aldox Posted January 21 Posted January 21 (edited) People are going bananas over the F-35, but what I'm interested in, is what this could mean for WW2 birds. Only thing stopping Eagle dynamics from releasing a full roster of semi/realistic/fidelity, hell even flaming cliffs level WW2 roster of planes, was the lack of real data, right? Not anymore it seems Mk1 spit, 109E, F, G, some medium bombers, imagine having a real use for the channel map with 110s or something like that wow, anyways would you guys be fine with some flamming cliff level stuff or would it be too thundery? Edited January 21 by aldox 3
MAXsenna Posted January 21 Posted January 21 People are going bananas over the F-35, but what I'm interested in, is what this could mean for WW2 birds. Only thing stopping Eagle dynamics from releasing a full roster of semi/realistic/fidelity, hell even flaming cliffs level WW2 roster of planes, was the lack of real data, right? Not anymore it seems Mk1 spit, 109E, F, G, some medium bombers, imagine having a real use for the channel map with 110s or something like that wow, anyways would you guys be fine with some flamming cliff level stuff or would it be too thundery?Zero incoming? Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk
Supernova-III Posted January 21 Posted January 21 44 minutes ago, aldox said: People are going bananas over the F-35, but what I'm interested in, is what this could mean for WW2 birds. For WW2 birds, release of F-35 means that they cannot fly safe anymore... 1
MAXsenna Posted January 21 Posted January 21 For WW2 birds, release of F-35 means that they cannot fly safe anymore...Like in "The Final Countdown"? Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk 1
Supernova-III Posted January 21 Posted January 21 5 minutes ago, MAXsenna said: Like in "The Final Countdown"? Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk sorry, not sure I get it 1
MAXsenna Posted January 21 Posted January 21 11 minutes ago, Supernova-III said: sorry, not sure I get it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Final_Countdown_(film)?wprov=sfla1 1
Skewgear Posted January 21 Posted January 21 2 hours ago, aldox said: People are going bananas over the F-35, but what I'm interested in, is what this could mean for WW2 birds. Only thing stopping Eagle dynamics from releasing a full roster of semi/realistic/fidelity, hell even flaming cliffs level WW2 roster of planes, was the lack of real data, right? Not anymore it seems Mk1 spit, 109E, F, G, some medium bombers, imagine having a real use for the channel map with 110s or something like that wow, anyways would you guys be fine with some flamming cliff level stuff or would it be too thundery? There's plenty enough data available on all those types from the various national archives, if you know where to look. The key thing is finding and paying developers to build and maintain those addons... ED has made it clear, without stating it explicitly, that there will be no further WW2 development by them. The Mosquito remains in early access 4 years after release. There has been no concrete information about the promised Pacific theatre. Whatever they’ve announced since the release of the Mosquito appears to be marketing hype instead of products. With no third party ever having delivered a WW2 add-on aircraft - even the unofficial Lancaster mod appears to be nothing more than a private plaything that will never be released but gives its creators social status via screenshots and videos - the idea of anyone delivering new DCS WW2 content is fantasy at this point. Accept what we have. Enjoy it, it's great despite some flaws. But the game is finished. 5 DCS WWII player. I run the mission design team behind 4YA WWII, the most popular DCS World War 2 server. https://www.ProjectOverlord.co.uk - for 4YA WW2 mission stats, mission information, historical research blogs and more.
Gunfreak Posted January 21 Posted January 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, Skewgear said: There's plenty enough data available on all those types from the various national archives, if you know where to look. The key thing is finding and paying developers to build and maintain those addons... ED has made it clear, without stating it explicitly, that there will be no further WW2 development by them. The Mosquito remains in early access 4 years after release. There has been no concrete information about the promised Pacific theatre. Whatever they’ve announced since the release of the Mosquito appears to be marketing hype instead of products. With no third party ever having delivered a WW2 add-on aircraft - even the unofficial Lancaster mod appears to be nothing more than a private plaything that will never be released but gives its creators social status via screenshots and videos - the idea of anyone delivering new DCS WW2 content is fantasy at this point. Accept what we have. Enjoy it, it's great despite some flaws. But the game is finished. Impressive, that's even more bleak than my take on WW2A DCS. I don't know if it's that bad. But I don't think the F35 is good for ww2 dcs. It only means less resources for ww2 dcs. I'm honestly impressed by how long they've spent on WW2 Marianas. I assume it's one guy working on it an hour every 6th Sunday. It's some tiny islands, mostly covered with palm trees. Yet they've spent far longer on the ww2 version then the modern one with the nice golf course. Edited January 21 by Gunfreak 2 i7 13700k @5.2ghz, GTX 5090 OC, 128Gig ram 4800mhz DDR5, M2 drive.
