DCS World 2.0 and New Maps Discussion Thread

[Rotorhead]

I don't think you understand. ED isn't the company that builds the simulators. They licensed their engine to someone that does. You think that company approves of the technology they paid good money for suddenly being available to competitors for 50 bucks? Think again...

 

IIRC both Ka-50 and A-10C were developed for military customers and later ED got permission to sell them as entertainment products, with certain limitations of course.

So technically, it is entirely possible to happen again, but of course it only depends on the decision of the said company.

 

And yeah, then there are military secrets and stuff. So while I'd gladly pay considerable amount of money for it, I'm not holding my breath for DCS:Ka-52... :(

[remon]

IIRC both Ka-50 and A-10C were developed for military customers and later ED got permission to sell them as entertainment products, with certain limitations of course.

So technically, it is entirely possible to happen again, but of course it only depends on the decision of the said company.

 

And yeah, then there are military secrets and stuff. So while I'd gladly pay considerable amount of money for it, I'm not holding my breath for DCS:Ka-52... :(

 

I think Belsimteks Mi 8 is the same.

[HiJack]

:bash: :crazy:

[SkateZilla]

IIRC both Ka-50 and A-10C were developed for military customers and later ED got permission to sell them as entertainment products, with certain limitations of course.

So technically, it is entirely possible to happen again, but of course it only depends on the decision of the said company.

 

And yeah, then there are military secrets and stuff. So while I'd gladly pay considerable amount of money for it, I'm not holding my breath for DCS:Ka-52... :(

 

The Difference Here is the KA-52 and Stuff you're Seeing in these Videos arent Developed by ED.

They (The Company that built the Simulator), are Using ED's Image Renderer, Which they Licensed.

The KA-52 Pit and Everything you see belongs to the company that built the Simulator (The Terrrain, the Specific Cockpits etc).

Edited November 14, 2013 by SkateZilla

[outlawal2]

The Difference Here is the KA-52 and Stuff you're Seeing in these Videos arent Developed by ED.

They (The Company that built the Simulator), are Using ED's Image Renderer, Which they Licensed.

The KA-52 Pit and Everything you see belongs to the company that built the Simulator (The Terrrain, the Specific Cockpits etc).

 

OK, not to put fuel on the fire, then please explain the point of posting pictures showing only the KA-52 cockpit and folks presumably coding for it? As I understand it these pics are being shown as examples of the EDGE graphic engine so pics of terrain and such make perfect sense... Showing cockpit views of the KA-52 serves no purpose in reference to EDGE... Unless it is a teaser for the possible future development of a KA-52 module...

 

I believe you when you say no KA-52 in our future and that what was shown was customer implementations.. But what was the purpose of showing them here in a thread regarding EDGE and starting a firestorm of conjecture?

 

:cry:

[NineLine]

It wasnt an ED Team person that posted those pictures was it?

 

OK, not to put fuel on the fire, then please explain the point of posting pictures showing only the KA-52 cockpit and folks presumably coding for it? As I understand it these pics are being shown as examples of the EDGE graphic engine so pics of terrain and such make perfect sense... Showing cockpit views of the KA-52 serves no purpose in reference to EDGE... Unless it is a teaser for the possible future development of a KA-52 module...

 

I believe you when you say no KA-52 in our future and that what was shown was customer implementations.. But what was the purpose of showing them here in a thread regarding EDGE and starting a firestorm of conjecture?

 

:cry:

[pepin1234]

IIRC both Ka-50 and A-10C were developed for military customers and later ED got permission to sell them as entertainment products, with certain limitations of course.

So technically, it is entirely possible to happen again, but of course it only depends on the decision of the said company.

 

And yeah, then there are military secrets and stuff. So while I'd gladly pay considerable amount of money for it, I'm not holding my breath for DCS:Ka-52... :(

 

I keep saying, should not exist an extreme political about the systems simulated for a DCS category level. The community should understand that a combat simulation enviroment could not exist everything full high fidelity, because the military secrecy.

 

The best example is the really good acceptation of these CAS aircraft like A-10C and Su-25. Some pilots have both and they appreciate and fly both, even when they have differences with the systems level.

 

If exist a Ka-52 or Mi-24 comercial proyect, why not bring us the censored proyect with a level like the Su-25T but with radio and some others minors improvements.

 

After they ensure some comercial contract, do not thinking about the gamer community, will be a big mistake.

[NineLine]

ok, guys, lets try and get back on the rails and keep it EDGE/Nevada related...

[SkateZilla]

OK, not to put fuel on the fire, then please explain the point of posting pictures showing only the KA-52 cockpit and folks presumably coding for it? As I understand it these pics are being shown as examples of the EDGE graphic engine so pics of terrain and such make perfect sense... Showing cockpit views of the KA-52 serves no purpose in reference to EDGE... Unless it is a teaser for the possible future development of a KA-52 module...

 

I believe you when you say no KA-52 in our future and that what was shown was customer implementations.. But what was the purpose of showing them here in a thread regarding EDGE and starting a firestorm of conjecture?

 

:cry:

 

They were posted by someone showing the extent of Concord XXI's (or was it STS Dinamika's) Work and the Similarities with their terrain objects and graphics with EDs Assets..

