waiting for resolution RAZBAM Situation Post Archive (will be deleted)

[Frost]

9 minutes ago, Romandv said:

It is time to forget about these modules, it is very strange why there is further discussion when there is no new information (and will not be). Each of the modules already has some problem and if in the new patch ED will fix it, there is no point in it - there will be no full-fledged support now anyway.

 

This module is basically like a loved one in a coma and on life support. Even if it starts breathing again by itself, it will still be in a coma. But you just can't let that thing go. This whole situation is a frustrating mix of stupid ol' hope, wanting to let go and an annoying "leave no module behind" mentality. 

[Romandv]

48 minutes ago, Frost said:

This module is basically like a loved one in a coma and on life support. Even if it starts breathing again by itself, it will still be in a coma. But you just can't let that thing go. This whole situation is a frustrating mix of stupid ol' hope, wanting to let go and an annoying "leave no module behind" mentality. 

Hmm, yeah, I think I get it now. I guess I just treat these modules differently: good children of bad parents. My only hope is that they have a good foster family.

[BIGNEWY]

1 hour ago, muzica9 said:

except the fact that F-15E radar does not work anymore even if no update was made. strange, right? 

Correct, no update was made to create the radar issue. But it has been reported, we know how it happened and we hope it will be fixed.

thank you 

[Horns]

44 minutes ago, Romandv said:

Hmm, yeah, I think I get it now. I guess I just treat these modules differently: good children of bad parents. My only hope is that they have a good foster family.

Forgive me for visiting the sins of the parent on the kids in this analogy...

The M2K IMO was a pretty basic module until the AdA got involved, years after it was supposedly out of EA. After the dearth of updates earlier in the Harrier's life, that supposedly left EA in 2020 - although I will give Razbam some credit for honesty, as their official Discord's FAQ on the Harrier acknowledges that it still lacks features and concedes that resources are not currently available to complete it, despite the time that's passed since it hit release. It's really sad to see all of that appear to come back around, this time amplified to a complete suspension of support for the F-15E. I hope the current suspension proves temporary and Razbam finish the F-15E at least (I suspect other Harrier folks like me are resigned to it staying as it is), but I think this should probably be Razbam's last module for DCS, and I personally doubt they would be able to sell another after this anyway - although people do have short memories.

Let's hope the development of the SA map doesn't end up running into similar problems, although if that has different devs, that might be a solid reason for hope.

Edited June 22, 2024 by Horns
Changed text to link to Razbam FAQ

[Frost]

Question:
-do all modules check the system date?

-does it communicate directly with the system, or does it get this kind of information relayed via DCS

-and if so, is there a hotfix possible to "fool" the module with a faux system date?

PS: Making the functionality of the modules' radar dependent from a date doesn't make any sense in the first place. I could understand anything that works

      with magnetic headings, or FMC databases, but a radar?

Edited June 22, 2024 by Frost

[SkateZilla]

39 minutes ago, Frost said:

Question:
-do all modules check the system date?

-does it communicate directly with the system, or does it get this kind of information relayed via DCS

-and if so, is there a hotfix possible to "fool" the module with a faux system date?

PS: Making the functionality of the modules' radar dependent from a date doesn't make any sense in the first place. I could understand anything that is dependent

      from magnetic headings, or FMC databases, but a radar?

 

In the case of the F-15E,

the Radar systems Library makes several function calls to Environment.System.GetSystemTimeAsFileTime

[Frost]

19 minutes ago, SkateZilla said:

the Radar systems Library makes several function calls to Environment.System.GetSystemTimeAsFileTime

But what does the date have to do with the Radar? The ground Radar works with true headings and coordinates I suppose. Both never change. What is the reason behind the inquirie?

Edited June 22, 2024 by Frost

[jojyrocks]

Let's see. A steam user here, meaning wont be ever getting my refunds. It is very worrying to see that not one, like the Hawk module which bought, but it was so badly modelled that I refunded it. But with RAZBAM, yet another Hawk module fiasco, but with FOUR modules! which cannot be refunded as I happen to be a steam user.

These modules seem to be imploding slowly, F-15E, radar not working, which makes it almost dead, AV-8B virus detect alerts. Now we are all forced to wait as this has now become a legal debacle. Me being a steam user makes it all the more...depressing as there is no prospect of refunds. 

 

It seems to me at least ED never really took any precautions after the HAWK fiasco or could not get the source code as a safe guard. Now this is, Hawk module, purchased 4 times, pricier than the Hawk too...

 

[AndyJWest]

Somewhere on Youtube (can't be bothered to search) there is a video about a bug that stopped certain HP printers from printing from an application (a database, I think). But only on Tuesdays...

