced gamma to 2.0 because the world is so bright and washed out. 

There are two problems with the current lighting on PG.

1 - The view from the cockpit is massively over bright on everything out the window. Details get washed out and it's difficult to see things.

Here's the what the world is supposed to look like:

 

Here's what it looks like inside the cockpit:

2 - Then when you zoom in and out the brightness changes so much is destroys any sense of immersion.

 

Another example of the zoom effect.

 

Edited November 21, 2022 by wowbagger

[broderbund67]

I hope we can get an option to disable this effect.

[5ephir0th]

On 11/21/2022 at 12:14 PM, wowbagger said:

I didn't change anything between 2.7 and 2.8. I think I actually reduced gamma to 2.0 because the world is so bright and washed out. 

There are two problems with the current lighting on PG.

1 - The view from the cockpit is massively over bright on everything out the window. Details get washed out and it's difficult to see things.

Here's the what the world is supposed to look like:

 

Here's what it looks like inside the cockpit:

2 - Then when you zoom in and out the brightness changes so much is destroys any sense of immersion.

 

Another example of the zoom effect.

 

 

This.

From outside colors looks ok but from inside the cockpit it’s al way overexposes that is weird, that effect should be an option

[St4rgun]

After the last OB hotfix I made a full repair just to be sure (DCS Updater). Then I noticed that my graphics settings set to something default values, like the gamma "resets" to 1.8.

Is this 1.8 the new recommended value? Because previously the devs said that 2.2 is preferred, but in the last OB patches that value produced highly overexposed cockipts.

I'm using G2 in VR.

[St4rgun]

Dear @BIGNEWY, is this in-cockpit overexposure thing in VR being already reported in any form? It's obvious that as soon as big part of the view (like the bottom one) is "blocked" by the "dark" cockpit the game thinks it's time to increase the exposure level of the outside world, which makes really highly overexposed, washed out outside without contrast.

If using F2 external view - as the view is not "obstructed" partially by the dark canopy - the exposure returns to normal.

This is very annoying especially on desert maps. Can this be corrected in such a way, that the outside world can be exposed differently as the cockpit?

 

[Blackfyre]

It is not only in VR. It is the same on regular displays. And very annoying indeed. Track included.

DynamicExposure.trk

[St4rgun]

I hope that tuning of this feature will happen much sooner than the fine tuning of the clouds' aliasing...

[Sr.]

Same... only mine was trees at certain angles at night. It was like a negative image "shadow" of the trees, but they would shift with head movement.