F-5E-3 Remaster Skins

[Vampyre]

With the release of the F-5E-3 Remaster, I started my standard MP mission updates for patch day and noted many missing skins from the updated version for countries like Iran and South Korea. I assume the new textures do not work well with the older skins as many of the older F-5E-3 skins have not been included in today's update. Will we see more skins added at a later date?

 

[dSAF Dancer]

I guess the reason for the other skins not being upgraded is that they were originally added after a skin-contest and with the updated model ED might not want or even not be allowed to include them.

[Draken35]

even custom skins are not showing.

[Volator]

Oh man... can I have my old F-5E back with all the cool custom skins that were created for it? The "remastered" F-5 doesn't have any improvements simulation-wise. And no, I wasn't expecting any new radios or four Sidewinders or an effing refueling probe or MFDs, just a fix of the wings snapping or a a less nose-heavy take-off and landing or an old HGU-2 helmet would have been cool...  I don't really need the new looks of the remastered one if I lose all the cool skins from the past.

[virgo47]

It was an instant buy for me, but the lack of skins, especially previously available skins, not even talking about custom ones, is a bit shocking omission. I hope it will be remediated.

[Draken35]

25 minutes ago, Volator said:

Oh man... can I have my old F-5E back with all the cool custom skins that were created for it? The "remastered" F-5 doesn't have any improvements simulation-wise. And no, I wasn't expecting any new radios or four Sidewinders or an effing refueling probe or MFDs, just a fix of the wings snapping or a a less nose-heavy take-off and landing or an old HGU-2 helmet would have been cool...  I don't really need the new looks of the remastered one if I lose all the cool skins from the past.

Just disable the remastered in the modules manager and the old skins will be available. I just tested it.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

Here's a genuine downer. It might because of model changes. Dunno, but I really wanna see some Iranian and SEATO skins return.

[gabuzomeu]

Hi, 

there seems to be two seprate skin directories. 

Did you try moving the user skins in a F-5E folder (or renaming the F-5E-3 folder)

and also copying skins from the game file folder A:\DCS World\CoreMods\aircraft\F-5E\Liveries\F-5E-3 to A:\DCS World\CoreMods\aircraft\F-5E\Liveries\F-5E

 

[Nodak]

This is actually good news, the old template was no good for making a complex camouflage since it had mirrored textures shared on both sides.  That's why good skins were rather limited along with volume.

[NineLine]

The model is completely new so it would not fit from the old model, even if we tried to line the pieces up. 

On liveries:

New liveries along with a new and more detailed texture template:
Standard neutral grey
Swiss Air Force, 2 tone grey
Austrian Air Force 2, Staffel
Norwegian Air Force 338 sqn 215
“MiG-28” Topgun black
Aggressor Navy blue camouflage VFC-13
Aggressor desert camouflage VFC-13

New liveries coming soon:
Vietnam 1970s
Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force
Imperial Iranian Air Force
Swiss Air Force demo team
Aggressor forest camouflage

The texture template for users to create their own should be available soon and should be no later than the Christmas update.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

19 minutes ago, NineLine said:

Vietnam 1970s

For the sake of clarity, are we talking RVNAF or VPAF? Both operated the type.

70s is kind of vague in that regard, but I'm assuming the former.

Edited December 4, 2024 by MiG21bisFishbedL

[Andurula]

2 hours ago, Draken35 said:

Just disable the remastered in the modules manager and the old skins will be available. I just tested it.

THANK YOU Draken !!!

Wrecking all the existing F-5E user liveries doesn't seem like a good thing to me.  

[Rudel_chw]

24 minutes ago, Andurula said:

Wrecking all the existing F-5E user liveries doesn't seem like a good thing to me. 

 

You can't have a new 3D model for the aircraft while at the same time preserving compatibility with the skins of the older model.

[Andurula]

That may be true but it doesn't make it right.  I put hundreds of hours into my liveries.

I never asked for the new 3D model.  

I won't be buying the new 3D model.

I am just SOL I know.

Lesson learned.

[nairb121]

1 hour ago, NineLine said:

The model is completely new so it would not fit from the old model, even if we tried to line the pieces up. 

On liveries:

New liveries along with a new and more detailed texture template:
Standard neutral grey
Swiss Air Force, 2 tone grey
Austrian Air Force 2, Staffel
Norwegian Air Force 338 sqn 215
“MiG-28” Topgun black
Aggressor Navy blue camouflage VFC-13
Aggressor desert camouflage VFC-13

New liveries coming soon:
Vietnam 1970s
Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force
Imperial Iranian Air Force
Swiss Air Force demo team
Aggressor forest camouflage

The texture template for users to create their own should be available soon and should be no later than the Christmas update.

