waiting for resolution RAZBAM Situation Post Archive (will be deleted)

[stonewall197922]

2 часа назад, Koty сказал:

To be fair, even without going into the whats and whys, are people really expecting the modules to be supported for free?

That said, yes, sticking to official announcements is good. As opposed to some people believing information that does not come even from the "unofficial" conversations, and is just pure fabrication.

To be fair, you need EXACTLY understand what caused payment suspencion and that whole problem. And Ron said nothing why ED suspended payments. (If he do this, he will loose more customers. So he`ll  continue to blame everyone but himself). I belive that ED have good resons to suspend payments, otherwise it will cost them. Every agreement have warranty terms, and sides agrees to fullfill them.  No matter if all funds under agrement recieved or not, product is already delivered to customers. In this case RB at least should fix issues with its products. If you dont want to support it anymore, ask contractor to remove your products from sales. Even if final payments is done, you must support your product for a some period of time(fixing all malfunctions and problems usually done in expence of supplier/developer/manufacturer/provider). Its up to Ron Zambrano how to and when to pay to HIS emploees and where to get funds for it. You don`t know how much funds were already transfered to/from RB under agreements with ED. 

Edited October 9, 2024 by stonewall197922

[Mizzy]

On 10/8/2024 at 4:29 PM, Koty said:

This is simply not true. It's no easier than getting banned off the dcs forum, or ED discord. The rule is very simple, do not try and rile people up just for the sake of it.
Also not sure why you'd conflate the dcs exposed subreddit with rb cord.

The same people are on both Reddit and Discord which is why I combined the two. Razbam's Discord is only monitored (by people that do not like ED) for any ED favourable posts, they do not allow any critique against Zambrano. However, it appears you are getting mixed up with critique and flaming, that means you disagree with my perceptions and I disagree with yours.

DCS Exposed is very simple to understand, if you support ED, you simply get banned because the whole point of the site is to knock ED. I am sure you can understand why this practice is prevalent. RBs Discord has a similar trait, it's not there to support ED. it's there to support Zambrano and manipulated as such.  

This makes it an agree to disagree situation and therefore not up to further discussion because it will just go round in circles. Best regards.

Mizzy

[plott1964]

16 minutes ago, Mizzy said:

The same people are on both Reddit and Discord which is why I combined the two. Razbam's Discord is only monitored (by people that do not like ED) for any ED favourable posts, they do not allow any critique against Zambrano. However, it appears you are getting mixed up with critique and flaming, that means you disagree with my perceptions and I disagree with yours.

DCS Exposed is very simple to understand, if you support ED, you simply get banned because the whole point of the site is to knock ED. I am sure you can understand why this practice is prevalent. RBs Discord has a similar trait, it's not there to support ED. it's there to support Zambrano and manipulated as such.  

This makes it an agree to disagree situation and therefore not up to further discussion because it will just go round in circles. Best regards.

Mizzy

Absolutely and entirely correct! Thanks Mizzy.

[scommander2]

26 minutes ago, Mizzy said:

The same people are on both Reddit and Discord which is why I combined the two. Razbam's Discord is only monitored (by people that do not like ED) for any ED favourable posts, they do not allow any critique against Zambrano. However, it appears you are getting mixed up with critique and flaming, that means you disagree with my perceptions and I disagree with yours.

DCS Exposed is very simple to understand, if you support ED, you simply get banned because the whole point of the site is to knock ED. I am sure you can understand why this practice is prevalent. RBs Discord has a similar trait, it's not there to support ED. it's there to support Zambrano and manipulated as such.  

This makes it an agree to disagree situation and therefore not up to further discussion because it will just go round in circles. Best regards.

Mizzy

Thanks, Mizzy.  It's getting sour now.

[Mizzy]

4 hours ago, scommander2 said:

Thanks, Mizzy.  It's getting sour now.

Yes it is getting very sour, but have you noticed the sour narrative was created by Zambrano not telling the truth about the dispute !

Zambrano went public about a private dispute claiming non payment for whatever and non specific as to why. He failed to tell the truth in his public statement what the real reason is for ED to take such action. Why didn't Zambrano keep his trap shut on a private matter ! Well that is his choice but reading his statement on the front page of this thread does not sound plausible in the extreme. There is a good Cop and a bad Cop here, take your pick given the evidence.

nite nite people, but DCS is better off without the salesman zambrano in my opinion.

Mizzy 

[nessuno0505]

Il 09/10/2024 at 03:31, Ignition ha scritto:

 

I already learned the F-16C after 4 years flying it. The next was going to be the F-15E. No there's no other aircraft which I enjoy to learn.

