released to early access Cold War Germany discussion

[Volator]

On 2/6/2025 at 9:32 AM, Rongor said:

Rhein-Ruhr could hardly be left out since at least half of cold war NATO airbases in Germany were west or at least close to it.

People shouldn't only focus on American related Ramstein, Spangdahlem and Bitburg exclusively.

Cold War air bases would rely on Büchel, Nörvenich and NATO at Geilenkirchen as well. Also RAF bases in Germany like Laarbruch, Wildenrath, Brüggen and Gütersloh.

Since the Navy dudettes want some water to fly their missions from the boat, we will need the North Sea and the Baltic Sea in the simulated area, so the airbases we really want are: Wittmund, Jever, Oldenburg, Nordholz, Husum, Leck, Schleswig, Eggebek, Kiel, Laage, Ribnitz-Damgarten, Parow, Peenemünde... just to name a few.

... and Ahlhorn (along with the A28 highway strip), Diepholz, Wunstorf, Hopsten... and I forgot the German Army airbases, so Bueckeburg, Itzehoe and Rheine-Bentlage as well of course

 

Edited February 7 by Volator

[sirrah]

Meanwhile..

Ugra reading through this thread:

 

[TheBiggerBass]

I'd like Cologne please to land with a heli in front of the dome 

[twistking]

47 minutes ago, Volator said:

 Wittmund, Jever, Oldenburg, Nordholz, Husum, Leck, Schleswig, Eggebek, Kiel, Laage, Ribnitz-Damgarten, Parow, Peenemünde... just to name a few.

... and Ahlhorn (along with the A28 highway strip), Diepholz, Wunstorf, Hopsten... and I forgot the German Army airbases, so Bueckeburg, Itzehoe and Rheine-Bentlage as well of course

Horstenfeld-Beckenburg, Lümpfnitz-Daal, Siegsdam, Brähm, Heidhut, Loggenfeld-Stulzenrübe, Üppel, Pfropsten, Auerscheid-Stülzlangen and of course not to forget the highway strip A38/B65 between Knätsdorf and Humpenlump-Kreutzingen!

Edited February 7 by twistking

[Volator]

4 minutes ago, twistking said:

Horstenfeld-Beckenburg, Lümpfnitz-Daal, Siegsdam, Brähm, Heidhut, Loggenfeld-Stulzenrübe, Üppel, Pfropsten, Auerscheid-Stülzlangen and of course not to forget the highway strip A38/B65 between Knätsdorf and Humpenlump-Kreutzingen!

Oh, which Air Force, Naval or Army units were based there?

[MAXsenna]

I'd like Cologne please to land with a heli in front of the dome 

Goth based!

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[twistking]

1 minute ago, Volator said:

Oh, which Air Force, Naval or Army units were based there?

Army Units? I thought we were just listing names that sound funny...

[twistking]

1 hour ago, Volator said:

Since the Navy dudettes want some water to fly their missions from the boat, we will need the North Sea and the Baltic Sea in the simulated area, so the airbases we really want are: Wittmund, Jever, Oldenburg, Nordholz, Husum, Leck, Schleswig, Eggebek, Kiel, Laage, Ribnitz-Damgarten, Parow, Peenemünde... just to name a few.

... and Ahlhorn (along with the A28 highway strip), Diepholz, Wunstorf, Hopsten... and I forgot the German Army airbases, so Bueckeburg, Itzehoe and Rheine-Bentlage as well of course

 

...but jokes aside, i would really appreciate both the North Sea and Baltic coast with some bases for the Marineflieger!

Edited February 7 by twistking

[MiGCap1]

On 2/7/2025 at 9:02 PM, twistking said:

Horstenfeld-Beckenburg, Lümpfnitz-Daal, Siegsdam, Brähm, Heidhut, Loggenfeld-Stulzenrübe, Üppel, Pfropsten, Auerscheid-Stülzlangen and of course not to forget the highway strip A38/B65 between Knätsdorf and Humpenlump-Kreutzingen!

