Viper

[D.0.A.]

I listened to the Iron eagle soundtrack tonight. Is this the lord telling me to buy the f16 at full price?  Or is he telling me something else? As a decendant of hebrew people I don't believe god would ever tell me to do this. What should I do. I already have most of the modules

[D.0.A.]

Honestly how does it compare to the hornet? 

[sirrah]

2 hours ago, D.0.A. said:

Honestly how does it compare to the hornet? 

Welcome to the forum @D.0.A.

 

Well, both can do both AG and AA (with a slight variation in loadouts), but that's pretty much where the similarities stop. With main differences:

• Viper land based, Hornet allows for carrier OPS (obviously)
• Viper exceeds in speed/acceleration, Hornet exceeds in turn rate

 

About buying or not, it really has nothing to do with being religious or not. Here, let me make it easy for you :

• If you use your mind, you wait for the next sale (never really far away)
• If you let your heart speak and don't bother about the few extra $, you buy now

Edited January 12, 2023 by sirrah

[bukizzzz]

3 hours ago, D.0.A. said:

I listened to the Iron eagle soundtrack tonight. Is this the lord telling me to buy the f16 at full price?  Or is he telling me something else? As a decendant of hebrew people I don't believe god would ever tell me to do this. What should I do. I already have most of the modules

God is telling you to wait for Easter

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[Tom Kazansky]

4 hours ago, D.0.A. said:

I listened to the Iron eagle soundtrack tonight. Is this the lord telling me to buy the f16 at full price? 

I'm almost sorry to say that it might have wanted to tell you that you've missed the first Viper sale of -50% by just some hours.

[Lace]

It is worth it at twice the price.  Once you start enjoying mastering the Viper, you won't be thinking about how much you spent.

[bukizzzz]

1 minute ago, Lace said:

It is worth it at twice the price.  Once you start enjoying mastering the Viper, you won't be thinking about how much you spent.

Indeed.

[BuzzU]

Maybe if you listen to the Top Gun music you'll want the Hornet/Tomcat.

Edited January 12, 2023 by BuzzU

[silverdevil]

50 minutes ago, BuzzU said:

Maybe if you listen to the Top Gun music you'll want the Hornet/Tomcat.

 

A-10 https://theaviationgeekclub.com/former-usaf-life-support-technician-tells-the-story-of-the-a-10-warthog-pilot-who-loved-to-listen-to-the-doors-during-strafing-runs/

[BuzzU]

1 minute ago, silverdevil said:

A-10 https://theaviationgeekclub.com/former-usaf-life-support-technician-tells-the-story-of-the-a-10-warthog-pilot-who-loved-to-listen-to-the-doors-during-strafing-runs/

Funny.

[D.0.A.]

Holy sorry for the late reply all! I thought this post just disappeared. Just got a notification today

I was aware I missed the sale it was a toss up between the P-47 and F-16. I have most of the jets so I chose the thunderbolt, was kind of second guessing my choice. I will get it next time it goes on sale 

Also I was actually having beers while listening to  the top gun soundtrack and doing carrier traps in the F-18 ,F-14 and A-4. I am that big of a dork!! 

[darkman222]

The systems of the F18 and the F16 are comparable. But the F16 is more user friendly, system wise.

F18 is pushing buttons in the cockpit and F16 is mostly accessible via hotas during combat.

Edited January 26, 2023 by darkman222

[D.0.A.]

On 1/12/2023 at 5:03 AM, silverdevil said:

A-10 https://theaviationgeekclub.com/former-usaf-life-support-technician-tells-the-story-of-the-a-10-warthog-pilot-who-loved-to-listen-to-the-doors-during-strafing-runs/

My Grandfather used to fly F-86s in the RCAF over in Europe in the 50s. I will have to ask him about it again but he would listen to the radio when it was not busy in the cockpit. It was getting close to time to land and his favourite song was playing so he chose to loiter or just take his time until the song was over to commit to landing. I don't remember the details  but he had an issue with his nose gear not coming down but indicating that it was down. It was something that was fixable from the cockpit but if he hadn't taken the time to listen to "sixteen tons by Tennessee Ernie Ford " he says he probably would have crashed and my mom wouldn't have been born! He is 93 this year and I hope to get him into the F-86 in vr this spring. amazingly enough there is a skin of his actual aircraft on here! AX-058 421 squadron RCAF. 

