qacarxan Posted January 17 Posted January 17 8 minutes ago, Ogma said: The F-35 is such an odd choice. Why bring this instead of a FF Su-27 if you're going to relax the requirement for the sources ? Why nothing for REDFOR ? Every time we bring the lack of counter part for modern aircraft we were told it was because of classification/ lack of documentation. Since it is apparently not an issue anymore, it would have been a logical choice... Plenty of "demonstrations often filmed and providing great insight" available too... I'd be very excited for more FF REDFOR based on this line of reasoning. And additions to extant REDFOR like Iranian F-4s carrying C-802s, F-14s carrying Fakour-90s, etc! I'm not very excited about the type of aviation an F-35 offers, but I will be happy to have a vanilla AI version to test out air defense systems in the Syria and Iran maps. 5 JF-17, F-14, A-10CII, F-5, Mirage F-1, M-2000C, L-39, Mig-21, F-4, FC3, Syria, PG
F-2 Posted January 17 Posted January 17 51 minutes ago, NineLine said: No, that is not true. a Superhornet, these days, is very possible. Data on them is not an issue. Thanks. Thank you! Future lineup is looking nice 2
Thump Posted January 17 Posted January 17 2 minutes ago, NineLine said: You think the resources spent somewhere on something you think you want, as opposed to an F-35, or maybe we need to pile more people on another project that is currently working. Its not how things work and not true. I think such a jet will bring about many new things to DCS, improvements and additions. So you're saying AAA companies who have hundreds of people could simply do it with 3 and a hamster? Might want to let UBIsoft in on this, they are struggling.
Daze Posted January 17 Posted January 17 The negativity on here is crazy. But I suspect it is the minority that is the loudest. You don't need to buy the plane and you don't need to fly it. I'm sure servers will limit it where necessary to maintain the experience for its regulars. This is incredibly positive imo. I started flying DCS right when the A-10C first came out back in around 2011 I think. To think where it has come in this years is hard to believe. The talk back then was a 3rd party Mig-21 to be the first "fast jet" in the sim, and now we are well and truly spoiled with the selection we have. If ED didn't take these massive leaps then we would still be flying just a small handful of aircaft. So I have to respect it. Personally I'm most excited by the Typhoon - and I think this talks to my point as well that there will be an aircraft for every one to get immersed in. All this will do is bring more attention, customers and ultimately funding to ED, allowing them to continue doing what they're doing in allowing us to live out our fantasy Imagine where we could be in 10 years time... 16 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] First to Fight, First to Strike.
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted January 17 Posted January 17 3 minutes ago, NineLine said: I think such a jet will bring about many new things to DCS, improvements and additions. It'd definitely have to. These are aspects integral to the F-35 experience, much like how we couldn't have an A-6 prior to what the F/A-18 brought in terms of radar capability. 1 Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
ED Team NineLine Posted January 17 ED Team Posted January 17 Just now, Thump said: So you're saying AAA companies who have hundreds of people could simply do it with 3 and a hamster? Might want to let UBIsoft in on this, they are struggling. I dont know what point you are trying to make, but its not about the F-35 anymore. You are wrong about our use of resources, and has nothing to do with any AAA game companies. Thanks. 4 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
HWasp Posted January 17 Posted January 17 This should have been a FC4 level thing with an "educated guess" of a J-20 and Su-57. I don't believe, that this will be accurate, sorry, not a chance. What would I even use this thing in DCS for? Hunt blind 4th gens and drop jdams on targets defended by 1980s SAMs that have no chance? 12 1
ED Team NineLine Posted January 17 ED Team Posted January 17 Just now, HWasp said: This should have been a FC4 level thing with an "educated guess" of a J-20 and Su-57. I don't believe, that this will be accurate, sorry, not a chance. What would I even use this thing in DCS for? Hunt blind 4th gens and drop jdams on targets defended by 1980s SAMs that have no chance? That is your opinion, we do not agree. 7 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
Lyrode Posted January 17 Posted January 17 How is the most crucial thing, sensor system, electronicwarfare, datalink possible to implement? Speaking of weaponnary then it's close to F-16 but that obviously doesn't make up a Gen 5 3
