VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 Sorted, it is one of the mods in the saved games mod directory. Can figure out which one(s) go wrong. OpenXR Toolkit seems to have no problem. 1 I Fly, Therefore I Am. One cannot go around not saying "Thank you" every time these days, can't you? YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc9BDi-STaqgWsjNiHbW0fA
NatoAviator Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 45 minutes ago, RealDCSpilot said: @VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants @NatoAviator Try to get rid of any additional tweak first. Basically start with vanilla DCS and your VR runtime only. SteamVR with VD (VR Flight Guy) or plain WMR (NatoAviator). This will continue in the next months, because a lot will change. Most of the known tweaks will get old and deprecated. Thank you! Got it working. Now, I'm trying to figure out how to use my mouse cursor in WMR/OpenXR... It works fine in 2D, however when I put on the HMD, I lose mouse cursor control...
ddc196 Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 (edited) For anyone using Oculus Rift S, this worked for me. I set Steam VR as my default OpenXR runtime and then started DCS in Steam VR mode. Edited January 26, 2023 by ddc196 Intel i9-14900KF - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 - 64GB 3200 - Win 11 - 4 TB SSD (game drive) - Quest 3.
kaje36 Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 1 hour ago, NatoAviator said: Now, I'm trying to figure out how to use my mouse cursor in WMR/OpenXR... It works fine in 2D, however when I put on the HMD, I lose mouse cursor control... in the WMR settings, under startup and desktop, change input switches, to be "Manually switch using Windows logo key......."
dock999 Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 7 hours ago, ColinM9991 said: Those using OpenComposite won't notice much of a difference, since we've been use to the lack of in-game stuttering for some time, but it does mean that any DCS update won't prevent players from using OpenXR as it is now baked in. That is not correct . I have been playing DCS in VR ( G2 headset) by using OpenComposite for a very long time and the DCS had been running smoothly. However last night I installed the latest patch and DCS just had " million" crash episodes and every time I had to use Task Manager to close the program. I can not even to send out the crash report because the mouse froze. I wonder whether I should remove the Beta version and re-install the stable version for a period . 1
ColinM9991 Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 Just now, dock999 said: That is not correct . I have been playing DCS in VR ( G2 headset) by using OpenComposite for a very long time and the DCS had been running smoothly. However last night I installed the latest patch and DCS just had " million" crash episodes and every time I had to use Task Manager to close the program. I can not even to send out the crash report because the mouse froze. I wonder whether I should remove the Beta version and re-install the stable version for a period . I'll apologize as I spoke too soon - I have a habit of doing that, I'm sure some have noticed. There are some issues depending on the headset. Mbucchia, a Microsoft developer who worked/works on OpenXR, appears to be offering his assistance on the matter. As a workaround, in themeantime, you should still be able to use OpenComposite with --force_steamVR
5ephir0th Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 2 hours ago, gortex said: It's because we can't use FSR or CAS sharpening without the openXR toolkit. This OB patch is a downgrade for VR users who were using those tools. I don’t know what are you talking but for those options and much more you can use OpenXR Toolkit, it has no problem working with last update NZXT H9 Flow Black | Intel Core i5 13600KF OCed P5.6 E4.4 | Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX | G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo DDR5-6000 32GB C30 OCed 6600 C32 | nVidia GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition | Western Digital SN770 2TB | Gigabyte GP-UD1000GM PG5 ATX 3.0 1000W | SteelSeries Apex 7 | Razer Viper Mini | SteelSeries Artics Nova 7 | LG OLED42C2 | Xiaomi P1 55" Virpil T-50 CM2 Base + Thrustmaster Warthog Stick | WinWing Orion 2 F16EX Viper Throttle | WinWing ICP | 3 x Thrustmaster MFD | Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals | Oculus Quest 2 DCS World | Persian Gulf | Syria | Flaming Cliff 3 | P-51D Mustang | Spitfire LF Mk. IX | Fw-109 A-8 | A-10C II Tank Killer | F/A-18C Hornet | F-14B Tomcat | F-16C Viper | F-15E Strike Eagle | M2000C | Ka-50 BlackShark III | Mi-24P Hind | AH-64D Apache | SuperCarrier