Aernov Posted January 21 Posted January 21 DCS WW2 side is interesting to me because of high fidelity of the aircraft. If ED starts making FC-level planes, the fidelity advantage of DCS in WW2 air sim games sphere is gone, at least for me. And there is a third-party developer focused on WW2 - OctopusG, who made I-16 and in the process (I hope) of making La-7, and maybe ground assets for Eastern front (I doubt that T-34-85 that we saw in 2025 video is made by ED since they shifted to PTO). As for F-35's impact for WW2 side of DCS - best case scenario is no impact. Let's hope that the last member of WW2 development team wasn't assigned to F-35 systems and flight characteristics divining team or something. 5
Keith Briscoe Posted January 21 Posted January 21 4 hours ago, aldox said: Only thing stopping Eagle dynamics from releasing a full roster of semi/realistic/fidelity, hell even flaming cliffs level WW2 roster of planes, was the lack of real data, right? And development time + priorities, I assume.
Gunfreak Posted January 21 Posted January 21 9 minutes ago, Keith Briscoe said: And development time + priorities, I assume. Priorities is the big one. i7 13700k @5.2ghz, GTX 5090 OC, 128Gig ram 4800mhz DDR5, M2 drive.
Doughguy Posted January 21 Posted January 21 ww2 isnt a priority. never was. the team is small and it takes long. which is fine with me. the f35 is sort of just a questionable choice really, with ed going into a more "speculative" direction, whilest, e.g. the me262 were put on halt, due to lack of documentation iirc, and similiar arguments bein raised against other suggested a/c. ww2 dcs is just nieche. its so nieche that basically are all related in here or know each other over someone else. its not profitable enough. hence you dont see as many ww2 modules. the other thing is that obviously dev time for a module is long and arduous. so having a small team and low yield in revenue results it less planes because not enough interest / money etc etc. 1 https://sr-f.de/
dcn Posted January 22 Posted January 22 (edited) 7小时前，aldox说： Only thing stopping Eagle dynamics from releasing a full roster of semi/realistic/fidelity, hell even flaming cliffs level WW2 roster of planes, was the lack of real data, right? Not anymore it seems Never. Since the release of Mosquito, we have three WWII aircraft waiting to be released. The problem is that the development speed of WWII aircraft modules is too slow and there are no more third parties willing to develop WWII aircraft module. Edited January 22 by dcn 2
Nealius Posted February 3 Posted February 3 On 1/22/2025 at 2:00 AM, aldox said: Only thing stopping Eagle dynamics from releasing a full roster of semi/realistic/fidelity, hell even flaming cliffs level WW2 roster of planes, was the lack of real data, right? Not anymore it seems Logically, yes, and it gives me hope for the WW2 side of DCS. However ED's track record with applying logic to their approach in modeling things has always been inconsistent. 1
motoadve Posted February 3 Posted February 3 DCS started as a Jet sim, and the priority are still jets, I am glad WWII planes exist in DCS, my expectations are low for more planes and I enjoy what we have, at least we benefit from DCS improvements, better weather, fixes for the core game, performance improvements, and a Germany map (even its cold war I plan to buy and use it for WWII). PTO if we get it great, if not, whatever, I don't understand the entitlement like if someone owes some people something. Enjoy what we have, WWII planes are amazing, even not historically matched perfectly, they are kind of close, but no other sim gives you this kind of quality, not by a large margin. 1
Nealius Posted February 3 Posted February 3 What DCS started off as has no relevance, in my opinion. DCS started off as an arcade, less-than-FC3-level fidelity Su-27 game in the 90s. It has gone through multiple evolutions since then. 1
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted February 3 ED Team Posted February 3 folks please keep the discussion DCS related, not other sims. thank you Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, PIMAX Crystal
Sunbather Posted February 3 Posted February 3 (edited) Am 21.1.2025 um 21:08 schrieb Skewgear: There's plenty enough data available on all those types from the various national archives, if you know where to look. The key thing is finding and paying developers to build and maintain those addons... ED has made it clear, without stating it explicitly, that there will be no further WW2 development by them. The Mosquito remains in early access 4 years after release. There has been no concrete information about the promised Pacific theatre. Whatever they’ve announced since the release of the Mosquito appears to be marketing hype instead of products. With no third party ever having delivered a WW2 add-on aircraft - even the unofficial Lancaster mod appears to be nothing more than a private plaything that will never be released but gives its creators social status via screenshots and videos - the idea of anyone delivering new DCS WW2 content is fantasy at this point. Accept what we have. Enjoy it, it's great despite some flaws. But the game is finished. That does sound