[Njinsa]

23 minutes ago, Frost said:

But what does the date have to do with the Radar? The ground Radar works with true headings and coordinates I suppose. Both never change. What is the reason behind the inquirie?

 

INS calibration / PVU comes to a mind.

[Mizzy]

1 hour ago, jojyrocks said:

Let's see. A steam user here, meaning wont be ever getting my refunds. It is very worrying to see that not one, like the Hawk module which bought, but it was so badly modelled that I refunded it. But with RAZBAM, yet another Hawk module fiasco, but with FOUR modules! which cannot be refunded as I happen to be a steam user.

These modules seem to be imploding slowly, F-15E, radar not working, which makes it almost dead, AV-8B virus detect alerts. Now we are all forced to wait as this has now become a legal debacle. Me being a steam user makes it all the more...depressing as there is no prospect of refunds. 

It seems to me at least ED never really took any precautions after the HAWK fiasco or could not get the source code as a safe guard. Now this is, Hawk module, purchased 4 times, pricier than the Hawk too...

 

Calm down, don't bring the Hawk 'fiasco' into this. The Hawk wasn't a dispute, it was the incompetence of the development people that didn't know what they were doing but pretended they did. Modules are NOT imploding slowly at all, they are getting updated and fixed all the time, even sometimes the modules that are not in early access get fixed if an update breaks something. This will be the same with the Harrier, Mirage and Mig19. The latter won't get any new features because they are feature complete now, or classified as such, but they will get fixes if ED updates break them because that's not the responsibility of the 3rd Party developer.

So, calm down, it's really only the F-15e that's causing all the fuss, and of course Razbam going public when they spat out their dummy.

Mizzy

[Hammer1-1]

28 minutes ago, Mizzy said:

Calm down, don't bring the Hawk 'fiasco' into this. The Hawk wasn't a dispute, it was the incompetence of the development people that didn't know what they were doing but pretended they did. Modules are NOT imploding slowly at all, they are getting updated and fixed all the time, even sometimes the modules that are not in early access get fixed if an update breaks something. This will be the same with the Harrier, Mirage and Mig19. The latter won't get any new features because they are feature complete now, or classified as such, but they will get fixes if ED updates break them because that's not the responsibility of the 3rd Party developer.

So, calm down, it's really only the F-15e that's causing all the fuss, and of course Razbam going public when they spat out their dummy.

Mizzy

Well, supposedly the AV8B is feature complete....last I heard (and its been a while honestly), they were upgrading features on the harrier to later versions like the TPOD, and the training missions were still in development. Again its been a while and not sure if thats been remedied yet, but last time I tried a training mission with learning the litening pod most of the button pushes were wrong. Again, not sure if its complete yet, and correct me if I am wrong PLEASE...but I dont think these modules are completed.

[Dallenbach]

vor 26 Minuten schrieb Hammer1-1:

Well, supposedly the AV8B is feature complete....last I heard (and its been a while honestly), they were upgrading features on the harrier to later versions like the TPOD, and the training missions were still in development. Again its been a while and not sure if thats been remedied yet, but last time I tried a training mission with learning the litening pod most of the button pushes were wrong. Again, not sure if its complete yet, and correct me if I am wrong PLEASE...but I dont think these modules are completed.

Since the plane was taken out of Early Access and these features are not in the description, you can't insist on them. That's life.

 

[nessuno0505]

Supposedly the av-8b is feature complete. The M2K was, too, but has been further developed after the AdA affair. RB intended to further upgrade the av-8b using F-15E technology, and that was one of the reasons why there is not a complete av-8b manual yet. Now the F-15E will never be completed and the av-8b will remain forever in its current state, at best.

6 ore fa, TheFreshPrince ha scritto:

So basically already at DCS 3.0 it would be very likely over with RB modules. 

Is this situation holding up new DCS updates in general btw.? Meaning ED doesn't want to break the modules, so they hold back updates? 

The matter will be "solved" a lot earlier than DCS 3.0, IMHO: the legal debate will take years and DCS cannot stop or slow its development to wait for RB's modules: too many new airplanes, helicopters and maps incoming, and all this bad story has to be forgotten as soon as possible. So I agree with you: at best RB's modules will expire with DCS 3.0, but more likely even earlier: when the bugs and broken systems have reached a critical mass, it will be ED's lawyers themselves who will prevent them from being sold in the store and they will end up at least in an indefinite pause. When the legal debate will be over and the modules will possibly be unlocked again, we'll have forgotten them long ago. I hope I'm wrong, but that's my prediction.

