Oculus Rift and DCS World Discussion

[Chivas]

Combat flight simmers won't be very happy, if the reports are true that the DK2's OLED screendoor effect has very visible black dots. Not to mention the rumour that distance objects become even more blurred with OLED screens.

 

The rumoured limited partner ship with Samsung may be true according to IGN. The alliance is said to the provide Oculus with early access to its next-gen OLED screens, which could alleviate the screendoor/blackdot problem.

 

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/06/02/samsung-working-with-oculus-on-a-vr-headset

[Abburo]

ha ha

[SkateZilla]

Combat flight simmers won't be very happy, if the reports are true that the DK2's OLED screendoor effect has very visible black dots. Not to mention the rumour that distance objects become even more blurred with OLED screens.

 

The rumoured limited partner ship with Samsung may be true according to IGN. The alliance is said to the provide Oculus with early access to its next-gen OLED screens, which could alleviate the screendoor/blackdot problem.

 

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/06/02/samsung-working-with-oculus-on-a-vr-headset

 

OLED has nothing to do with Distance objects being blurred, that's simply a resolution issue, along with the screendoor/blackdot effect.

 

 

OLED > LED > LCD.

[Chivas]

OLED has nothing to do with Distance objects being blurred, that's simply a resolution issue, along with the screendoor/blackdot effect.

 

 

OLED > LED > LCD.

 

 

I'm sure that OLED has many better attributes than LED screen especially in regards to latencies, but there are many discussion in the Oculus and redit forums, and users of the DK2 that the screendoor effect is worse. So this could suggest that at equal resolutions the OLED may not be superior to LED.

 

I'm sure the OR team are well aware of any issue these displays might have and are in the process procuring the best display possible within user system tolerances, atleast for the first consumer version.

[bongodriver]

Weird, at the Oculus forums the general opinion is that DK2 has less screen door from the very few that are getting to use it so far and all the opinion on pentile being bad is pure speculation.

[Chivas]

Weird, at the Oculus forums the general opinion is that DK2 has less screen door from the very few that are getting to use it so far and all the opinion on pentile being bad is pure speculation.

 

I agree, reports of the Crystal Cove/DK2 screendoor effect was less at other shows. Some people at ITEC report more screendoor effect when running DCS. Well it won't be long before we receive the DK2 in July, where we can make our own minds up, how much a distraction the screen door effect has on this particular prototype of the OR.

[SkateZilla]

I'm sure that OLED has many better attributes than LED screen especially in regards to latencies, but there are many discussion in the Oculus and redit forums, and users of the DK2 that the screendoor effect is worse. So this could suggest that at equal resolutions the OLED may not be superior to LED.

 

I'm sure the OR team are well aware of any issue these displays might have and are in the process procuring the best display possible within user system tolerances, atleast for the first consumer version.

 

You sure about that? DK2 is still limited distribution; And the info I have from people that have used it is the exact opposite.

 

OLED = Better Color, Better Contrast, Better Black Levels, Faster Response Times/Refresh Rate, Less Ghosting, Wider Viewing Angle, Higher Pixel Density, Smaller Pixels (which leads back to Density/res.), Uses Less Power, Puts out less Heat etc.

 

Do you actually know anything about OLED (ie How it works) or are you going by what people are stating on Reddit? (Serious question, not a stab or anything.)

 

I have several OLED Devices and they are significantly better than LCD/LED BackLight Panels.

 

Pixel for Pixel the clarity should be the same, the difference being OLED is Illuminated per pixel and not globally.

 

 

As for Signing a Deal with Samsung..

 

My Samsung Smartphone has a Higher Overall Resolution than my brother's 42" HDTV. Sooooo.. :)

Edited June 2, 2014 by SkateZilla

[Chivas]

You sure about that? DK2 is still limited distribution; And the info I have from people that have used it is the exact opposite.

 

OLED = Better Color, Better Contrast, Better Black Levels, Faster Response Times/Refresh Rate, Less Ghosting, Wider Viewing Angle, Higher Pixel Density, Smaller Pixels (which leads back to Density/res.), Uses Less Power, Puts out less Heat etc.