lvnona69 Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 7 minutes ago, ColinM9991 said: I'll apologize as I spoke too soon - I have a habit of doing that, I'm sure some have noticed. There are some issues depending on the headset. Mbucchia, a Microsoft developer who worked/works on OpenXR, appears to be offering his assistance on the matter. As a workaround, in themeantime, you should still be able to use OpenComposite with --force_steamVR Same here....same issues and than i realized it is unplayable because DCS OpenXR doesnt accept Motion Reprojection. Before i had everything smooth anf flawless 70-90fps with G2 and no i cant play - too much stutters and head movement micro stutters unplayable. 1
MACE11 Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 11 hours ago, BIGNEWY said: DCS now supports OpenXR natively Depending on which headset you have select the openXR runtime and DCS will work without any third party apps. Currently we are working on a crash if motion reprojection is being forced on. If you have reprojection on auto or off you will not see the crash. Some are angee over this as their troubleshooting methods have included complete re-installs in the past 24 hours...I for one would love to see the bar graph data on downloads over a period of time for the past 2 days that would include the sharp spike in downloads due to re-installs as part of the troubleshooting method. I'm glad that ED remembered to make this post... 1
corb Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 I cant even get past the opening menu with my G2 in VR. Freezes after 5-15 seconds. I can still hear my menu music, but totally frozen. I have force motion reprojection, or else DCS is way too stuttery with my 3090. Also using OpenXR composite. Tried going back to SteamVR but same crash. 1
YoYo Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 11 hours ago, BIGNEWY said: Currently we are working on a crash if motion reprojection is being forced on. Please fix it soon. We need a HOTFIX pretty please. What is strange with mod (OpenComposite) I didnt noticed any CTD like now, with OpenXR motion reprojection always on. So tests failed. 1 Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 4090 24Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro
Nodak Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 (edited) Is there a way to manually change the motion repro tool kit setting outside the game to restore it? Yes, open the toolkit, go into safe mode, it resets everything, fire up the game and reset. Edited January 26, 2023 by Nodak
Ready Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Nodak said: Is there a way to manually change the motion repro tool kit setting outside the game to restore it? Maybe it is possible with command line https://mbucchia.github.io/OpenXR-Toolkit/cli.html Edited January 26, 2023 by Ready I fly an A-10C II in VR and post my DCS journey on | Subscribe to my DCS A-10C channel Come check out the 132nd Virtual Wing | My VR Performance Optimization (4090/9800X3D/Aero) SYSTEM SPECS: Ryzen 7 9800X3D, RTX4090, 64GB DDR5-6000, Windows 10, ROG STRIX X870E-E Gaming WIFI, Varjo Aero, VKB Gunfighter MKIII MCG Ultimate with 10cm extension, VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle, VPC Control Panel #2, TM TPR Rudders. Buttkicker, Gametrix Jetseat, PointCTRL, OpenKneeboard, Wacom Intuos Pro Small.
lvnona69 Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 11 minutes ago, corb said: I cant even get past the opening menu with my G2 in VR. Freezes after 5-15 seconds. I can still hear my menu music, but totally frozen. I have force motion reprojection, or else DCS is way too stuttery with my 3090. Also using OpenXR composite. Tried going back to SteamVR but same crash. you can start openXR from toolkit in Safe mode and when you start dcs CTRL+F1+F2+F3 will resest everything. But on G2 without Motion Reprojection it is unplayable
dock999 Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 Now we know what the issue is and we have 2 options . 1. ask ED to issue an urgent patch . 2 ask someone who is clever enough to write a step-step guideline to go around the issue . that will be very kind . 1
Ready Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 9 minutes ago, lvnona69 said: But on G2 without Motion Reprojection it is unplayable I seem to have no problem with my G2 without reprojection. Don't know what is happening. https://forum.dcs.world/topic/313901-my-4090-vr-performance-optimization/?do=findComment&comment=5139790 I fly an A-10C II in VR and post my DCS journey on | Subscribe to my DCS A-10C channel Come check out the 132nd Virtual Wing | My VR Performance Optimization (4090/9800X3D/Aero) SYSTEM SPECS: Ryzen 7 9800X3D, RTX4090, 64GB DDR5-6000, Windows 10, ROG STRIX X870E-E Gaming WIFI, Varjo Aero, VKB Gunfighter MKIII MCG Ultimate with 10cm extension, VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle, VPC Control Panel #2, TM TPR Rudders. Buttkicker, Gametrix Jetseat, PointCTRL, OpenKneeboard, Wacom Intuos Pro Small.
