Patch notes discussion thread 25th January 2023

[Baldrick33]

39 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

 in this update OpenXR is natively enabled in DCS, so maybe a conflict with "OpenXR toolkit" ?

22 minutes ago, some1 said:

Would you kindly include things like that in the changelog next time?

Thank you.

Quite. This is probably the most impacting thing in the patch for VR users and snuck in without a mention!

[Bully]

Can anyone help me / guide me how to use this OpenXR toolkit? Thank you!

[BIGNEWY]

35 minutes ago, some1 said:

Would you kindly include things like that in the changelog next time?

Thank you.

yes agreed, should have been in there. Caught me out, but I have been using openXR for a while and didnt notice the change 

[Rapierarch]

53 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

n this update OpenXR is natively enabled in DCS

Wow. Since open xr native applications can switch in between vr and 2d dynamically without restarting the game can you please tell us what keybinding or hot key do you use in DCS to do the switch?

Thanks for openXR.

[Convexrook]

12 minutes ago, Bully said:

Can anyone help me / guide me how to use this OpenXR toolkit? Thank you!

https://mbucchia.github.io/OpenXR-Toolkit/

[Gunfreak]

I liked steam VR, i never had to go into DCS and click the vr check to play VR.

If i wanted VR i choose start steam vr when i hit the play button.

If i didnt want VR(working in the editor or watching a track) i choose to start with out vr.

Now I'll have to go into DCS.  Click the vr tab. Wait for a restart to play vr. And the reverse to play flat. And keeps doing that.

It was one of the main reasons I gave up on openxr in DCS and went back to steam vr.

[zildac]

yes agreed, should have been in there. Caught me out, but I have been using openXR for a while and didnt notice the change 

Hi, just to confirm, so there is no longer a need to swap the DLLs out? The app is using OpenXR natively out of the box with no modification? If so, that also means Reshade will no longer work, not an issue for me personally.

[slughead]

2 minutes ago, Gunfreak said:

I liked steam VR, i never had to go into DCS and click the vr check to play VR.

If i wanted VR i choose start steam vr when i hit the play button.

If i didnt want VR(working in the editor or watching a track) i choose to start with out vr.

Now I'll have to go into DCS.  Click the vr tab. Wait for a restart to play vr. And the reverse to play flat. And keeps doing that.

It was one of the main reasons I gave up on openxr in DCS and went back to steam vr.

You can create another shortcut and add "--force_disable_VR" to the command line to launch in 2D. So you then have two shortcuts, one for VR and one for 2D.

[Eldur]

1 hour ago, BIGNEWY said:

just bare in mind options.graphics.stereo_mode_use_shared_parser = true is very w.i.p and possibly obsolete in future versions

  It's been very WIP for over 4 years by now. But now you say it will get obsolete - does it mean that Single Pass Stereo will finally be fully implemented making that switch obsolete? Would be very much appreciated and probably do more for our performance than having multi threading (in the end, everything counts, though)!

1 hour ago, BIGNEWY said:

 in this update OpenXR is natively enabled in DCS, so maybe a conflict with "OpenXR toolkit" ?

I've never tried that OpenXR mod... is the support now officially integrated into DCS so that mod gets obsolete? Could you maybe elaborate on this? I'm still stuck with SteamVR firing up and with the Quests, performance with either AirLink or Virtual Desktop is just atrocious, wired link is totally broken anyway. On top of that, the notes don't read anything about the up to 60% fps loss from 2.8.x over 2.7.x yet (I do even have that in pancake, so it's not just the flat shadow bug).

[Miro]

3 hours ago, al531246 said:

Please disregard Bignewy's comment, he's talking nonsense. 

The issue is caused by the F-16C's damage model. The pilot's hitbox is defined by the entire canopy. It is the same in the F/A-18C too. Any hits to the glass cause the death of the pilot.

I started a topic how to temporary fix it. F-16 canopy is not even made of glass. Canopy is very resistant. 

Here's a canopy of downed F-16: https://www.f-16.net/articles_article8.html

Edited January 25, 2023 by Miro

[FusRoPotato]

1 hour ago, BIGNEWY said:

I can assure you the viper is more vulnerable, but no worries, you do you. 

