Ka-50, Mi-8, Mi-24 removed from Russian ED store??

[felixx75]

Is it true that the Hind has been withdrawn from sale on the Russian store page?

Edited March 4 by felixx75

[razo+r]

 

 

[felixx75]

2 hours ago, Aernov said:

OK, no transparency for customers, again, got it.

[BIGNEWY]

threads merged

[Dragon1-1]

I guess all those "why don't ED make more red air?" complaints can now be redirected to this thread. I suspect that whatever happened, it's exactly why ED preferred leaving Russian aircraft to 3rd parties in the past. That it happened to an already released module doesn't bode well for doing any further business with Russia.

[felixx75]

4 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said:

I guess all those "why don't ED make more red air?" complaints can now be redirected to this thread. I suspect that whatever happened, it's exactly why ED preferred leaving Russian aircraft to 3rd parties in the past. That it happened to an already released module doesn't bode well for doing any further business with Russia.

And that's exactly it, you're “guessing”.
Until we hear the reasons from ED, everything else is pure speculation that is of no use to anyone. I don't think you should throw wild guesses into the room.

[Dragon1-1]

It's an educated guess, though. Those things tend to happen in Russia. I've been always saying that, but some people just can't accept that working with both Russian government and their companies is hard. Everyone who tried says just that.

Oh, and we're not likely to ever hear the reasons from ED. It'll just be "resolved" and either the modules will come back to the Russian store, or not. Transparency is not a thing in Russia.

[The_GhostRider]

It does beg the question, what if other copyright holders withdraw their permissions? 

[Beirut]

But customers are not losing the ability to use what they bought, are they? 

[Смуглянка]

2 hours ago, Dragon1-1 said:

I guess all those "why don't ED make more red air?" complaints can now be redirected to this thread.

Helicopters are available in stores from EU/USA. So this suggestion is not relevant.

[AJaromir]

IMO it sounds like Patent Troll.

[Raffi75]

I think we can quieten down the subject for a while and calmly wait for the situation to develop. Unnecessary speculations are starting.

ED should provide information here once everything is 100% clear.

[Dragon1-1]

1 hour ago, Смуглянка said:

Helicopters are available in stores from EU/USA. So this suggestion is not relevant.

It is very much relevant. ED has a team in Russia (which is the one that makes the Russian stuff) and is rather interested in selling their products in Russia. Mi-24P has been released, so the cat's out of the bag on that one as far as Western markets are concerned, but they're not going to develop, say, a Su-25 without some sort of guarantee that some goon won't nix it halfway through just because he wanted a bribe and didn't get one.

1 hour ago, Beirut said:

But customers are not losing the ability to use what they bought, are they? 

No, but if the helos are permanently removed, this would reduce the incentive for ED to continue updating them. I don't think they'll be forced to yank them from non-Russian market (if only because Switzerland has little incentive, at that point, to cooperate with Russian legal demands), but you never know. If that happens, you can expect updates not to be too forthcoming.

[Esvs Beyond]

commie + capitalism = terrorism  

Edited March 4 by Esvs Beyond

[Mainstay]

If this affects the upcoming "MiG-29A" im gonna cry like a little child and stop DCS till i feel its stable platform again with releases and licenses and all the mystery stuff going on we dont hear about...  

[okopanja]

Just now, Mainstay said:

If this affects the upcoming "MiG-29A" im gonna cry like a little child and stop DCS till i feel its stable platform again with releases and licenses and all the mystery stuff going on we dont hear about...  

It's nowhere stated, so lets wait and see...

[YoYo]

1 hour ago, Mainstay said:

If this affects the upcoming "MiG-29A" im gonna cry like a little child and stop DCS till i feel its stable platform again with releases and licenses and all the mystery stuff going on we dont hear about...  