Is there any hope for the VFC-111 liveries?

[Draken35]

5 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

 

You can't have a new 3D model for the aircraft while at the same time preserving compatibility with the skins of the older model.

Correct.  What I was not expecting was that the remastered would override the legacy, which is cool in some aspects but not in others. I was expecting a situation like the Ka-50 1, 2 & 3 or the A-10C & II... Granted, there is no systems changes in the remastered. 

[Rudel_chw]

2 minutes ago, Draken35 said:

What I was not expecting was that the remastered would override the legacy, which is cool in some aspects but not in others.

 

Agree, but I'm worried not so much for the Skins, but for missions backward compatibility. Have not yet tested it fully, but I wonder if I will be able to re-fly some of the F-5 old missions and Campaigns, since the new F-5 in effect disables the old one.  Why ED did chose that instead of having both aircraft coexist?

 

2 minutes ago, Draken35 said:

I was expecting a situation like the Ka-50 1, 2 & 3 or the A-10C & II... 

 

I was expecting the same   

[dSAF Dancer]

Yep, that they are not coexisting also probably means that if one person has the old tiger and one the new, they won't see each others liveries even if they have them but instead will see the standard tiger. Couldn't test it out yet but thats my guess.

On a different note, they are calling the swiss tiger a generic tiger livery but with the decals it has on its nose it is not generic as only a hand full of airfcraft got the squadron-19 batch. I haven't checked yet but I suspect only one specific aircraft got the text on the other side of the nose.

This would be no biggie if the liveries weren't encrypted and I could just remove those patches but as the liveries are encrypted we'll have to build our own swiss liveries from scratch again.

[Draken35]

9 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

but I wonder if I will be able to re-fly some of the F-5 old

I haven't flown it yet, but I've opened a couple of old mission and with remastered enabled and disabled, and all seems normal,  except for the liveries (which don't matter much to me any way - I'm sure the community will come with new ones and with a way to covert the old ones)

[Santus]

1 hour ago, NineLine said:

The model is completely new so it would not fit from the old model, even if we tried to line the pieces up. 

On liveries:

New liveries along with a new and more detailed texture template:
Standard neutral grey
Swiss Air Force, 2 tone grey
Austrian Air Force 2, Staffel
Norwegian Air Force 338 sqn 215
“MiG-28” Topgun black
Aggressor Navy blue camouflage VFC-13
Aggressor desert camouflage VFC-13

New liveries coming soon:
Vietnam 1970s
Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force
Imperial Iranian Air Force
Swiss Air Force demo team
Aggressor forest camouflage

The texture template for users to create their own should be available soon and should be no later than the Christmas update.

Will we be able to load the model in the model viewer too once the template is out?
Because currently it is not possible to do so!

[Kirk66]

Where are the new skins? I can only see 4: basic AF grey (with new antenna), two Navy aggressor, and a "Mig-28" BS scheme.

Looked in Mission Planner, existing mission, and quick mission.

?

 

[dSAF Dancer]

Just now, Kirk66 said:

Where are the new skins? I can only see 4: basic AF grey (with new antenna), two Navy aggressor, and a "Mig-28" BS scheme.

Looked in Mission Planner, existing mission, and quick mission.

?

 

you probably have to choose the correct country for them to appear

Previousely I would disable this requirement by deleting the country restriction in the description.lua of the liveries but these seem to be encrypted now.

[razo+r]

You can also select one of the "Countries" that has access to all skins, like CJTFB or CJTFR, and I think also the USAF Aggressors.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

44 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

but I wonder if I will be able to re-fly some of the F-5 old missions and Campaigns

Feel free to read the description on the product page. Check the last sentence:

 

[Wyvern]

8 hours ago, NineLine said:

The texture template for users to create their own should be available soon and should be no later than the Christmas update.

What is the point of a template if you cant load EDCE files into the model viewer to view the model while making a skin.
Because without it, you have to launch the game, load into mission editor and then select the aircraft to view each little change, and if for some angles you have to load the mission, then depending on your PC, thats a process that takes up to 5 minutes, which in itself might not be much, but will stack up, and is just something you cant ask of a skin-creator.
Making a good skin takes time, and this will just make it take arguably twice if not 3 times longer, especially since now you have to open the game and wait 5 minutes, just to see that you need to move a layer by a few pixels. And im not even talking about making camos work across texture seams.

Same goes for the upgraded AI models for the S-3, B-1B, and B-52. 

I get that this may be a kind-of niche problem, but its something that shouldnt be hard to implement from what i can tell, since the game already can load EDCE models.

Edited December 5, 2024 by Wyvern