 

 

As for Edge, the Lens Flares on the Afghan Airbase Lamps were niiiiiiiiiice.

Edited November 14, 2013 by SkateZilla

[NRG-Vampire]

As for Edge, the Lens Flares on the Afghan Airbase Lamps were niiiiiiiiiice.

 

yeah, were nice but maybe that was not a lens flare but huge horizontal mesh and texture

[Cibit]

Love that vid Noodle thanks. I wonder if "Brown outs" will be modeled. I would love the challenge of landing a helo in a dust storm:)

[SkateZilla]

yeah, were nice but maybe that was not a lens flare but huge horizontal mesh and texture

 

They Changed intensity and orientation with the camera angle...

So.. I doubt it (could be wrong though)

[NRG-Vampire]

They Changed intensity and orientation with the camera angle...

So.. I doubt it (could be wrong though)

 

maybe you are right and im wrong but i watched it again focusing on "lens flare" and im pretty sure those are fake spotlight (or als-light) materials: always horizontal and turns toward to camera, visible only from-to a certain angle - strongly visible when camera is front of the pole and getting weaker and weaker when camera moves sideways

[SkateZilla]

maybe you are right and im wrong but i watched it again focusing on "lens flare" and im pretty sure those are fake spotlight (or als-light) materials: always horizontal and turns toward to camera, visible only from-to a certain angle - strongly visible when camera is front of the pole and getting weaker and weaker when camera moves sideways

 

They just dont seem to be the 3d mesh/billboard lights.

 

The way they faded, changed orientation and intensity

 

There's also Flares on Bright Lights from Building Windows.

[upupandaway]

Afghanistan...

 

 

Aargh, it haunts me that there may be an unknown number of secnarios that were developed for some version of EDGE and that might just work perfectly within DCS, if it weren´t for some contractual agreement that prohibits any such use. With all the maps that we have gotten a glimpse of DCS would sure be my new home adress...

 

And BTW: There are some F-16s in the video. Does the current model even have a canopy animation or could those be potential new models within DCS? I can´t really tell.

Or is this just content that was created by AVIA?

[cichlidfan]

And BTW: There are some F-16s in the video. Does the current model even have a canopy animation or could those be potential new models within DCS? I can´t really tell.

Or is this just content that was created by AVIA?

 

If you assume the latter, you will sleep better. :)

[upupandaway]

Luckily that´s not a real problem, I still sleep just fine. But we´ve been shown so much over the last weeks and months and it´s all still out in the open when or if any of this will ever be available - I fear much of this winter might be wasted doing useless and nonsensical things like reading for example... ;)

[Cornbread]

Aargh, it haunts me that there may be an unknown number of secnarios that were developed for some version of EDGE and that might just work perfectly within DCS, if it weren´t for some contractual agreement that prohibits any such use. With all the maps that we have gotten a glimpse of DCS would sure be my new home adress...

 

And BTW: There are some F-16s in the video. Does the current model even have a canopy animation or could those be potential new models within DCS? I can´t really tell.

Or is this just content that was created by AVIA?

 

No, you can't haz Bagram.

[Witchking]

Frankly the models are amazing...but the missing thing is something which was missing even in the current DCS engine.... AI...self awareness...no random infantry...no hustle and bustle in airbases.... no fuel engines moving in to fuel aircraft. The neat things would be when a "player" selects re-arm and refuel...within the 3 min wait..... a fuel truck pulls in..a ground crew moves in to power the aircraft...load new missiles on the aircraft... Also...if we could use the stowed ladder to exit and enter the aircraft... those would be neat things that can really help make a next generation DCS.

[SkateZilla]

Frankly the models are amazing...but the missing thing is something which was missing even in the current DCS engine.... AI...self awareness...no random infantry...no hustle and bustle in airbases.... no fuel engines moving in to fuel aircraft. The neat things would be when a "player" selects re-arm and refuel...within the 3 min wait..... a fuel truck pulls in..a ground crew moves in to power the aircraft...load new missiles on the aircraft... Also...if we could use the stowed ladder to exit and enter the aircraft... those would be neat things that can really help make a next generation DCS.

 

One of the features of EDGE is - Skeleton animation for infantry.

 

So If not done by ED, it could be possible via 3rd party.

[Spook]

When will these "Scenery" in DCS World, within reach of virtual aviators?

[howie87]

No, you can't haz Bagram.

 

I'm 1000% sure ED are already working on a way we can bootleg all this stuff for exactly zero pence :D

[upupandaway]

No, you can't haz Bagram.

 

Do I look like a cat to you? :)

 

But seriously, it´s just a little frustrating to see that somewhere in ED´s licensed engine there are newer maps and models than what is publicly available today. I´m patient though.

[Ganesh]

I think we need a new thread for that Bagram vid!

At min 2:10 a beautiful C-17

And after it? What are these planes with the extended flaps:surprise:???

[howie87]

Let's get Nevada out the door first!

 

Speaking of which, I'd like to see some shots of DCS running in EDGE soon (in cockpit!).

 

Also it would be nice to see what things look like from around 10,000ft.