DCS World 2.0 and New Maps Discussion Thread

[Ali Fish]

It`s 2014 in "combat" flight simulation and this is what it looks like. There is not a product out there for you to compare to that looks better. because there is always a flaw in the comparison. because nothing else does combat quite like DCS in the mainstream market. I think you are comparing it to your expectations based on everything that isn't a combat flight sim like DCS.

[Wolf Rider]

It might be an honest answer, but I think it could be said in a different way. Especially when it's the guys 3rd post and he probably has no idea about the game. Seriously, if I asked someone at work when some thing would be ready and got that response, then I would be pretty miffed.

 

 

and we all know that if the reply came back as "It'll be done in 10 minutes", it well could well take another hour, at least...

 

 

so; "We have no concrete information on the release date, we do know it is actively being worked on and software of this nature does take time to develop...so, nothing else can be offered except: it will be done when its done" perhaps?

 

 

 

and the detail as well...I think I will be very happy with this new engine if it all looks as good as this.

 

 

gotta agree, it looks great

[msalama]

...ridicolous low poor quality.

 

The sim part is of highest possible quality, and that's the main thing that counts IMO. You want beautiful GFX, go play an FPS of your choice ;)

 

Granted, the CA part of DCS could use a better graphical environment. But isn't that exactly what we're getting with EDGE?

[sobek]

when and why still not they didn't permit to products like rex,orbx,gex and so on to be on DCS worlds... they could give surely and immediately a strong spin to up! :)

 

See, now you are just making stuff up.

 

Those companies don't give a rats behind about DCS. Go rant on them and good luck, you are going to need it convincing them to spend even a penny on developing for DCS when they can pump everything into the cash cow that is FSX.

[Mnemonic]

DCS is open for any company to do any addon, including maps. But I would guess it is also much harder to do than FSX or P3D, as buildings need to be destroyable, bridges collapsible, network of roads need to be functional for AI, trains need to run on schedule, all the map should look differently in 4 different seasons and so on. Plus DCS player base is so far smaller than FSX.

[joey45]

 

- the graphic is simply old, like to see some game from the 1999.. structures, lighits, particulars, models, trees, lands, grass and so on, are simply terrible, totally not realistic.. it is sad, but it is just true.

 

- the sounds are simply robotic, like to play with f/a 18 interceptor twenty years ago.. i would expect much much much more quality as realistic sounds in the 2014. there is the technology, there are many examples of games and simulators with thousands of times better as realistic sounds.. how long we have to wait for this essential implementation?!

a good example is when i listen jet sounds from external camera..is should be realistic sound ?! come on..

 

- the sky, clouds, and weather system.. again, I must repeat myself but It is not my fault if develepers don't understand this central aspect.

Other simulator have spectacular systems for to simulate weather, clouds and so on.. why it is so complicated to implement this ?

 

 

So, I arrive to the end of my unconfortable opinion here about edge asking myself first, but especially to developpers, when and why still not they didn't permit to products like rex,orbx,gex and so on to be on DCS worlds... they could give surely and immediately a strong spin to up! :)

As customer of DCS products (I have most of modules), there are years and years that I am hoping for this implementation.. but still nothing..

 

So, how will be sounds and graphic on EDGE engine? I am very afraid to see again the same totally old ridicolous low poor quality.

I am sorry if i have been so direct and critic, but I wish a good dcs product for the future instead to have paid so much money for to use a very old simulator..

 

Nevada screenshots, show only poor graphic.. nothing revolutionary or special as in the 2014 i would expect as customer.. imho..

 

cheers..

 

That is why EDGE is being made.

It'sa new GFX Engine built from the ground up.

[upupandaway]

Just for fun I had a look at screenshots from ORBX and GEX. EDGE comes quite close to the level of detail at airports that you can see there and in some cases even surpasses it clearly.

The crowds - ok, there are no women in dresses and kids on their BMX bikes strolling around on the airfields in DCS, but that is something I for myself can live without.

 

REX looks stunning of course, but this project clearly focusses on the realism of weather effects. Should ED work exclusively on their weather engine for a year so it´ll look just like that?

 

In terms of immersion ED is going the right way (slowly, ok): the new sounds in the 1.2.7 open beta prove that. You should reserve judgement until EDGE is actually released.

We all know little to nothing about ED´s concrete plans regarding any of this.

 

And even without EDGE, DCS so looks nothing like games from 1999, especially not flight sims... :)

 

- the graphic is simply old, like to see some game from the 1999.. structures, lighits, particulars, models, trees, lands, grass and so on, are simply terrible, totally not realistic.. it is sad, but it is just true.

 

- the sounds are simply robotic, like to play with f/a 18 interceptor twenty years ago.. i would expect much much much more quality as realistic sounds in the 2014. there is the technology, there are many examples of games and simulators with thousands of times better as realistic sounds.. how long we have to wait for this essential implementation?!

a good example is when i listen jet sounds from external camera..is should be realistic sound ?! come on..

 

- the sky, clouds, and weather system.. again, I must repeat myself but It is not my fault if develepers don't understand this central aspect.

Other simulator have spectacular systems for to simulate weather, clouds and so on.. why it is so complicated to implement this ?