Edited June 22, 2024 by nessuno0505

[YoYo]

Picture of my friend from Today, he has Harrier from 2 years. However no issue of my AV8B.

Maybe DCS bug with authorization?

[rob10]

1 minute ago, YoYo said:

Picture of my friend from Today, he has Harrier from 2 years. However no issue of my AV8B.

Maybe DCS bug with authorization?

It's almost for sure an anti-virus issue.  Check the forums and you'll find that some AV programs are having a bigger hissy fit in particular with Razbam modules currently (mostly the usual "problem" AV's).

[Blackeye]

2 hours ago, Mizzy said:

Modules are NOT imploding slowly at all, they are getting updated and fixed all the time, even sometimes the modules that are not in early access get fixed if an update breaks something. This will be the same with the Harrier, Mirage and Mig19. The latter won't get any new features because they are feature complete now, or classified as such, but they will get fixes if ED updates break them because that's not the responsibility of the 3rd Party developer.

I'm afraid that's not entirely correct. While ED can work around some issues with unmaintained modules, eventually they'll have to decide between improving DCS or keep supporting the old modules. Without access to the source code there is only so much you can do with reasonable effort. Nineline has said that they don't have the source and won't be able to support those modules long term, so "slowly imploding" isn't a bad description for this situation.

[wadman]

1 hour ago, rob10 said:

It's almost for sure an anti-virus issue.  Check the forums and you'll find that some AV programs are having a bigger hissy fit in particular with Razbam modules currently (mostly the usual "problem" AV's).

That may be true, but this AV issue likely is stemming from the lack of Razbam updates as it “magically” only started popping up in the last 2 weeks or so.  

[wadman]

6 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

Correct, no update was made to create the radar issue. But it has been reported, we know how it happened and we hope it will be fixed.

thank you 

Thanks for the transparency - but the fact that you know how it happened but “hope” it will be fixed suggests that Razbam has to fix it.  That means it is dependent on reaching a legal resolution where they resume support.  
Otherwise, why would you say “we HOPE it will be fixed”?  
 

I do hope you guys work things out as it would be a shame to lose the F15E and other RB aircraft!

[BIGNEWY]

25 minutes ago, wadman said:

Thanks for the transparency - but the fact that you know how it happened but “hope” it will be fixed suggests that Razbam has to fix it.  That means it is dependent on reaching a legal resolution where they resume support.  
Otherwise, why would you say “we HOPE it will be fixed”?  
 

I do hope you guys work things out as it would be a shame to lose the F15E and other RB aircraft!

Everything we do has to follow strict protocol, and that takes time. We will share more news when we can. 

thank you 

[Notso]

20 hours ago, NineLine said:

WINWING also announced a FFB base as well, seems pretty cool so far, but I am OT

 

Went to the 'petting zoo' as well.

Please get back on topic.  Thanks!

 

[SkateZilla]

How can people still be replying to this thread with the same AV Authorization problem assuming it's RB modules breaking over this?,
Like read the 1st post already. It's borderline intentional kool aid stirring at this point.

Edited June 22, 2024 by SkateZilla

[beacon]

On 6/18/2024 at 11:05 AM, BIGNEWY said:

Edited for clarity

thanks

Hello bignewy or Matt, please try to bring Rasbam back i dont what the issue is here try to make good aggreements with this company and if that fails, then yes then we need a refund of the f15E. Try in the future to work with better companies; can you please promise us that?

1 hour ago, BIGNEWY said:

Everything we do has to follow strict protocol, and that takes time. We will share more news when we can. 

thank you 

Sometimes the protocoll is not that clear for others or even they know about. Maybe tell them how the protocol is . By that they will know excactly what to do. I know this muyself , in my job we tons of protocols and even i dont know them all in my head

[scommander2]

7 hours ago, jojyrocks said:

A steam user here, meaning wont be ever getting my refunds.

Yes, I am also steam user and I see lots of complains about F-15E mod in the user review, especially asking for their refunds (may not work I guess).  I think that it is too far to tell now or jump into the conclusion. 

[Hammer1-1]

5 hours ago, Dallenbach said:

Since the plane was taken out of Early Access and these features are not in the description, you can't insist on them. That's life.

 

Id insist the things work the way they intended it to originally. At the very least, Id expect the training missions match the aircrafts function. Wouldnt want anyone to think somethings broken when the manual says to do it one way (unfinished too last I recalled), the training mission to do it another way (again, unfinished last I recall), and the actual way it works would be referenced correctly. Again, thats not the case. Just because its out of EA doesnt mean its finished for some odd reason with Razbam...guess I could ask Baltic Dragon if either has been finished or not.

Edited June 23, 2024 by Hammer1-1