waiting for resolution RAZBAM Situation Post Archive (will be deleted)

[NineLine]

35 minutes ago, mikey69420 said:

it's soon gonna be a year since the razbam thing was made public. You'll have to find another excuse eventually

It's not an excuse. It's the way it is. Thanks. 

[Mike Force Team]

I saw the Razbam-Prowler screenshot. It sounds like RZ is ready for the dispute to be resolved. 

One likely outcome is that ED and RZ burn bridges. I am saying they might agree to end their business relationships.  We don't know if RZ modules will be taken over by ED or those modules might be deprecated. 

Since we have not received official updates from ED for about a year regarding the payment dispute, the breakdown in communication,  the inability to overcome problems, and lack of timely technical updates fo RZ modules seem to be say they are done with RZ.

Mike Force Team 

 

[av8orDave]

7 minutes ago, Mike Force Team said:

I saw the Razbam-Prowler screenshot. It sounds like RZ is ready for the dispute to be resolved. 

One likely outcome is that ED and RZ burn bridges. I am saying they might agree to end their business relationships.  We don't know if RZ modules will be taken over by ED or those modules might be deprecated. 

Since we have not received official updates from ED for about a year regarding the payment dispute, the breakdown in communication,  the inability to overcome problems, and lack of timely technical updates fo RZ modules seem to be say they are done with RZ.

Mike Force Team 

 

While it would be easy to assume they're done with RZ, I was once leading a business that got into a contract dispute with a customer. They didn't hold up their end of the deal, so we stopped holding up ours. After about 18 months of lawyers, we reached an agreement that neither side liked, but continued to work together, as we needed each other. Granted, these were both very large, fortune 200 businesses, so egos were possibly less of a limiting factor than just doing what made business sense.

All that to say while it seems like they'd be done with one another, if working together makes sense, it makes sense.

[TheFreshPrince]

10 months^TM

[PLUTON]

Personally I think that the dispute between ED and RZ should not concern us unless we lose the modules.
I spend 90% of my time on the simulator flying with the Mirage 2000
from RZ so if ED does not take back the modules I have no interest in staying on this sim.
I think I am not the only one to think that.
So gentlemen at ED think of us too.
Thank you in advance I and we are counting on you

[Beirut]

18 minutes ago, Ignition said:

 . . .  most DCS players just buy multiple modules and don't study or develop their own tactics with a single aircraft. 

 

That's perhaps too large a brush to paint "most players" with. You have no idea how most players fly. 

 

Other than to say most players enjoy flying, the rest is guesswork at best and maybe a bit presumptuous at worst.

[rob10]

1 hour ago, Beirut said:

That's perhaps too large a brush to paint "most players" with. You have no idea how most players fly. 

Other than to say most players enjoy flying, the rest is guesswork at best and maybe a bit presumptuous at worst.

Guess I'm not "most players" either.  I own a bunch of modules, but I fly the F-18 almost exclusively these days.  Just from the forums it's pretty obvious there is no generalizable "most players" when it comes to anything DCS.

[Mizzy]

27 minutes ago, rob10 said:

Guess I'm not "most players" either.  I own a bunch of modules, but I fly the F-18 almost exclusively these days.  Just from the forums it's pretty obvious there is no generalizable "most players" when it comes to anything DCS.

Very true indeed !

Mizzy

[Mizzy]

2 hours ago, Beirut said:

 

That's perhaps too large a brush to paint "most players" with. You have no idea how most players fly. 

Indeed. Why people think they speak for others is rude to say the least.

Mizzy

[Beirut]

1 hour ago, rob10 said:

Guess I'm not "most players" either.  I own a bunch of modules, but I fly the F-18 almost exclusively these days.  Just from the forums it's pretty obvious there is no generalizable "most players" when it comes to anything DCS.

 

If we are going to generalize, then it would be safe to say "most players" would like ED and RB to kiss and make up and for the F-15E to get a year's worth of updates all at once.

 

I feel like I'm on solid ground with that one. 

[bruto12]

Il 03/02/2025 at 00:18, NineLine ha scritto:

And there lies the issue: reading into what people say instead of just reading what people say. It makes it hard to keep this thread open because all we can do is hang tight and let the legal things do legal things, and hopefully, everyone lands on their feet. 

May I just ask a question to ED representative that - I hope -  should not breach any confidentil duty/obligation in the ED/Razban litigation? Is there a time expected to see a conclusion in the challange, whatever conclusion will be? a court decision, e.g.?  

[felixx75]

1 minute ago, bruto12 said:

May I just ask a question to ED representative that - I hope -  should not breach any confidentil duty/obligation in the ED/Razban litigation? Is there a time expected to see a conclusion in the challange, whatever conclusion will be? a court decision, e.g.?  