Try the A-10C, you might fall in love with DCS again

[ebabil]

First of all, I hope F-15E will be saved somehow. It is one of the best-looking airframes ever. I don't want to lose it forever. 

Secondly, we people here don't know or care about the third-party developers. We only know and care about ED. In cases like this, customers should be protected by ED's actions. The best choice here is to take over the module. I don't know about programming, source codes, etc but this is the best solution in my opinion. This module is still being sold without notifying the new customers which is not right.

[draconus]

6 minutes ago, ebabil said:

This module is still being sold without notifying the new customers which is not right.

What is not right? Did you read the OP?

[Koziolek]

1 hour ago, draconus said:

What is not right? Did you read the OP?

I agree that ED cannot stop selling it, but it does not mean there cannot be a disclaimer of some sort

Edited October 10, 2024 by Koziolek

[Mizzy]

4 minutes ago, Koziolek said:

I agree that ED cannot stop selling it, but it does not mean there cannot be a disclaimer of some sort

 

Yes, I personally understand. However, putting a disclaimer on the product is kind of telling people not to buy it and this would cause more legal ramblings much the same as taking it off sale. What would be the wording of the disclaimer etc. I have a feeling this is coming to a conclusion and I hope so. My Partner does too as he says I spend more time rambling on this thread than I do playing the game 

Mizzy

[Rudel_chw]

11 minutes ago, Mizzy said:

I have a feeling this is coming to a conclusion and I hope so.

 

I truly hope you are correct on this feeling 

 

11 minutes ago, Mizzy said:

My Partner does too as he says I spend more time rambling on this thread than I do playing the game 

 

He may be on to something there ... I try to not even enter this thread, as reading it depresses me and takes out all the joy that flying DCS may bring to me 

[draconus]

1 hour ago, Koziolek said:

I agree that ED cannot stop selling it, but it does not mean there cannot be a disclaimer of some sort

Yeah, there should be: "What are you waiting for? Buy this aircraft now. Fly the iconic Strike Eagle!"

[Mizzy]

1 hour ago, Rudel_chw said:

I try to not even enter this thread, as reading it depresses me and takes out all the joy that flying DCS may bring to me 

I think you probably speak for many here Eduardo. It's like many people don't watch the news because it is very depressing. Unfortunately, I am like a dog with a bone. Anyway, let's see what Zambrano has to say "soon" !!

Mizzy

[Mainstay]

New and exciting business! According to him… gonna end up very disappointing is my guess. 

[Mizzy]

2 hours ago, Mainstay said:

New and exciting business! According to him… gonna end up very disappointing is my guess. 

Agreed, I don't think it's a guess, you are on to the right track and that is hot air coming from Zambrano. All that money he has spent on the Tokyo event, don't you think he could have used that money to pay his disgruntled employees who developed the F15E ? If he can afford to hold such an event, he obviously isn't interested in paying his employees first. !!  Come on, the evidence is Zambrano is acting like a double glazing salesman and people in the UK will know what I mean and where I am coming from. 

Mizzy

[freehand]

You will find some one having a shower and this will be just a dream,

[exhausted]

On 10/9/2024 at 2:11 AM, Goetsch said:

It's easy to miss out on a lot if you only follow the ED forums.

My point is, don't buy one until the ED/RB conflict is resolved, it's highly unethical to encourage a purchase when the F-15E is riddled with bugs and could be out of updates for years or permanently, and I'm sure most people here agree with that sentiment.

Of course I can understand if the above point is a valid reason for RB to pull the plug on me as you claim, but I think it's an extremely unprofessional PR move.

 

 

 

 

This cannot be overstated. That's a reasonable conclusion for caution while the ultimate disposition is pending, but I don't think RB is looking to pull the plug on anyone for merely discussing what is being learned.

[Ignition]

17 hours ago, nessuno0505 said:

Try the A-10C, you might fall in love with DCS again

I've used it a LOT for years also. and the Ka-50. Great aircrafts yes but I already have many hours like in the F-16. In fact when Razbam stopped the development the A-10CII was one of my options but after so many years flying it I discarded it after a few days or trying. Then I went back to the F-18C but I don't like the way it flies.

Some people just want to fly a random aircraft each day but I only fly 1 aircraft for some years until I develop my own tactics, then I move to another . That's why its difficult for me to chose the right thing. The F-15E was the best choice since it has a lot of tools/systems and multicrew. It is what it is and DCS is not offering much for me now.

Edited October 11, 2024 by Ignition

[Fisu_MAD]

There is one thing that ED should control and that is the hijacking of iconic planes by incompetent third parties.