 

 

On 2/7/2025 at 9:20 PM, twistking said:

...but jokes aside, i would really appreciate both the North Sea and Baltic coast with some bases for the Marineflieger!

 

I agree 110 per cent!

 

Edited February 12 by MiGCap1

[Northstar98]

On 2/7/2025 at 8:20 PM, twistking said:

...but jokes aside, i would really appreciate both the North Sea and Baltic coast with some bases for the Marineflieger!

Absolutely agreed.

It would also include the North German Plain which was identified as a significant probable axis of advance in the event of the Cold War going hot (and includes ports as relevant targets), not to mention airbases in the North (such as Damgarten (773 IAP - we already have a MiG-21bis and a 9.12 MiG-29) and Wittmundhafen (JG 71 - we've got JG 71 liveries for the F-4E, we're getting an F-104G of some description)).

EDIT: The current La Combattante IIa is depicted as a late FRG Type 148 Tiger, so depending on how much water we get, that vessel would be right at home (if only it could get MM38 Exocet Block 1).

It may also enable carrier-based aviation and anti-shipping missions in general and we are getting a Luftwaffe Tornado with Kormoran (so right at home), not sure about Aerges F-104G, though it would be nice to depict Marineflieger units.

Edited March 4 by Northstar98

[Thamiel]

On 2/7/2025 at 8:15 PM, Volator said:

Since the Navy dudettes want some water to fly their missions from the boat, we will need the North Sea and the Baltic Sea in the simulated area, so the airbases we really want are: Wittmund, Jever, Oldenburg, Nordholz, Husum, Leck, Schleswig, Eggebek, Kiel, Laage, Ribnitz-Damgarten, Parow, Peenemünde... just to name a few.

... and Ahlhorn (along with the A28 highway strip), Diepholz, Wunstorf, Hopsten... and I forgot the German Army airbases, so Bueckeburg, Itzehoe and Rheine-Bentlage as well of course

 

I cannot help but having a difficult time imagining a carrier in the baltic sea. With all those airfields around it looks a bit superfluous, not mentioning the mud you have to scratch out of the propellers after passing Malmö.

[MAXsenna]

6 hours ago, Thamiel said:

I cannot help but having a difficult time imagining a carrier in the baltic sea. With all those airfields around it looks a bit superfluous, not mentioning the mud you have to scratch out of the propellers after passing Malmö.

Why on earth would you take that route? True, the median depth is 11 meters or so, while Lillebælt (where the stream of water pass from the Baltic to Kattegatt), and Storebælt, (where ships actually sail), have respectively 75m and 60m. More than adequate. The problem is the bridges. Sailing height (?), "seilingshøyde" is 57m for Øresund, 33 for Lillebælt and 65m for Storebælt. "Bridges too Low" in other words.

Edited March 8 by MAXsenna

[Thamiel]

Although as cultural obstacles, "Bridges too low" could easily be remedied by a well-aimed 2000lbs. bean or two. Something of a Nimitz class steaming circles in Lake Mead right next to Nellis.

[Northstar98]

Just reading the newsletter and I'm delighted with the scope of the map:

 

But please, please, please include empty air defence sites (this being a near perfect example) - even if its only a generic site for each type that's copies and pasted in locations where appropriate.

The Syria map had some attempt at this, but only did so with an SA-2 and even then, apart from the revetment models, it wasn't that accurate (and some sites weren't accurately placed).

Edited March 14 by Northstar98
Actually linking the example

[rcjonessnp175]

map looks like a dream come true, in my opinion dcs should focus on cold war era, but will say a ww2 version of this map would be epic as well.  Havent looked but hope the little Mainz airfield is in too

[Pingodingo]

very cool scope of the map just personally hope they would increase it slightly more in denmark so it would include Skrydstrup in suthern jutland

[maks]

Hope they can go little west more like full Belgium and Netherlands? We have/had a lot of important airbases in both countries! Koksijde,Beauvechain,Chievres,Nato strips in Ursel and Oostmalle, Volkel,Leeuwarden,…..would be great !