upyr1 Posted January 17 Posted January 17 7 minutes ago, tora117 said: The only reason this is possible is because DCS can't actually support or simulate the meat and potatoes of the F35, which is also the stuff that ED wouldn't be able to get info on. So all it needs to do is drop bombs, shoot missiles, and look pretty, which can be done from public sources and videos. That being said, 99.99% of the player base wont know what they are missing anyways That's a good point to bring up, I know Eagle says DCS needs to be as realistic as possible. However even given that guideline there is that question of what ED considers to be good enough. 1
upyr1 Posted January 17 Posted January 17 20 minutes ago, LordOrion said: Guys, chill down! If you feel the F-35 will be a "forged" module simply don't buy it. There's no need to get out torches and pitchforks: let's let ED work and see what they are capable of doing, if the result is not to our liking no one is forcing us to buy it. That's the only answer here, if you don't want it for any reason don't buy it
Antonius Posted January 17 Posted January 17 Alright, who leaked the F-35 documents to ED? Jokes aside, I'm still somewhat fine with the F-35 module being a bit less documented and full fidelity as older modules, because I'm still curious on what it would be like to operate in such a modern jet and to see what sorts of advanced systems it has, even if the module is a bit more "smoke and mirrors" under the hood due to the lack of documentation. ED will just have to market it as such and I'll be fine buying the module with that in mind, because I've been very curious about the F-35's systems in particular. I just hope that ED will continue to develop and tweak the module over the years as further details and documents about the F-35 become public, to ensure that the module really is and remains as the most accurate representation of the F-35.
upyr1 Posted January 17 Posted January 17 29 minutes ago, NineLine said: A FF Su-27 is possible, but the team that would do that most likely would be the one nose deep in a MiG-29 right now. That's good to hear. I'm looking forward to DCS Flanker. Would the 33 be possible too? 1
TotenDead Posted January 17 Posted January 17 7 минут назад, upyr1 сказал: That's the only answer here, if you don't want it for any reason don't buy it What if I don't want to fight against a fantasy plane on my favorite server? I stop playing? 6
MAXsenna Posted January 17 Posted January 17 31 minutes ago, NineLine said: A FF Su-27 is possible, but the team that would do that most likely would be the one nose deep in a MiG-29 right now. Better quickly finish it then.
ED Team NineLine Posted January 17 ED Team Posted January 17 1 minute ago, TotenDead said: What if I don't want to fight against a fantasy plane on my favorite server? I stop playing? Switch sides. 5 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
F-2 Posted January 17 Posted January 17 34 minutes ago, NineLine said: Using the same examples, the SH and the MH-60, the reason is we are still finishing the Charlie, so starting a SH doesn't make sense in that regards. As for the MH-60, our helo teams are simply tied up with current work right now. A FF Su-27 is possible, but the team that would do that most likely would be the one nose deep in a MiG-29 right now. Su-27S? 40 minutes ago, NineLine said: Yes, its not lack of data right now holding back the SH, not sure about the MH-60, but I believe the same. Are you guys looking to add an AESA super hornet? If you even have an idea 1
Antonius Posted January 17 Posted January 17 4 minutes ago, TotenDead said: What if I don't want to fight against a fantasy plane on my favorite server? I stop playing? That's assuming that your favorite PVP server will add the F-35 into its roster of jets in the first place, which I kinda doubt. At worst, it'll be added and then drastically limited somehow for the sake of balance. In the end, it's entirely up to the server owners how they balance their server. I'm pretty sure that only the PVE servers will allow the F-35s to fly freely. 1
Hammer1-1 Posted January 17 Posted January 17 (edited) this isnt the first time the F-35 was flung around here as a module because I remember Kinney Interactive from 10 some odd years ago with a kickstarter program (and that fell flat on its face). Edited January 17 by Hammer1-1 4 Intel 13900k @ 5.8ghz | 64gb GSkill Trident Z | MSI z790 Meg ACE | Zotac RTX4090 | Asus 1000w psu | Slaw RX Viper 2 pedals | VPForce Rhino/VKB MCE Ultimate + STECS Mk2 MAX / Virpil MongoosT50+ MongoosT50CM | Virpil TCS+/ AH64D grip/custom AH64D TEDAC | Samsung Odyssey G9 + Odyssey Ark | Next Level Racing Flight Seat Pro | WinWing F-18 MIPS | No more VR for this pilot. My wallpaper and skins On today's episode of "Did You Know", Cessna Skyhawk crashes into cemetery; over 800 found dead as workers keep digging.