 

Do you actually know anything about OLED (ie How it works) or are you going by what people are stating on Reddit? (Serious question, not a stab or anything.)

 

I have several OLED Devices and they are significantly better than LCD/LED BackLight Panels.

 

Pixel for Pixel the clarity should be the same, the difference being OLED is Illuminated per pixel and not globally.

 

 

As for Signing a Deal with Samsung..

 

My Samsung Smartphone has a Higher Overall Resolution than my brother's 42" HDTV. Sooooo.. :)

 

I have no experience with OLED screens, and glean most of my info from people who do, and even then take the info with a grain of salt. I still think OLED is the best choice especially in regards to latency, as high latencies will kill VR quicker than anything else. That said some of the detractors have made what appear to be valid points, and I'm reserving my judgment until I personally see the DK2 in action this July. Knowing full well its still just a prototype.

Edited June 2, 2014 by Chivas

[blksolo]

I havent placed an order for DK2 yet,I'm waiting to see if they announce a release date for CV1 at E3 next week. If they dont announce anything I will assume a 2015 release date and sell my DK1 and order a DK2. Even if the resolution is only marginally better than DK1 it will be worth the money in DCS for the 6dof alone. P.S. anyone want to buy a trackir5 dirt cheap? lol

[Chivas]

The issue appears to be the difference between the DK1 RGB display, and the DK2 OLED pentile display if infact it is a pentile display. A pentile display has more green pixels than red or blue so they say you only have a true resolution of lets say 1080P when viewed against a green background. Pentile apparantly loses 1/3 of its stated resolution. A Pentile screen can show a larger screen door effect than an RGB screen, at the same resolution, because of the different matrix, so this might be the effect some people are seeing.

 

Then of course Samsung has Super AMOLED, and the even better Super AMOLED PLUS displays. I don't think it has been stated what display in in the DK2 other than an OLED 1080P. If the rumour is true that Samsung is now a limited partner, finding a decent display shouldn't be a problem.

[Jeesus]

Hey Peeps! I made some research on oculus VR dev forums regarding the amd and black screen problem. I found some clues what could it be, but due to my non-existent skillset in graphical programming, I didn't absolutely understand the point. Originally this black screen problem popped up with the firebox 3D, which is a browser for OR, here's a quote from the dev that solved the Black Screen:

 

@nukemarine - try the download again! I believe the issue was a difference between what nVidia and AMD cards tolerate in regards to parsing shader languages. I accidentally declared a "float4" rather than a "vec4" which nVidia seems to be OK with - but not AMD apparently (I have nVidia GTX670 myself). Anyway the shader is updated, re-download from the project link and give it another try! Hopefully it works for you now.

 

Maybe that can help the team figure out a solution.

 

Cheers

[SkateZilla]

ED at E3:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2082048#post2082048

[blksolo]

With that news I think this sub forum should be put on the front topic page of the website not buried here since it will be a selling point in the near future,just my opinion.

Edited June 3, 2014 by blksolo

[boris putin]

Hey Peeps! I made some research on oculus VR dev forums regarding the amd and black screen problem. I found some clues what could it be, but due to my non-existent skillset in graphical programming, I didn't absolutely understand the point. Originally this black screen problem popped up with the firebox 3D, which is a browser for OR, here's a quote from the dev that solved the Black Screen:

 

 

 

Maybe that can help the team figure out a solution.

 

Cheers

 

Thanks Jeesus.

Do you have a link to the forum page you are quoting from?

i am not sure what they mean either but i have 5 days off of work coming up and would love it if i can get this black screen issue fixed.

So want DSC working in my Oculus with my AMD R-290.

[Jeesus]

Thanks Jeesus.

Do you have a link to the forum page you are quoting from?

i am not sure what they mean either but i have 5 days off of work coming up and would love it if i can get this black screen issue fixed.

So want DSC working in my Oculus with my AMD R-290.