bleak indeed. But aren't there several WWII planes in the works by 3rd party devs? Yeah, not delivered yet but still in the works, no? That being said, I would assume work on WW2 stopped because of the sales not justifying further development. I can only speak for myself but I would immediately buy into the WW2 experience (meaning: Channel map, Normandy map, WWII assets pack, at least 2 planes right away with more, possibly all to follow, and maybe even other maps if they get tuned to WW2). But right now? What I am trying to say: don't just take low sales at face value. Also factor in how much more sales you would get if the experience was actually not half-baked. My wallet is ready but DCS WWII in its current state doesn't justify the investment. Edited February 4 by Sunbather F-16C || F/A-18C || A-10C || F-4E || Mig-21bis || M-2000C Syria -- Kola
Silver_Dragon Posted February 4 Posted February 4 That does sound bleak indeed. But aren't there several WWII planes in the works by 3rd party devs? Yeah, not delivered yet but still in the works, no? That being said, I would assume work on WW2 stopped because of the sales not justifying further development. I can only speak for myself but I would immediately buy into the WW2 experience (meaning: Channel map, Normandy map, WWII assets pack, at least 2 planes right away with more, possibly all to follow, and maybe even other maps if they get tuned to WW2). But right now? What I am trying to say: don't just take low sales at face value. Also plan in how much more sales you would get if the experience was actually not half-baked. My wallet is ready but DCS WWII in its current state doesn't justify the investment.ED has put any claims about WW2 has Stoped?Enviado desde mi CPH2197 mediante Tapatalk For Work/Gaming: 28" Philips 246E Monitor - Ryzen 7 1800X - 32 GB DDR4 - nVidia RTX1080 - SSD 860 EVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 2 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Warthog / TPR / MDF
Sunbather Posted February 4 Posted February 4 vor 28 Minuten schrieb Silver_Dragon: ED has put any claims about WW2 has Stoped? Enviado desde mi CPH2197 mediante Tapatalk According to @Skewgear, yes. I was answering to them. F-16C || F/A-18C || A-10C || F-4E || Mig-21bis || M-2000C Syria -- Kola
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted February 4 ED Team Posted February 4 WWII work is still progressing, but as mentioned in the past it will take more time, the team is smaller and resources are limited currently. thank you Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, PIMAX Crystal
Silver_Dragon Posted February 4 Posted February 4 According to @Skewgear, yes. I was answering to them. He has only a betatester, no a ED develop team member, that require some oficial from WW2 team, no speculation.Enviado desde mi CPH2197 mediante Tapatalk For Work/Gaming: 28" Philips 246E Monitor - Ryzen 7 1800X - 32 GB DDR4 - nVidia RTX1080 - SSD 860 EVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 2 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Warthog / TPR / MDF
_Hoss Posted February 4 Posted February 4 (edited) I was sitting in my shop W/C-64C, the DECM shop on the USS Constellation, the first time I watched Final Countdown. I wasn't all that impressed with it. Don't get me wrong, it was fun to watch what the ship's crew was doing. I was also on the USS Enterprise in 1985 with VA-94 when they came on board to film TopGun. We were doing our workups for the 1986 WESTPAC. And... I worked for Boeing at NAS Lemoore when the film crew showed up to do TopGun Maverick; we were located in VFA-122's Hangar MOD. I wouldn't mind an FC4 level Zero, Betty, Val, Kate, SBD, and Avenger. I prefer a full-fidelity P-38 for PTO and ETO. I'm waiting to see what Jason brings on his initial PTO release. Most of us have a buttload of controllers now, so finding buttons and switches to control a WWII-era plane should not be a problem. ATI(AW/SW) USN ret. 77-97 Edited February 4 by _Hoss 1 Sempre Fortis
PawlaczGMD Posted February 5 Posted February 5 On 1/21/2025 at 3:08 PM, Skewgear said: There's plenty enough data available on all those types from the various national archives, if you know where to look. The key thing is finding and paying developers to build and maintain those addons... ED has made it clear, without stating it explicitly, that there will be no further WW2 development by them. The Mosquito remains in early access 4 years after release. There has been no concrete information about the promised Pacific theatre. Whatever they’ve announced since the release of the Mosquito appears to be marketing hype instead of products. With no third party ever having delivered a WW2 add-on aircraft - even the unofficial Lancaster mod appears to be nothing more than a private plaything that will never be released but gives its creators social status via screenshots and videos - the idea of anyone delivering new DCS WW2 content is fantasy at this point. Accept what we have. Enjoy it, it's great despite some flaws. But the game is finished. That's just not true, the Corsair and La-7 full fidelity official modules are in development by 3rd parties.
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