 

Edited January 18, 2014 by upupandaway

[Rikus]

we cann't continue to excuse and close our eyes in front of so strong evidences:

 

- the graphic is simply old, like to see some game from the 1999.. structures, lighits, particulars, models, trees, lands, grass and so on, are simply terrible, totally not realistic.. it is sad, but it is just true.

 

- the sounds are simply robotic, like to play with f/a 18 interceptor twenty years ago.. i would expect much much much more quality as realistic sounds in the 2014. there is the technology, there are many examples of games and simulators with thousands of times better as realistic sounds.. how long we have to wait for this essential implementation?!

a good example is when i listen jet sounds from external camera..is should be realistic sound ?! come on..

 

- the sky, clouds, and weather system.. again, I must repeat myself but It is not my fault if develepers don't understand this central aspect.

 

Other simulator have spectacular systems for to simulate weather, clouds and so on.. why it is so complicated to implement this ?

 

As customer of DCS products (I have most of modules), there are years and years that I am hoping for this implementation.. but still nothing..

 

So, how will be sounds and graphic on EDGE engine? I am very afraid to see again the same totally old ridicolous low poor quality.

 

I am sorry if i have been so direct and critic, but I wish a good dcs product for the future instead to have paid so much money for to use a very old simulator..

 

Nevada screenshots, show only poor graphic.. nothing revolutionary or special as in the 2014 i would expect as customer.. imho..

 

Totally agree

[HiJack]

just noticed the new Screenshots everything has really good shadowing

:joystick:

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Yes and it sure looks as if it's in the simulator as all the aircrafts are there also. Anyway, I like the new looks

[sobek]

Yes and it sure looks as if it's in the simulator as all the aircrafts are there also. Anyway, I like the new looks

 

I think static objects are possible in the model viewer too, so let's not jump to conclusions just now.

[Flagrum]

just noticed the new Screenshots everything has really good shadowing

:joystick:

..

Somehow I can't really point my finger on it, but something is weired with this image...

 

Maybe it's that the sun is quite low, but not so low that all the exterieur lights and lanterns have to be on?

[HiJack]

Early morning?

[Echo38]

With such a limited budget as aerial combat simulators allow (they have a very small market), you have to choose: fancy graphics but sub-par physics & aircraft simulation, or realistic physics & aircraft simulation but sub-par graphics. If you prefer the latter, enjoy DCS. If you prefer the former, the door is that way. If you demand both ... well, good luck ... that isn't happening anytime in this universe.

[HiJack]

I think static objects are possible in the model viewer too, so let's not jump to conclusions just now.

Yes I see that. Can't wait for a video of Wags doing a taxi and takeoff in EDGE :)

[Python]

just noticed the new Screenshots everything has really good shadowing

..

 

That is one of the best shots I have seen so far, if edge turns out like that and is playable on our hardware I will be very happy indeed!! Looks very atmospheric, a trait that has been sorely missing so far in DCS world. :thumbup:

[TaliG]

... the cash cow that is FSX.

 

Please dnt start this... it may backfire..:smilewink:

 

 

Any way, from what I read, this thread is turning from a ''what we can expect'' to ''WHY its going to be like this''

 

Like we have it and we know what we are talking about... I mean cmon, we only have acouple of screenshots, and we already started to criticize and compare...:doh:

[Boberro]

That is one of the best shots I have seen so far, if edge turns out like that and is playable on our hardware I will be very happy indeed!! Looks very atmospheric, a trait that has been sorely missing so far in DCS world. :thumbup:

 

Well, to be honest I don't see difference between this EDGE screenshot and current engine.

Maybe it was done in mission editor.... or EDGE is faster than prettier. Dunno.

[sobek]

Please dnt start this... it may backfire..:smilewink:

 

Not if you don't take it out of context.

[TaliG]

Not if you don't take it out of context.

 

 

It is complicated...especially when we speak among fellow harcore simers.

[Laivynas]

Well, to be honest I don't see difference between this EDGE screenshot and current engine.

Maybe it was done in mission editor.... or EDGE is faster than prettier. Dunno.

Powered by DX11, it should be faster... Or have same FPS at supperior level of details.

 

Just an estimation.

[joey45]

Somehow I can't really point my finger on it, but something is weired with this image...

 

Maybe it's that the sun is quite low, but not so low that all the exterieur lights and lanterns have to be on?

 

Probably because it's in the Terrain Viewer and not ingame...

[Flagrum]

Probably because it's in the Terrain Viewer and not ingame...

Yeah, possibly.

 

And, yes, it does look (to me) that it is early in the morning there. All quiet and not much ppl around ...

 

But anyhow, granted that I lack any experience when it comes to "early mornings in the desert" ... but still - for ANY "morning" the sun is already quite high above the horizon ... :o)

[Mainstay]

Is that a new model F16 in the shots from Wags?

[joey45]

Can't tell, but deffentaly needs a close looks.

[Boberro]

Powered by DX11, it should be faster... Or have same FPS at supperior level of details.

 

Just an estimation.

 

Yes I hope so ^^

And I hope there were much deeper changes made to get better useability of current processors. Significantly better.

 

I know not all things have been finished, is this lighting even possible to achieve in DCS? IMHO much more realistic than weird DCS colors (I believe this is morning map too):

 

 

Mountains have great tiny fog or whatever that is :)