 

Yep, there you are:

 

https://developer.oculusvr.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=1309&p=88796&hilit=amd+black+screen#p88796

 

I'm not sure if it is somethin that externally can be solved, looking really forward to it though, DK2 is on the way and if doesn't work in DCS with my 7950 I'm going to be maaaaaad :cry:

[boris putin]

Yep, there you are:

 

https://developer.oculusvr.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=1309&p=88796&hilit=amd+black+screen#p88796

 

I'm not sure if it is somethin that externally can be solved, looking really forward to it though, DK2 is on the way and if doesn't work in DCS with my 7950 I'm going to be maaaaaad :cry:

 

Thanks Again, Jeesus

 

so want it to work with DK1 and DCS.

 

I love the little helicopter demo were you can fly around the battleship. i think it is heli hell (?) it is great fun and such a tease.

Cmon DCS guys please help us!! please!

[cichlidfan]

Another Valve employee now at Oculus.

 

Please welcome Jason Holtman, Oculus’ new Head of Platform!

A driving force behind Steam since its earliest days, Jason brings incredible experience building entertainment platforms for both users and developers. At Valve, Jason was a pioneer in the digital distribution revolution that’s taken place over the last decade.

[Chivas]

I'm not devoted to any hardware company like AMD, INTEL, or NVIDIA. I just buy the one currently providing the best performance. Currently I have a INTEL/NVIDIA rig because it provides the best performance for the sims I use.

 

Now these companies are gearing up to optimize their hardware for VR use, as this Road to VR article suggests. Our systems will be critical to a decent VR experience, so we should start doing some research into our next system with VR in mind.

 

Two Reasons You Will Want to Buy a New Gaming Rig for the Oculus Rift CV1 http://www.roadtovr.com/

[cichlidfan]

Until the CV1 is at least in reviewers hands, there isn't anything to research. I would also expect much extra hype trying to convince people that an upgrade is mandatory if they want to use a VR setup. Of that, most of it will be BS.

[SkateZilla]

Until the CV1 is at least in reviewers hands, there isn't anything to research. I would also expect much extra hype trying to convince people that an upgrade is mandatory if they want to use a VR setup. Of that, most of it will be BS.

 

I can Run DCS in Dual 960x1080 Viewport mode just fine now, no upgrade needed.

All I need is the head mounted display to hook to the PC :)

 

That way I can have my SimPit for DCS/iRacing/whatever using Oculus Rift, and leave my screens on my desk for work.

[cichlidfan]

I can Run DCS in Dual 960x1080 Viewport mode just fine now, no upgrade needed.

 

Precisely. If everyone who wants a Rift were to be convinced that they need a new machine (or even a new $500 graphics card) it would do serious harm to the sales potential of the devices.

Edited June 4, 2014 by cichlidfan

[Scoggs]

Saw this pop up on the Oculus reddit

http://vrfocus.com/archives/3764/first-oculus-rift-e3-booth-demo-revealed/

 

Sounds promising!

Edited June 5, 2014 by Scoggs
Used img tags instead of url on accident

[cichlidfan]

Saw this pop up on the Oculus reddit

http://vrfocus.com/archives/3764/first-oculus-rift-e3-booth-demo-revealed/

 

Sounds promising!

 

That first image is a bit of a surprise.

 

EDIT: I am guessing that someone just grabbed pics, associated with DCS, from the googleverse.

Edited June 5, 2014 by cichlidfan

[Scoggs]

That first image is a bit of a surprise.

 

EDIT: I am guessing that someone just grabbed pics, associated with DCS, from the googleverse.

 

Heh didn't even realize until you mentioned it. I just scrolled immediately to the article. But I agree, if I had to guess he didn't know what DCS was.

 

Edit: Actually on second read, he definitely does not know what DCS is based on below quote.

 

" The PC title is a free-to-play experience available now, offering players an array of air, land and sea vehicles and weapons, which can be utilised in both an extensive campaign editor as well as multiplayer. "

Edited June 5, 2014 by Scoggs

[SkateZilla]

someone should send him a link to Wags Official Announcement... lol.