now in early access DCS: CH-47F Pre-purchase

[Slippa]

Alright, I’ve been given my first warning here so I’ll take a breath and apologise. I don’t mean any harm but I overstepped the mark a bit, fair enough.

Hiobs posts here and a couple of others are making good points with sentiments I can agree with. I’m a bit scatty with it all at the minute too, trying to see different perspectives. Bit of a hot topic I s’pose, it’s ’our thing’ and something we’ve all invested a lot of time and money into, Devs, customers, all of us. 

I have a few points still to spend on my account, can they be used towards pre-orders? Maybe I’ll give it the benefit of the doubt.

[HILOK]

all frustration aside, let's not forget one thing: people who purchase or pre-purchase every module basically keep DCS going for people who choose not to.

[zerO_crash]

13 minutes ago, HILOK said:

all frustration aside, let's not forget one thing: people who purchase or pre-purchase every module basically keep DCS going for people who choose not to.

Bingo

[BIGNEWY]

Folks a reminder. 

The topic here is for the CH-47F pre-purchase. 

If you want to talk about drama please do it somewhere else, off topic post will be removed. 

thank you 

[Wacko_ZA]

4 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

Folks a reminder. 

The topic here is for the CH-47F pre-purchase. 

If you want to talk about drama please do it somewhere else, off topic post will be removed. 

thank you 

any news on my M134 mini guns? 

[BIGNEWY]

1 minute ago, Wacko_ZA said:

any news on my M134 mini guns? 

It has been requested. 

thanks

[admiki]

I have pre-ordered as soon as I got a notification.

After diving into details and seeing ED's attitude, I requested a refund and will wait until more is known.

[BIGNEWY]

4 minutes ago, admiki said:

I have pre-ordered as soon as I got a notification.

After diving into details and seeing ED's attitude, I requested a refund and will wait until more is known.

Sorry to hear that, I hope when you are happy you will consider it again. 

Best regards 

bignewy

[admiki]

2 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

Sorry to hear that, I hope when you are happy you will consider it again. 

Best regards 

bignewy

Of course I will. That's not the issue here.

[Gambit21]

Too much belly-aching happening.

I'll be pre-purchasing by early next week.

I don't think I've ever been quite this stoked about an aircraft.

Bring it on.

 

 

[splash]

I'm buying it next week too. Being an aircraft from ED is quality assured.

[Rosly]

On 4/25/2024 at 11:16 AM, BIGNEWY said:

Folks a reminder. 

The topic here is for the CH-47F pre-purchase. 

If you want to talk about drama please do it somewhere else, off topic post will be removed. 

thank you 

From stand point of customer relations, why ED do not address the elefant in the room, which is the question everyone is asking: why ED offered the product without specifing the feature set?

It is not about pumping the drama. Everyone is actually on topic asking why this happened, as this is very unusual.

Like... Why you not addressing this question, why? This is main topic question...

Edited April 27, 2024 by Rosly

[Cab]

37 minutes ago, Rosly said:

From stand point of customer relations, why ED do not address the elefant in the room, which is the question everyone is asking: why ED offered the product without specifing the feature set?

They addressed it by saying a feature list will be provided once it’s finalized. 

[MustangSally]

WOW! What is with all the whinging?....Oh, just pre-purchased the CH-47F and Afghanistan.

Edited April 28, 2024 by MustangSally

[admiki]

5 hours ago, MustangSally said:

WOW! What is with all the whinging?....Oh, just pre-purchased the CH-47F and Afghanistan.

 

To stop whinging afterwards when people become unhappy by a really long development path and asking over and over again when some important feature is going to be implemented, or when some big bug is going to be fixed. ED has limited resources, so it can be one or the other, rarely both at the same time.

Just look at F16 and SC.

[Gunnar81]

I don't think I will be able to pre purchase due to Steam's Policy but I will certainly be getting the Chinook when it is released. Thanks ED, this will be a great addition.

[HC_Official]

Yea, pre-order made sense with hardware and physical media, where there was a finite supply, and people couldn't bear to wait longer than day 1 to get the goods.

20 years ago pre-order made sense not any more

And lets be honest the track record of certain companies for actually delivering what was "promised" has never been great

So I will sit out the ch47 and the new Afghanistan map until we can make an informed decision on what our hard earned coin will get us

[LuseKofte]

I disagree entirely. ED modules has a good track record of delivering updates to its pre order customers. There are one or two third party that falls under your envelope. And they are not a major player in this game. 
Pre order make a lot of sense. And I am not following your chain of thought at all. 
We must learn a new system , we will be able to do so until more feature come. And we will know what to do with that feature when it arrive. Pre order got a bad reputation because of noisy drama queens do not know what it means buying access to an early access module. You are basically a cadet testing a beta. If you’re not up for it don’t. If you are buy. 

