Cursor Slewing on AGM 65 Weapon Page

[Soundman766]

Replied to this issue in some older threads, but wanted to share my fix to the AGM 65 slewing sensitivity on the Weapon Page. I'm using a WinWing Orion and initially assigned the RDR cursor to an axis.  No matter how the axis curve was set, it was extremely difficult to slew/lock onto the target in the weapon page. I have since removed the axis and set the RDR cursor in 'button mode'. It now slews just as smoothly as the TGP does. Who would have thought simpler would be better, so hats off to DCS for that. Just wish the remedy was easier to find. 

[Terzi]

I have the same issue. With the FCR page and TGP the slewing seems quite normal. When I try to slew the AGM-65 WPN page, up to some point slewing does not work (deadzone) then when it starts moving the crosshair moves very rapidly. Very hard to adjust it on a specific spot. Let's say putting it on a tank from 10-15nm.

Just an addition, one may offer to do the adjustment from the axis settings, but in that case FCR movement will be affected badly. I am happy with FCR movement rate but same axis used for Maverick WPN page moves very fast.

[jackdaw]

@Soundman766How do you set it in button mode, by using keys instead?, or is there a way of using the axis in button mode

[Terzi]

6 hours ago, jackdaw said:

@Soundman766How do you set it in button mode, by using keys instead?, or is there a way of using the axis in button mode

Some joystick brands' software assumes a key is pressed when an axis is moved beyond certain threshold. Alternatively you can choose a button press from settings.

[jackdaw]

@TerziHave checked in setting and did not see button press, could you  be specific where it is in settings

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What @Soundman766 said -''I have since removed the axis and set the RDR cursor in 'button mode'. It now slews just as smoothly as the TGP does. Who would have thought simpler would be better, so hats off to DCS for that. Just wish the remedy was easier to find. ''

So my question is can you use an axis in button mode in dcs, if so how

Edited May 19, 2023 by jackdaw

[Terzi]

7 hours ago, jackdaw said:

@TerziHave checked in setting and did not see button press, could you  be specific where it is in settings

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What @Soundman766 said -''I have since removed the axis and set the RDR cursor in 'button mode'. It now slews just as smoothly as the TGP does. Who would have thought simpler would be better, so hats off to DCS for that. Just wish the remedy was easier to find. ''

So my question is can you use an axis in button mode in dcs, if so how

 

It is the same buttons where you slew your radar cursor. nullPlease see the picture.

[darkman222]

So what you're saying is that the TGP and the maverick slew the same speed and precision when set to buttons instead of axis?

[Soundman766]

On 7/13/2023 at 5:58 AM, darkman222 said:

So what you're saying is that the TGP and the maverick slew the same speed and precision when set to buttons instead of axis?

Yes, pretty much AFAIK.  Inside Winwing's 'Sim App', there is an option to set some buttons to either 'axis' or set as a simple 'button'. Although you would think setting up the Mav 'Weapon' page in an axis mode would be ideal, the simple 'button' mode' provided the best slewing for me by far.

Edited December 26, 2023 by Soundman766
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[drspankle]

This is the same behaviour I get with the TM Viper TQS. It's really annoying! Going to try this tomorrow ...

Thanks for the suggestion.

Dr Spankle

[drspankle]

My RDR Cursor axis controller on the Viper TQS works fine for the TGP, but for some reason the slewing on the Wpn Page for the Maverick is hyper-sensitive and very tricky to use.  I saw something mentioned about somewhere but now can't find it.  Is there a fix?

Dr Spankle

[Razor18]

A simple search for "slew" in the F-16 topic will find this: https://forum.dcs.world/topic/318374-cursor-slewing-on-agm-65-weapon-page/#comment-5142835

Edited January 28 by Razor18

[BIGNEWY]

threads merged

[drspankle]

Unfortunately I can't seem to set the RDR Cursor on the TM Viper TQS to be a button rather than an axis.  Has anyone found a way of doing this?  Alternatively, has anyone from ED acknowledged this change in behaviour since the last update?

Edit: As I write this Big Newy's response landed - thanks guys I'll leave it in your capable hands ...

Dr Spankle 

Edited January 29 by drspankle

[skywalker22]

On 5/18/2023 at 4:17 PM, Terzi said:

I have the same issue. With the FCR page and TGP the slewing seems quite normal. When I try to slew the AGM-65 WPN page, up to some point slewing does not work (deadzone) then when it starts moving the crosshair moves very rapidly. Very hard to adjust it on a specific spot. Let's say putting it on a tank from 10-15nm.

Just an addition, one may offer to do the adjustment from the axis settings, but in that case FCR movement will be affected badly. I am happy with FCR movement rate but same axis used for Maverick WPN page moves very fast.

Exactly the same here. I slowed down quite a bit with the axis tuning, but still the slewing its too fast, very difficult to find what I want. I am also struggling with boresighting, to point the mavs into that specific point.

[Toro]

Came here to bump this up after spending too many hours trying to fine tune it. TGP works flawlessly.

 

Anyone with a fix or still reporting the same issue?

[Hyperlynx]

Oof. And I came here to make a post asking about this, when I saw this thread...

Yeah, same problem. As if Mavericks aren't enough of a pain in the backside already!...

[Silver_]

 

 

I have read this post but I think that the solution given ("button mode" in winwing) is not a solution because in the end what is achieved is having a lot of slack in the cursors, making it equally impossible and even more difficult to select any unit on the WPN page. For me the only solution was to make a curve in DCS, it is at least the least bad.

[Hobel]

Hm interesting I had the feeling that the slew rate is quite similar with the same zoom lvl, but I may be wrong.

 

In any case, the enormous zoom with the TGP gives you the opportunity to capture the target very well. And that's exactly how I often do it, the tgp remains SOI and I simply control the Maverick and make a handover, which works perfectly for me.

[darkman222]

Probably a good idea to use the handoff. But if you dont have time to hand off and slew the Maverick seeker manually with the RDR cursor:

Welcome to almost 2025 and its still a pain to slew the Maverick seeker on target with the RDR cursor.

[Hobel]

vor 13 Stunden schrieb darkman222:

Probably a good idea to use the handoff. But if you dont have time to hand off and slew the Maverick seeker manually with the RDR cursor:

Welcome to almost 2025 and its still a pain to slew the Maverick seeker on target with the RDR cursor.

Why should that take time?

Could you show an example And what hardware are you using?

[darkman222]

If i post a track file its obsolete by tomorrow when the update drops.

You can try yourself. Bring the TGP to 2x zoom and the Maverick to expand view. That should give a comparable field of view. The TGP reacts linar to input. But the Maverick seeker just accelerates when exceeding minimal input. So fine adjustments give a lot of overshoots of the seeker with the RDR cursor.

I have had so many hardware now. Thustmaster warthog, Winwing F16 EX, now Winwing F16 Ex with the delta sim electronics force sensing TDC mod. So many curves that I have tested for it. The cursor on the maverick screen just acts itchy compared to how the TGP moves. Its not the hardware or the curves. Its just how its modelled in DCS.

Can post a track after the patch dropped if still needed.

Edited December 3 by darkman222