This Aircraft is Unforgiving on Landing!

[JOEM423]

Not too much over steer or your finished!!!!!!!

[Ignition]

Are you talking when turning on BASE or when steering on the runway?

[Nodak]

Set up your paddle switch and press so your NWS is off, than you can safely use rudder to correct without worry.

[BuLLeT.ZA]

I'd actually say that she's erring on the side of being too forgiving. The brakes seem too effective. (Not that I'm complaining).

As for over-steering it, I'd agree with Nodak.

[Lace]

Unlike some other modules, NWS is enabled on touchdown, so you need to use the paddle switch to disconnect it until airspeed drops sufficiently for the rudders to become ineffective, usually around 60-70kts.  

 

[jaylw314]

NWS should not be an issue while you're aerobraking with the nose wheel off   You should normally be aerobraking until about 90 KIAS or so.  Hopefully during that time you've been keeping the aircraft on centerline, so when you finally drop the nose you'd just need to brake in a straight line!

[Jayhawk1971]

I find the F-15E to be very easy to land and to handle once on the ground.  Maybe a controller input issue? Axis spiking? Something like that?

[311Gryphon]

Compared to the Viper it's a dream.  Also, isn't the NWS ALWAYS on?  The NWS button is for High Gain.  Or is there a way to turn it off completely?  If so, I've never used it.  But anyway, I find that the Viper is a bit easier to get to the surface gently but the Strike Eagle is much easier to get to a stop, in a straight line, once I've touched the pavement.  

[Weaponz248]

20 minutes ago, 311Gryphon said:

Compared to the Viper it's a dream.  Also, isn't the NWS ALWAYS on?  The NWS button is for High Gain.  Or is there a way to turn it off completely?  If so, I've never used it.  But anyway, I find that the Viper is a bit easier to get to the surface gently but the Strike Eagle is much easier to get to a stop, in a straight line, once I've touched the pavement.  

NWS is disengaged with the paddle switch on the stick I believe. 

 

[Phantom_Mark]

Please don't change the brakes, nice to have an aircraft which finally feels like it has some  !!

[Rhinozherous]

1 hour ago, Weaponz248 said:

NWS is disengaged with the paddle switch on the stick I believe. 

 

Dont think so... Or only when paddle switch is held? 

[Lace]

3 minutes ago, Rhinozherous said:

Dont think so... Or only when paddle switch is held? 

When held.  

[Harry.R]

She's a beaut to land, you can do a greaser so smooth that it's like a cat pissing on silk. Loving the F-15E.

[Nealius]

On 6/30/2023 at 4:10 AM, jaylw314 said:

You should normally be aerobraking until about 90 KIAS or so.

Nose comes down at 105KIAS with full aft stick at a relatively light weight and a 10-knot headwind (3xAIM120, 1xAIM9, 2xFUEL empty, NAV pod, LANTIRN, 3000lbs gas).

[Scofflaw]

I find the F15 to be the easiest of the non-carrier aircraft to land.  Just have to avoid landing fully loaded, much like any other plane in DCS.

 

[Chipwich]

I find it extremely easy to land.  It's very gentle in the flare.  Lots of lift available. A fine flying machine.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

On 6/29/2023 at 12:41 AM, BuLLeT.ZA said:

I'd actually say that she's erring on the side of being too forgiving. The brakes seem too effective. (Not that I'm complaining).

As for over-steering it, I'd agree with Nodak.

I think that's a function of DCS more than RAZBAM's development. The MiG-19 and MiG-21 both enjoy stupendous braking that render their drag chutes useless. It'd be nice if we got some actual runway icing effects.

[IsAnyoneUp]

I have problems to land the F-15E too. It feels like she doesnt slow down when flaring/air breaking.

I want to learn the straight in first before learning the overhead break.

I try to manage an AoA of 20-22 and before touchdown I have about 190 kts IAS. Just before I touchdown throttle to idle and speedbrake up. Then I raise my nose (the w-like-symbol in my hud) between 10-15 degree on the climb ladder and hold this angle till touchdown and my nosewheel comes down. Then I engage the wheel brakes full.

I try to touchdown early on the runway but can barely stop before the last taxi way. I tried it on Batumi no other Airport yet. Without any weapons or fuel tanks loaded nor wind settings

Edited July 3, 2023 by IsAnyoneUp

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

Try with less internal fuel? Also make sure “idle” is effectively idle on your physical throttle (it is something I forgot to check after updating my Virpil firmware - I use physical detents): you can check that in the axis bindings.

[Thx1137]

I found it tough because I'm used to the hornet. But this beast needs to be landed quite differently. 

Most of the time I have trouble stopping now is because I'm too heavy. Given the standard F15 has a landing distance of 7,500 ft (2,300 m), according to Google, it seems about right. It uses almost 4/5 of the runway at my local international airport going by those numbers. 

Edited July 3, 2023 by Thx1137

[KlarSnow]

Rule of thumb is 1000 lbs of fuel and ordnance for every 1000 feet of runway you are landing on.

So if its a 9000 foot runway, combined fuel plus ordnance should be no more than 9000 lbs. Take that as your MAXIMUM landing weight, recommended is probly less than 5000 lbs combined fuel and ordnance.

You have a fuel dump switch that will dump ~1000 lbs a minute, so use that to help get down to a good landing weight if you find yourself with too much.

Fly a 20-22 unit AOA final approach with the flaps down.

Flare at 50 feet AGL using the radar altimeter and the tape on the side of the hud.

If you are floating in the flare crack the speedbrake to get the jet to settle on to the runway. Normal technique used all the time in the real thing.

Edited July 3, 2023 by KlarSnow

[Nealius]

I start my flare at around 20~30ft on the radar altimeter, speedbreak out, 20 units on approach 22 units in the flare and she still floats at about 10ft until suddenly plopping down. 

[Poptart]

Compared to the F-15C this thing is easy. The plane doesn't skid wildly off the runway and the gear doesn't collapse with the slightest breeze.

[Lord_Pyro]

On 7/3/2023 at 10:36 AM, IsAnyoneUp said:

I have problems to land the F-15E too. It feels like she doesnt slow down when flaring/air breaking.

I want to learn the straight in first before learning the overhead break.

I try to manage an AoA of 20-22 and before touchdown I have about 190 kts IAS. Just before I touchdown throttle to idle and speedbrake up. Then I raise my nose (the w-like-symbol in my hud) between 10-15 degree on the climb ladder and hold this angle till touchdown and my nosewheel comes down. Then I engage the wheel brakes full.

I try to touchdown early on the runway but can barely stop before the last taxi way. I tried it on Batumi no other Airport yet. Without any weapons or fuel tanks loaded nor wind settings

 

190? Thats really fast! Try something like 160 and let her calmly aerobrake.

She actually decelerates quite nicely, especially compared to a hornet.

[Swift.]

1 hour ago, Lord_Pyro said:

190? Thats really fast! Try something like 160 and let her calmly aerobrake.

She actually decelerates quite nicely, especially compared to a hornet.

190 isn't fast if you are heavy. Notice the 20-22 AOA he describes?