Boosterdog Posted January 17 Posted January 17 4 minutes ago, NineLine said: Switch sides. A little glib 6 MSI Tomahawk X570 Mobo, Ryzen 5600X undervolted on Artic Freezer E34 Cooler, RTX3080 FE, 32GB (2x16GB Dual Ranked) GSkil 3600 CL16 Trident Neo RAM, 2X 4th Gen M2 SSDs, Corsair RM850x PSU, Lancool 215 Case. Gear: MFG Crosswinds, Warthog Throttle, Virpil T50CM gen 1 stick, TIR5, Cougar MFD (OOA), D-link H7/B powered USB 2.0 Hub all strapped to a butchered Wheel stand pro, Cushion to bang head on, wall to scream at.
ED Team NineLine Posted January 17 ED Team Posted January 17 6 minutes ago, Hammer1-1 said: this isnt the first time the F-35 was flung around here as a module because I remember Kinney Interactive from 10 some odd years ago with a kickstarter program (and that fell flat on its face). I think that was more about who was wanting to do it rather than what he was wanting to do. 3 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
Kippy Posted January 17 Posted January 17 (edited) It is sad, indeed, to see a very loud minority of DCS users find any reason they can to complain about what is perhaps the most exciting news DCS has seen since its launch. For many, myself included, the thought of an F-35 in DCS, just yesterday, was just entirely unthinkable. It is hard to believe that anybody making comments about "PVP multiplayer balance" is taken seriously. In many years past, they would have been laughed off the forum. DCS certainly has changed. Like many, I have reservations about fidelity. As someone who has flown one and only one module, the A-10C for 11 years, I have no shortage of things I could say regarding undelivered features, fidelity, and much needed core improvements. Small, incremental improvements can and do come over time. I remember being ecstatic when the Long Pod came to the A-10C or when ED finally changed the default cold and dark position of the boost pump switches. This F-35 venture ED is embarking on certainly appears unconventional for their normal approach. To the ED Team: I hate you. Give me those HMCS & TAD features and ITTs over 800. I love you. Thank you for 11 years of a fantastic hobby. We are all fortunate to see what the future has in store for this new and exciting chapter of DCS. Edited January 17 by Kippy 18 4 163rd vFS Discord Soaring With the Snakes, Fangs Out!
hawk4me Posted January 17 Posted January 17 I see no possible way ED is going to be able to model the helmet intergration on this thing. If they do color me impressed. Selecting multiple targets with satellite imaging and you never even having to see them. I'll raise a beer to ED when it gets done but that seems like it would take 10+ years coding alone. 1
ED Team NineLine Posted January 17 ED Team Posted January 17 30 minutes ago, Boosterdog said: A little glib Maybe, but in a game people want to be so realistic it seems weird to demand balance. Especially when you can add and remove planes from any mission. 8 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
Czar66 Posted January 17 Posted January 17 (edited) I'm more inclined towards cold war stuff, so I have no interest on the 35 (I'm never saying 'never on this, though). I but I have to say that it is really an exciting moment seeing DCS World from its inception to a F-35 being announced. Feels surreal. I wish ED the best of luck on that endeavor. This comes from countless hours of fun throughout the years DCS has provided me since A-10C early access. I just had to post it. Edited January 17 by Czar66 3 2
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