Baldrick33 Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Ready said: I seem to have no problem with my G2 without reprojection. Don't know what is happening. For some of us anything less than 90fps without reprojection produces unacceptable stuttering. It seems to be one of those "how you are wired" kind of things. Also... Some can handle 60Hz Some find it smooth without reprojection at 55fps Some hate reprojection Edited January 26, 2023 by Baldrick33 1 AMD 5800X3D · MSI 4080 · Asus ROG Strix B550 Gaming · HP Reverb Pro · 1Tb M.2 NVMe, 32Gb Corsair Vengence 3600MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · VIRPIL T-50CM3 Base, Alpha Prime R. VIRPIL VPC Rotor TCS Base. JetSeat
Mr_sukebe Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 Just to say, mine Oculus Rift S is working spot on with OpenXR. Thanks. 7800x3d, 5080, 64GB, PCIE5 SSD - Oculus Pro - Moza (AB9), Virpil (Alpha, CM3, CM1 and CM2), WW (TOP and CP), TM (MFDs, Pendular Rudder), Tek Creations (F18 panel), Total Controls (Apache MFD), Jetseat
ig002 Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 Hi, I have tried to start the Speed and Angels campaign after I have installed the update as well but I can't get too far with it. I have Pimax 5k and I tried to run with PimaxXR but it can't load the first real mission. It stucks at "World preload 1/60". I tried the Fear the Bones campaign but I have the same problem. When I try an instant action with the F-14 it works fine, I can fly the mission. It seams it crashes when DCS tries to load something more complex stuff. If I try to load with SteamVR it loads but it's a slideshow. Anyone has similar probles? Solution maybe?:)
YoYo Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, mbucchia said: Few things that may be useful.... Can I turn off Turbo mode manually in Your Toolkit? I checked this option but it crashes DCS 1 sec after loading (perhaps Motion rep. issue in current DCS and OpenXR). The problem is that now I cant turn it off because turbo option freezes DCS right away after loading. Thank You! Edited January 26, 2023 by YoYo Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 4090 24Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro
mbucchia Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, YoYo said: Can I turn off Turbo mode manually in Your Toolkit? I checked this option but it crashes DCS 1 sec after loading (perhaps Motion rep. issue in current DCS and OpenXR). The problem is that now I cant turn it off because turbo option freezes DCS right away after loading. Thank You! Follow the "Start in safe mode" bit, it is meant specifically for these situations where a setting prevents start up. Troubleshooting | OpenXR Toolkit (mbucchia.github.io) 1 I wasn't banned, but this account is mostly inactive and not monitored.
TZeer Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 Everything loaded fine, but have a terrible "blinking" that comes on my right eye when I move around. Reverb G2 and AMD 6900XT.
YoYo Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 10 minutes ago, mbucchia said: Follow the "Start in safe mode" bit, it is meant specifically for these situations where a setting prevents start up. Troubleshooting | OpenXR Toolkit (mbucchia.github.io) Thank You, Safe mode solved my foul ; D !!! Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 4090 24Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro
Greekbull Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 (edited) Great stuff! Thanks mbucchia for the guide!...and the Support in here! Your work is making VR better for us all! Edited January 26, 2023 by Greekbull 3 AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D | ASUS Crosshair Hero X670E | 64GB G Skill Trident Z DDR5 6000 | Nvidia RTX 4090 FE| Samsung EVO Plus 6 TB M.2 PCIe SSDs | TM Hornet Stick/WinWing Hornet Throttle and MIP | VPForce Rhino FFB Base | TM TPR Rudder Pedals W/Damper | Varjo Aero/Pimax Crystal | NeoEngress NACES Seat VFA-25 Fist of the Fleet Carrier Strike Group One(CSG-1) Discord
Hunting_Fox Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 (edited) Having played around with it a little bit, this change has its pros and cons for me I am no longer getting the framerates I used to get. They are lower now that I cannot use NIS and FSR (enabling them crashes my game upon startup) At the same time my frames seem to be much more stable, rarely dropping below 45 (and rarely getting above 55, even in single player) (for reference, I had it tuned in to get a nice 60 FPS on the F-16 Caucasus cold and dark mission, my go to testing mission. Now I get around 50-55 there) I did some tests, one of which was flying the AH-64D around on a busy multiplayer server on Syria. On this particular server, I'd often crash before getting to spawn in, now I was able to fly around without my frames dropping below 40. Loading in of textures does seem a lot slower. It can take up to 20 seconds at times, where it used to take no more than 10 seconds usually. I have no clue how native OpenXR support impacted all this, it might all be caused by something else entirely. I did not do proper experiments, I just played around a bit and this is what I thought. For reference: VR: HP Reverb G2 CPU: Ryzen 9 5900X GPU: RTX 3080Ti RAM: 32GB DDR4-3200 SSD: Samsung 970 Evo Plus (Has both windows and DCS) Edited January 26, 2023 by Hunting_Fox
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