You guys should probably ease up on disrespecting your own members, also making misguided assumptions about matters while evidence suggest otherwise. Neither is an effective way to defend the hard work put into these modules. Some of us have been engineering aerospace systems and components for decades and know a thing or two...

Why not just forward the concerns to the relative individuals and leave assumptions out of it?

[Eldur]

14 minutes ago, Gunfreak said:

I liked steam VR, i never had to go into DCS and click the vr check to play VR.

If i wanted VR i choose start steam vr when i hit the play button.

If i didnt want VR(working in the editor or watching a track) i choose to start with out vr.

Now I'll have to go into DCS.  Click the vr tab. Wait for a restart to play vr. And the reverse to play flat. And keeps doing that.

It was one of the main reasons I gave up on openxr in DCS and went back to steam vr.

Just make another desktop shortcut to the DCS.exe in the bin subfolder that has the respective parameter added: »"E:\DCS World OpenBeta\bin\DCS.exe" --force_disable_VR« and use that for pancake ops.

[BIGNEWY]

Forcing motion reprojection in OpenXR for WMR seems to create a crash, we are reporting now. 

Auto or disable seems ok. 

[MadMonty]

5 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

Forcing motion reprojection in OpenXR for WMR seems to create a crash, we are reporting now. 

Auto or disable seems ok. 

Thanks - you saved my day. I was lost in CTDs and had no clue what to do....

[Demiurgo]

New Fuzes. If you put 1 bomb you can modify fuzes. if you put 2 of the same kind in one pylon you can´t.

Also please indicate where is the documentation for each one.  Thanks

[BIGNEWY]

Just now, MadMonty said:

Thanks - you saved my day. I was lost in CTDs and had no clue what to do....

No problem, we should have spotted it before, but I have it disabled on my end.

Just now, Demiurgo said:

New Fuzes. If you put 1 bomb you can modify fuzes. if you put 2 of the same kind in one pylon you can´t.

Also please indicate where is the documentation for each one.  Thanks

yes w.i.p currently, best to stick to singles or not use fuses in this build 

thanks

[avgyst]

I understand correctly, now instead of steam vr you need to install open xr toolkit ?

[ThorBrasil]

Thank you for adding the Israeli AH-64D livery skin created by ZedTank. It's the prettiest Apache skin!

[Rebel28]

If you are using openXR toolkit that is whats stopping the game from loading. It is the TURBO mode setting that is causing this. Open the toolkit app and check off start in safe mode and go to last page and do a reset. BUT without TURBO mode running you will find your frames now suck.

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Silly question: is it possible to run DCS in VR now without OpenCompsite in Quest 2 and/or Pico 4? My guess is no.

[Baldrick33]

8 minutes ago, Rebel28 said:

If you are using openXR toolkit that is whats stopping the game from loading. It is the TURBO mode setting that is causing this. Open the toolkit app and check off start in safe mode and go to last page and do a reset. BUT without TURBO mode running you will find your frames now suck.

That maybe another issue but even with the Toolkit disabled having motion reprojection on causes DCS to freeze

[Baldrick33]

58 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

Forcing motion reprojection in OpenXR for WMR seems to create a crash, we are reporting now. 

Auto or disable seems ok. 

Although Auto is the same as disabling it. So there is currently no way currently of using motion reprojection.

[zildac]

45 minutes ago, avgyst said:

I understand correctly, now instead of steam vr you need to install open xr toolkit ?

You don't "need" OXRTK, it just allows you to tweak some additional settings. It is very very useful, but there seems to be some mixed success running it with the newly introduced  native OXR support in DCS (depending on Headset in use).

[Warlord Zico]

35 minutes ago, Rebel28 said:

If you are using openXR toolkit that is whats stopping the game from loading. It is the TURBO mode setting that is causing this. Open the toolkit app and check off start in safe mode and go to last page and do a reset. BUT without TURBO mode running you will find your frames now suck.

I only had to reconfigure OpenXR Toolkit, at start. I 've set the same options as before ( with Turbo Mode ON ). Restart DCS, and everything is fine. No crashes. Played for 4 hours in VR without issues. ( Reverb G2 )

[BIGNEWY]

deleted off topic. 

Please stick to the patch notes here 

thank you