2 hours ago, darkman222 said:

The systems of the F18 and the F16 are comparable. But the F16 is more user friendly, system wise.

F18 is pushing buttons in the cockpit and F16 is mostly accessible via hotas during combat.

 

sold!! next sale .. I love the hornet but I like not having to use the mouse more.  how does it compare for high aoa?

[D.0.A.]

On 1/12/2023 at 2:02 AM, Lace said:

It is worth it at twice the price.  Once you start enjoying mastering the Viper, you won't be thinking about how much you spent.

I am into dcs for so much money already there is no point in caring now lol! I dont think I have paid full price for any modules yet. I have probably 2/3 of the aircraft. I think maybe super carrier, tomcat and a10 II I did ??? maybe? A module is less than going out for dinner with the GF 

[Lace]

6 hours ago, D.0.A. said:

I am into dcs for so much money already there is no point in caring now lol! I dont think I have paid full price for any modules yet. I have probably 2/3 of the aircraft. I think maybe super carrier, tomcat and a10 II I did ??? maybe? A module is less than going out for dinner with the GF 

It doesn't take long until you are <$1 per hour in the module.  Fantastic value if you ask me.

[darkman222]

10 hours ago, D.0.A. said:

sold!! next sale .. I love the hornet but I like not having to use the mouse more.  how does it compare for high aoa?

F18 is an AOA fighter. F16 is a turn rate fighter. You need more patience and skill to win guns only dogfights. But once you understood the concept of an energy fighter like the F16 it is much more rewarding than floating around in a F18 at slow speeds trying to make your opponent slow as well.

[diego999]

On 1/26/2023 at 6:52 PM, darkman222 said:

The systems of the F18 and the F16 are comparable. But the F16 is more user friendly, system wise.

F18 is pushing buttons in the cockpit and F16 is mostly accessible via hotas during combat.

 

 

For me it's the opposite, I find the Hornet systems and workflow easier. But it's just a matter of preference really, both are fantastic modules.

In my case, I chose the Hornet because:

- naval ops
- Harpoon and SLAM-ER
- bigger displays (I play in vr mostly)

 

[darkman222]

Just a matter of taste. But totally agreed. HUD and display readability in VR is great in the F18. In the F16 youre constantly leaning forward. Unless you own a Varjo Aero. Like I do

[Mr_Blastman]

F-16 has the best FLCS/Avionics suite of any 4th Gen multirole fighter.  Everything accessible and extremely easy to operate, whereas non-GD properties such as McDonnell Douglas stuff are unnecessarily convoluted.  The F-18 is as if they never fully tested making stuff operable in an efficient manner through the HOTAS and literally wanted pilots punching MFD buttons all the time.

Also, the Viper is the sexiest jet in the sky.

Edited January 30, 2023 by Mr_Blastman

[Gremlin17]

Put it this way, I was taxiing out the other day behind a fully loaded F-16 while I was in my 4 maverick hornet. I did feel some load out jealousy.

Having said that, I find nothing more enjoyable than stretching the elastic bands of the super carrier at the start and end of a sortie.

 

The only answer really is to get both.

 

Solved.

[Razor18]

On 1/29/2023 at 5:29 PM, darkman222 said:

Just a matter of taste. But totally agreed. HUD and display readability in VR is great in the F18. In the F16 youre constantly leaning forward. Unless you own a Varjo Aero. Like I do

Why would you lean forward?...

[Bunny Clark]

On 1/30/2023 at 10:35 AM, Mr_Blastman said:

F-16 has the best FLCS/Avionics suite of any 4th Gen multirole fighter.

Eh, still a matter of opinion. I like that the Hornet is all one unified computer system where components can talk to one another and information can be displayed wherever you want it. The Viper's bunch of independent systems that mostly don't talk to each other just feels clunky by comparison.

I like the Viper's stick better, but the Hornet has a better throttle in my opinion.

The Hornet's DFCS is also nicer. It gives you more authority and will automatically adjust for loading. No need to manually G-limit or flip a CAT switch like in the Viper.