We currently have Russian aircraft in DCS and this is not the case. This is a case of Joint Stock Company Russian Helicopters:

"Joint Stock Company Russian Helicopters, a subsidiary of UIC Oboronprom, controls all Russian helicopter industry enterprises.

Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant, Kamov, and Kazan Helicopters conduct R&D. Serial production plants were integrated into the Russian Helicopters group: Kazan Helicopters manufactures the medium Mi-8/17 and the light Ansat, and is starting production of the Mi-38. Ulan-Ude Aviation Plant manufactures the Mi-8/171.

Rostvertol manufactures the heavy lift helicopter Mi-26T, the transport-combat helicopter Mi-24/35, and the attack helicopter Mi-28N. Kumertau Aviation Production Enterprise produces the Ka-27/Ka-32 and the light Ka-226T. Arsenyev Aviation Company Progress manufactures the military attack helicopter Ka-52 and the light Mi-34S1.

Russian Helicopters company is also engaged in the management of production and aftersale support enterprises for major components and systems: Stupino Machine Production Plant, Reductor-PM, Helicopter Service Company (VSK) and Novosibirsk Aircraft Repairing Plant.

Partners of Russian Helicopters: AirTaxi Service (interior completions); R.E.T. Kronshtadt (aviation training systems, navigation and avionics); Tranzas (software, navigation systems, aviation simulators); CSTS Dinamika (full scope of technical training means for aviation personnel); BETA AIR (testing equipment); Ural Works of Civil Aviation (repair of helicopter engines and components and reductors)."

Of course everything is possible. I just don't understand that it doesn't apply to selling to Russia, the other way around - i.e. a ban outside of Russia, is very understandable, but this way it's a strange case. ED has more knowledge about what was the motivator here.

Edited March 4 by YoYo

[DmitriKozlowsky]

99% certain that this is Russia, Russia, Russia, gerring back at ED for allowing USAF and Ukranian Air Force to use DCS: A-10CII and F-16C mods for desktop training of Ukranian aviators. USAF uses Prepare3D to train Ukranians on F-16C in full motion simulators, and DCS for desktop traning of tactics and planning.

[NineLine]

11 minutes ago, DmitriKozlowsky said:

99% certain that this is Russia, Russia, Russia, gerring back at ED for allowing USAF and Ukranian Air Force to use DCS: A-10CII and F-16C mods for desktop training of Ukranian aviators. USAF uses Prepare3D to train Ukranians on F-16C in full motion simulators, and DCS for desktop traning of tactics and planning.

Ok, that's enough now... now we are just getting carried away on the conspiracy train. We will share more info when we have it, but right now it's not a large impact on most. 

[Esvs Beyond]

I hoped next heli is going to be the Ka-50 era, early version of Mi-28... what a naive f#ck I am.

 

Edited March 4 by Esvs Beyond

[felixx75]

1 hour ago, NineLine said:

Ok, that's enough now... now we are just getting carried away on the conspiracy train.

Did you seriously expect anything else here? 

[NineLine]

4 minutes ago, felixx75 said:

Did you seriously expect anything else here? 

I always hold out hope

[silverdevil]

@NineLine you and the rest of the ED team (including testers and helpers) on these forums deal with a lot of crap from some posters. all of it anonymous posting so they would not have any juevos to say something to someone in public. especially in a Walmart (in the US) where they would surely get their face punched.

rant over. ED, you are doing a great job! you will work out this latest setback.

[Ornithopter]

This is really un-Hip.

[flecktyphus]

19 hours ago, silverdevil said:

@NineLine you and the rest of the ED team (including testers and helpers) on these forums deal with a lot of crap from some posters. all of it anonymous posting so they would not have any juevos to say something to someone in public. especially in a Walmart (in the US) where they would surely get their face punched.

rant over. ED, you are doing a great job! you will work out this latest setback.

 

Real tough display by E-threatening aggravated assault to anyone who tells you you suck at your job. I'm sure all your coworkers at Wally World think you're real intimidating.