[BIGNEWY]

topic title edited. Forum section added. 

thank you 

[Bremspropeller]

Looks like AdlA bases...

- Colmar

- Strasbourg

- Metz

- possibly Nancy-Ochey

...will be in phase 3.

FATac galore!

 

Grostenquin (RCAF) and Marville will most certainly be in Phase 3, which is majorly nice for the upcoming F-104, as all the RCAF bases in Europe will be on the map.

Edited March 14 by Bremspropeller

[Swiso]

Should be nice to have a list to all airbases included in this map.

 

[Hiob]

Was there any word about a timeline for the release that I missed?

[Aries144]

[VIKBELL]

This is going to be a epic map.

 

[Tomcatter87]

It's a bummer to see the map will end just some kilometers north of my hometown. That being said, I'm blown away with how big this map is going to be, and that even water will be included. Much more that I was hoping for. This is gonna be awesome!

Please do not forget some important German F-4F Phantom bases - we're talking about the 80s here, so the "Luftverteidigungsdiesel" is pretty important. So far, the only one we'll get at release is Pferdsfeld. Laage is included, but being located in the GDR, it hosted Phantoms from the late 1990s on, some years after the re-unification. 

Bremgarten is too far south, Leck sadly seems just a tad too far north to be included. Wittmundhafen is outside of the first zone, but should hopefully be introduced in the first update. Neuburg is too far south again, Hopsten might come in phase 3. Pferdsfeld and Laage (for later scenarios) will be included in the first phase (yeah!) and Manching is too far south and not too important for our needs, not hosting an active squadron. 

Fliegerhorst Bremgarten	Aufklärungsgeschwader 51 "Immelmann"	RF-4E Phantom II	ab 20. Januar 1971	bis März 1993
Fliegerhorst Leck	Aufklärungsgeschwader 52	RF-4E Phantom II	ab September 1971	bis Dezember 1993
Fliegerhorst Wittmundhafen	Jagdgeschwader 71 "Richthofen"	F-4F Phantom II	ab August 1973	bis 29. Juni 2013
Fliegerhorst Neuburg	Jagdgeschwader 74 "Mölders"	F-4F Phantom II	ab September 1974	bis Juni 2008
Fliegerhorst Hopsten	Jagdbombergeschwader 36 / Jagdgeschwader 72 "Westfalen"	F-4F Phantom II	ab Februar 1975	bis Dezember 2005
Fliegerhorst Pferdsfeld	Jagdbombergeschwader 35	F-4F Phantom II	ab April 1975	bis Juli 1997
Fliegerhorst Laage	Jagdgeschwader 73 "Steinhoff"	F-4F Phantom II	ab Juli 1997	bis April 2002
Fliegerhorst Manching	Wehrtechnische Dienststelle 61	RF-4E/F-4F Phantom II	ab 1974	bis 30. Juli 2013

Edited March 15 by Tomcatter87

[Bremspropeller]

Bremgarten should be within Phase 3. Same with Colmar - literally just a stone's throw to the west, across the Rhine. The river's kink along the D52 road is the first prominent kink on the map, travelling south-to north. Colmar airbase is just between Meyenheim and Hirtzfelden. Hard to see on the maps screenshot, but I wanted to show both airfields and the prominet kink onthe river. The phase 3 boundary runs just to the north of Basel-Mulhouse airport (sorry, Switzerland, you're left ou of the party), which is a bit special, since it's on french turf but has a swiss terminal.

Edit 2: I just took a quick and dirty screenshot showing the roundabout map boundary in phase 3 and the location of both, Bremgarten and Colmar.

Wittmund, Jever and Hopsten look like they'll be added in Phase 3. By the looks of it, Bremgarten will have a more detailed pattern than Wittmund, though. That's not a loss, however. Only cows, sheep and gibberish speaking people up there...

 

Edited March 15 by Bremspropeller