[XCNuse]

1 minute ago, LuseKofte said:

I disagree entirely. ED modules has a good track record of delivering updates to its pre order customers. There are one or two third party that falls under your envelope. And they are not a major player in this game. 
Pre order make a lot of sense. And I am not following your chain of thought at all. 
We must learn a new system , we will be able to do so until more feature come. And we will know what to do with that feature when it arrive. Pre order got a bad reputation because of noisy drama queens do not know what it means buying access to an early access module. You are basically a cadet testing a beta. If you’re not up for it don’t. If you are buy. 

Clearly you forgot the F16 release; where it came without .... well, much of anything.

ED said they "won't go this early again", but; from what they've shown that still doesn't seem to be stopping them from releasing a module where the cockpit gauges don't even seem fully functional which seems like a pretty key component to.. well.. aircraft.

 

Meanwhile the other "problem" with this system; is looking at so many other modules in the EA life; things like startup procedure are re-written time and time again; and at least I personally, get burned out from wanting to use a module because what I learned for that first year of early access, becomes no longer the functioning way; and I have to relearn it.

 

To me it's like that bicycle that  has backwards steering.
Be taught how to do something one way for so long.... I would rather give up and move on than trying to relearn something that was supposedly wrong the whole time.

[AdrianL]

2 hours ago, XCNuse said:

I would rather give up and move on

Simple. Then do not pre-order or buy EA. Buy the module when you think it is in a good state.

But if people are happy to learn and grow with the module, regardless of how it changes, then that's fine too.

You have a choice.  I never understand why people make a big fuss out of this. 

Edited April 30, 2024 by AdrianL

[LuseKofte]

7 hours ago, XCNuse said:

Clearly you forgot the F16 release; where it came without .... well, much of anything.

Yet that is the risk you take. One too early. One mistake and you call out a fiasco. One of many. 
Do you think any other sim is better. GB spent 9 years fixing one plane. I won’t even mention msfs. And here you are pointing out one mistake. On an early access , by any terms that was a beta to start with. 
it is simply not enough, to a normal community to collect the torches and forks 

But yeah you know. It got to be a storm. 

Edited April 30, 2024 by LuseKofte

[Migparts]

Pre payment of digital goods without a fixed and specific release date, isn’t a suitable course of action for me anymore. 
 

Nevertheless, I Will buy the CH 47 once released. 

Edited May 2, 2024 by Migparts

[Rosly]

On 4/30/2024 at 5:10 PM, LuseKofte said:

We must learn a new system... Pre order got a bad reputation because of noisy drama queens do not know what it means buying access to an early access module

For god sake!!! Are you serious?

First rush and premature announcement of the Ch-47F without feature list. Than "strip down" (to put it mildly) of existing "full fidelity" modules as Flaming Cliffs 2024. What next? Stickers and loot boxes? Paid plane skins?
If this is the "new system" than I'm out. Sorry ... this is clear sign something is really, really wrong.
The point is some of us spend a lot (and I mean rally a lot) of $ for this game. Even more for gear which works only with this game. We supported ED like no other community buying almost every DLC, signing up for pre-orders and spending endless hours in DCS over years! We design missions, write mods and spend endless hours together in virtual sky's. We all accept some level of business oddness (priority on paid modules not engine, terrain, ground units and stability) as we all know the reality and exactly how this business works and how it is kept afloat.
If you do not feel difference between early access, pre orders and current situation, than sorry. There is something wrong with your perspective, not those who asking questions.

PS: "We must learn a new system..." ... Gosh...

Edited May 2, 2024 by Rosly

[DD_Fenrir]

5 minutes ago, Rosly said:

For god sake!!! Are you serious?

First rush and premature announcement of the Ch-47F without feature list. Than "strip down" (to put it mildly) of existing "full fidelity" modules as Flaming Cliffs 2024. What next? Stickers and loot boxes? Paid plane skins?
If this is the "new system" than I'm out. Sorry ... this is clear sign something is really, really wrong.
The point is some of us spend a lot (and I mean rally a lot) of $ for this game. We supported ED like no other community buying almost every DLC, and spending endless hours in DCS for years! We know exactly how this business works and how it is kept floating.
If you do not feel difference between early access, pre orders and current situation, than sorry. There is something wrong with your perspective, not those who asking questions.

 

What the heck are you prattling on about?

Nothing has changed at all. The CH-47 is being released into EA exactly the same way as every other module preceding it; the “dumbed down” F-5, F-86 and MiG-15 just add scope for the entry level DCS participants and take nothing from the owners of their FF equivalents.

You’re finding phantom and spooks where there aren’t even shadows. Go take some Ritalin.

[Rosly]

4 minutes ago, DD_Fenrir said:

What the heck are you prattling on about?

1) Find another pre-order without feature set listed in the past.
2) Those are already pretty simple avionics. Beside autostart - how those will differ from FF? What is the point other than $ income?