It is a real shame that these planes at some point stop working because the code or development has not been as clean or complete as it should have been.

I don't want to go into details of each of the affected planes, but it is a real shame that these planes only meet the minimum requirements to be fun and are full of bugs and features that they should have.

I bought all RB products, not because of RB but because of the plane. I wish another third party had developed it or ED itself, well I think the quality standards are set in the contracts. That is where work needs to be done.

This is said by a former F15E owner, who has stopped flying one of his favorite planes. There are many other planes within DCS, that is the good thing about this platform and for that I thank ED. If a third party wants to get off the train, then let them do so without leaving all their customers hanging and without making noise.

It would be a mistake for RB to return to developing for ED in my opinion. Their reputation leaves a lot to be desired. Stay away from bad influences.

For RB Fan Boys, there is their Reddit or their Discord. DCS is not just RB, there is much more talent and professionalism here than that shown by RB. I only hope that when RB leaves DCS, what it has developed incompletely can be taken up in some way by ED to be able to give continuity and improvements to these modules.

I would be careful about doing business with a company like RB, over time the prince becomes a frog.

[TKhaos]

9 hours ago, Mizzy said:

Come on, the evidence is Zambrano is acting like a double glazing salesman and people in the UK will know what I mean and where I am coming from.

Reminds me of the old days "I say you buy one, you get one free" although he was more about dodging paying income tax, not employees

[TKhaos]

12 hours ago, Mainstay said:

New and exciting business! According to him… gonna end up very disappointing is my guess. 

Razbam have apparently been working on modelling for the AgustaWestland TH-73A/AW119 Koala, Bell 206 and UH-60 Blackhawk the last few months.

Vrgineers comes up a lot so maybe it’s got something to do with pilot training in VR. They have mentioned the 3D modelling of the JHMCS as well and that’s it’s already in the pilot model.

MSFS has been mentioned a few times as well, still have to wait and see if that gets gaffer taped out the same as Microprose

[some1]

1 hour ago, Fisu_MAD said:

DCS is not just RB, there is much more talent and professionalism here than that shown by RB. I only hope that when RB leaves DCS, what it has developed incompletely can be taken up in some way by ED to be able to give continuity and improvements to these modules.

ED does not have the will, manpower or the source code to continue development. They made it very clear.

Heatblur has enough projects of their own to last them for the better part of this decade.

Other 3rd parties are small studios that need years to finish one relatively simple aircraft.

In many ways, it looks like DCS in 2024 is shrinking, not growing. It's a rather bleak picture.

[BIGNEWY]

Folks please stick to DCS here in this thread. 

8 minutes ago, some1 said:

ED does not have the will, manpower or the source code to continue development. They made it very clear.

Heatblur has enough projects of their own to last them for the better part of this decade.

Other 3rd parties are small studios that need years to finish one relatively simple aircraft.

In many ways, it looks like DCS in 2024 is shrinking, not growing. It's a rather bleak picture.

For some people it is always a bleak picture, it depends on who you are and your outlook, post history is always a good indicator. 

For everyone else they can see the work being done, they follow the news and our change logs. DCS growing and expanding as it always has and will continue to. 

thank you 

[Devil 505]

2 hours ago, some1 said:

In many ways, it looks like DCS in 2024 is shrinking, not growing. It's a rather bleak picture.

Name 1 year since the Black Shark came out in 2008 that this statement is accurate.

[some1]

 

3 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

For everyone else they can see the work being done, they follow the news and our change logs. DCS growing and expanding as it always has and will continue to.

I don't see any work being done on Razbam modules in the news or changelogs, or did I miss something? We're in Razbam thread, what does DCS improvements in other areas have to do with future development of Razbam modules if they decide to walk away? There isn't anyone else out there to take the mantle and finish the work, or even do the required maintenance, that's what I meant in previous post.

 

1 hour ago, Devil 505 said:

Name 1 year since the Black Shark came out in 2008 that this statement is accurate.

2024.

According to Steam numbers, DCS player count is the lowest in 4 years.

According to ED site, peak MP server count was more than 1,5 years ago. I don't play MP myself but I saw some complaints that servers are not as populated as they used to.

No new 3rd party developers announced in 2024, no new 3rd party projects, the only new aircraft announced in 2024 so far is ED MiG-29. Either everyone keeps their cards close, or there's not much to talk about.

Of course DCS is far from dying, and ED vs. Razbam dispute did not cause all of this, but it certainly does not help with player retention.

Edited October 11, 2024 by some1