Afterburner sound inside the cockpit.

[Hiob]

I can't tell without looking at the throttle or the controls overlay if the Burner is lit or not.

Would be nice to have an audible feedback.

Thank you!

Edit: I acknowledge - it's there. I missed the first time around. But can you make it bit more impressive? Sounds is the best substitute for missing feels.

Edited June 22, 2023 by Hiob

[randomTOTEN]

There's an option in the sound settings for increased AB sound.

[Hiob]

13 minutes ago, randomTOTEN said:

There's an option in the sound settings for increased AB sound.

Which I have enabled by default.

I‘d still wished it was louder. The Tomcat is a good reference.

[Cyborg71]

On a similar note, is the general cockpit noise (in which I mean the background rumble) accurate?

Whilst sat on the ground at Idle, it sounds as if the engines are at full military power.  I had to keep checking to see if my throttle axis was faulty, which it was not. 

Is that just the standard F15 electronics ambience (like in the f18?)

I agree about the AB sound. A little "thump" would be useful.

[Rainmaker]

Its not engine noise. Its ECS, and yes, its accurate.  Engines are not heard in the cockpit by aircrew IRL. Nor is AB. You go off the the EMD and throttle position. 

Edited June 22, 2023 by Rainmaker

[draconus]

9 hours ago, Hiob said:

The Tomcat is a good reference.

You mean the artistic license from HB with unrealistic sounds all over? Very bad example.

[Lt_Jaeger]

10 minutes ago, draconus said:

You mean the artistic license from HB with unrealistic sounds all over? Very bad example.

On the contrary, a very good example. These sounds, unrealistic as they are, make up for my missing sense - feel. I neither feel if I actually flipped a switch (or just clicked the mouse button but missed the target), nor do I feel the acceleration as the AB kick in.

I did only a short hop in the F-15 yesterday and had quiet a hard time to figure out when the AB actually kicked in (still need to adjust my throttle) and I DON'T believe a second a real life pilot will look at Nozzle position or something to determin if he is in AB. I bet there are tons of haptic feedbacks in the real thing.

So yes, a little unrealistic enhancement of the other senses might go a long way in this Game!!

[Hiob]

27 minutes ago, draconus said:

You mean the artistic license from HB with unrealistic sounds all over? Very bad example.

See, other than some purists (which, given all the short comings and compromises you can't get over anyway, doesn't make much sense at all), I find that sounds is the absolut best option to compensate for a lack of feel. And I'm not alone on that. Wether we are a majority or not, I can't tell. Only thing I know, the Tomcat is a very beloved module.

Anyway - this is debatable. That's the reason I put it under "Wishlist".

[Jackjack171]

2 hours ago, Lt_Jaeger said:

On the contrary, a very good example. These sounds, unrealistic as they are, make up for my missing sense - feel. I neither feel if I actually flipped a switch (or just clicked the mouse button but missed the target), nor do I feel the acceleration as the AB kick in.

I did only a short hop in the F-15 yesterday and had quiet a hard time to figure out when the AB actually kicked in (still need to adjust my throttle) and I DON'T believe a second a real life pilot will look at Nozzle position or something to determin if he is in AB. I bet there are tons of haptic feedbacks in the real thing.

So yes, a little unrealistic enhancement of the other senses might go a long way in this Game!!

Most jets IRL have a detent. You have finger lifts that get the throttle moved into AB or you can push through. I have the Winwing F-18 Super Taurus/Libra setup and it has the detents. 

[Hiob]

IRL pilots can feel it in their arse when the burners are lit, won't you agree? Since I can't have that feeling (unless using very specialized hardware, which not everybody likes or can afford), I at least wanna hear it. What's so hard to get about that?

And not everybody has a throttle with a physical detent either......

Edited June 23, 2023 by Hiob

[Rainmaker]

3 hours ago, Hiob said:

IRL pilots can feel it in their arse when the burners are lit, won't you agree? Since I can't have that feeling (unless using very specialized hardware, which not everybody likes or can afford), I at least wanna hear it. What's so hard to get about that?

And not everybody has a throttle with a physical detent either......

 

No. I dont agree. The feels that everyone assumes are there are often not. 

[jaylw314]

Are we listening to the same thing?  I was able to hear the afterburners light up perfectly well, I just finished fine tuning my AB throttle setting.  It's not dramatic or like going to a rock concert, but you can definitely hear it if you're listening for it underneath the ECS sound.

[Hiob]

3 hours ago, jaylw314 said:

Are we listening to the same thing?  I was able to hear the afterburners light up perfectly well, I just finished fine tuning my AB throttle setting.  It's not dramatic or like going to a rock concert, but you can definitely hear it if you're listening for it underneath the ECS sound.

I already acknowledged that it is there, just not very distinct for my ears. Are you playing with or without the „hear inside helmet“ option?

[MAXsenna]

I already acknowledged that it is there, just not very distinct for my ears. Are you playing with or without the „hear inside helmet“ option?

I can hear the AB in either. Luckily we can change the audio settings on the fly for testing.

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[jaylw314]

7 hours ago, Hiob said:

I already acknowledged that it is there, just not very distinct for my ears. Are you playing with or without the „hear inside helmet“ option?

That option is off.  I was confused by the argument that alternative AB feedback is necessary, which implies the sound is imperceptible.

[Hoirtel]

I think the AB sounds just need a little more low frequency to be a bit more immersive but not louder per say. Also the aircraft does need a bit more low frequency in general to add feeling. Such as the cockpit shake when going through the engine start procedures. 

Also for anyone that has transducers it makes a big difference, and no I don't like SSA. 

Many other aircraft have subtle low frequency noises which really add to the feel and immersion of the aircraft. 

Edited June 26, 2023 by Hoirtel