I am not an employee of ED or similar, but even I can answer this question for you.

No.

As soon as there is something to report, we will be able to read it here in the first post of this thread.

[BIGNEWY]

8 minutes ago, bruto12 said:

May I just ask a question to ED representative that - I hope -  should not breach any confidentil duty/obligation in the ED/Razban litigation? Is there a time expected to see a conclusion in the challange, whatever conclusion will be? a court decision, e.g.?  

Hi bruto12, 

as soon as we can share any news we will, for now we continue to wait for a resolution to the dispute. 

thank you 

[PLUTON]

Beirut said:
Apart from the fact that most players like to fly, the rest is at best conjecture and at worst maybe a little presumptuous.

I wouldn't allow myself to speak for others (I simply read it at a certain time as if there were people who only flew with a certain module more than another) in addition I am like you a grain of sand among all the people who are subscribed to DCS, but since you think that I am presumptuous I do not think so.
It is you who says "most players" not me because I simply said (I think that I am not the only one to think that) this sentence says what it means (I am not the only one) does not mean "most" it means 1/2/3 or a few.
So Mr. I know everything do not exaggerate my words.
Thank you in advance

[BIGNEWY]

folks a reminder, if you are going to post here please stick to the rules 

thank you 

[Beirut]

51 minutes ago, PLUTON said:

Thank you in advance

 

You're welcome. 

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

On 2/3/2025 at 11:42 AM, mikey69420 said:

it's soon gonna be a year since the razbam thing was made public. You'll have to find another excuse eventually

Follow this math:
ED stops selling RB modules.
RB and ED make up and find a resolution, everybody's happy.
That would mean RB is only due the payment owed since they the cessation of payments halted and the point at which ED pulled their modules. At absolute most, this is all they could get.

That would leave several months of potential sales lost and who does this hurt the most? RB. It's really that simple, ED probably has to maintain those sales and will owe RB once they get back to the grindstone.

Ignoring those or refusal to recognize this, intentionally, is to act in bad faith at this point.

[LordOrion]

1 hour ago, MiG21bisFishbedL said:

Follow this math:
ED stops selling RB modules.
RB and ED make up and find a resolution, everybody's happy.
That would mean RB is only due the payment owed since they the cessation of payments halted and the point at which ED pulled their modules. At absolute most, this is all they could get.

That would leave several months of potential sales lost and who does this hurt the most? RB. It's really that simple, ED probably has to maintain those sales and will owe RB once they get back to the grindstone.

Ignoring those or refusal to recognize this, intentionally, is to act in bad faith at this point.

This option has been already discussed in the past and one of the possibilities being considered as explanation is that this behavior (stopping selling RB modules) could be a breach of contract by ED, which is something I believe ED wants to avoid.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

50 minutes ago, LordOrion said:

This option has been already discussed in the past and one of the possibilities being considered as explanation is that this behavior (stopping selling RB modules) could be a breach of contract by ED, which is something I believe ED wants to avoid.

Exactly. Better to fork over what's owed in total as opposed to give the other side a definite W.

By doing so, ED would be heavily compromising its position.

[Shibbyland]

Unable to access F-15e store page on steam at the moment but other products appear unaffected.

Any body else notice this? Does this have anything to do with this issue?

[Beirut]

11 minutes ago, Shibbyland said:

Unable to access F-15e store page on steam at the moment but other products appear unaffected.

Any body else notice this? Does this have anything to do with this issue?

 

Still there on Steam.

[LordOrion]

42 minutes ago, Beirut said:

 

Still there on Steam.

Same for me

[Mad Dog 762]

On 2/4/2025 at 12:30 PM, PLUTON said:

Personally I think that the dispute between ED and RZ should not concern us unless we lose the modules.
 

Yes, it does and should, for two reasons....first, many many of us bought the F-15E, which is nowhere near complete.  It needs several more years of work, and that work is not happening, even if this dispute is eventually resolved it has put the Strike Eagle at least a year behind where it should be in development.  And eventually, the inability of ED to update the RazBam modules is eventually going to lead to them being "frozen" at a given update, like what happened to us in the past....so yeah, they will work, as long as you stop updating your DCS core.  Neither of these situations is acceptable.  And sadly, while ED will look out for their interests in court, and RazBam will look out for theirs, NO ONE is looking out for ours, the customers.

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[kotor633]

At first glance, it doesn't sound too bad. I hope that things will continue to move forward with the Av8B... The crucial question is WHEN this nonsense will finally be over and things will move on...