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[MadCow]

Advanced and Simple Flight Model

 

Wow, I'm going to blame a lack of coffee this morning on not figuring that out lol. Thanks SiTh!

[SkateZilla]

Acrylic and Stain Flight Model.

[EtherealN]

There's no shared codebase defined as AFM, if I understand correctly. Each AFM is unique, - i.e. A-10C has its' own AFM, GBU-12 - its' own, etc. Su-25 AFM is kind of dated, since it has been introduced in 2005 with FC1, IIRC.

 

Correct.

[cichlidfan]

So the term 'advanced' is being applied much like 'new & improved' is used on many commercial products. Now I understand. ;)

[Rusty_M]

Quite to the contrary, cichlidfan. The term "advanced" actually makes a difference in the DCS/flaming cliffs world.

[NineLine]

So the term 'advanced' is being applied much like 'new & improved' is used on many commercial products. Now I understand. ;)

 

As seen on TV

 

[sobek]

So the term 'advanced' is being applied much like 'new & improved' is used on many commercial products. Now I understand. ;)

 

No. The mathematical approach to creating AFMs is probably somewhat similar, however due to the differences in airframes, the resulting code is completely different. The approach however is much more sophisticated than for SFM. The distinction being made is not people trying to sell you snake oil.

[cichlidfan]

The approach however is much more sophisticated than for SFM.

 

If the 2005 AFM is not at the same level of 'sophistication' as the 2010 AFM used in the A-10C then the term 'advanced' is merely a generalization that does not equate to any specific level of accuracy aside from 'greater than SFM'.

 

I seem to recall one of the third-parties mentioning and EAFM, or something like that, as something even better thus adding to the overall sense of vagueness about the term.

Edited February 15, 2013 by cichlidfan

[sobek]

If the 2005 AFM is not at the same level of 'sophistication' as the 2010 AFM used in the A-10C then the term 'advanced' is merely a generalization that does not equate to any specific level of accuracy aside from 'greater than SFM'.

 

It does not stand for a level of accuracy, it stands for the approach to obtaining a flight model, like the application of finite element analysis. Apart from that i'm not sure what they really do for the AFM, however the difference in post stall flight behaviour is quite noticeable when going from SFM to AFM and that goes for all generations of AFM.

 

I seem to recall one of the third-parties mentioning and EAFM, or something like that, as something even better thus adding to the overall sense of vagueness about the term.

 

EFM stands for external, it means that 3rd parties can plug in their own flight model, that by its own is no indicator of quality or sophistication, though.

[Dejjvid]

This is why I argued about the use of EFM. It only states its external FM, not if it is simple or advanced...

 

EAFM and ESFM is a better abbreviation imho.

 

An exact definition of AFM would be nice though.

[MTFDarkEagle]

This is why I argued about the use of EFM. It only states its external FM, not if it is simple or advanced...

 

EAFM and ESFM is a better abbreviation imho.

 

An exact definition of AFM would be nice though.

 

The EFM is just what the developer makes of it. If a developer decides to use a different name (i.e. EAFM/ESFM) it's up to them I suppose.

[cichlidfan]

The EFM is just what the developer makes of it.

 

 

 

Apparently, so is AFM. To use Sobek's example, the application of Finite Element Modeling does automatically provide a more accurate result.

Edited February 15, 2013 by cichlidfan

[SkateZilla]

SFM = Standard Flight Model, Most Aerodynamics are modeled, but controller and stall behavior amongst other things are the same.

 

AFM = Advanded Flight Model, Used by ED, Aerodynamics, Controller Input systems & Logic, weight shift, Engine Data., everything is programed used realistic numbers from Wind tunnels and test data etc.

 

EFM = External Flight Model, Used by 3rd parties, Developed and compiled using EDs Plugin, can vary in fidelity, depends on 3rd parties available data on aerodynamics, and control surface systems etc.

[Arrowhead]

Are we there yet?!?!

[Boberro]

This waiting for 1.2.3 is alike to Samsung release of Jelly Bean Android for SGS II users. It's been said November, then December. Then January, February, now March.

 

This 1.2.3 takes a bit long to release, indeed - hope it won't be March, same as Samsung :P

[SkateZilla]

Im still waiting for DisplayPORT 2.0 MST Hubs.... since 2010.

[Arrowhead]

This waiting for 1.2.3 is alike to Samsung release of Jelly Bean Android for SGS II users. It's been said November, then December. Then January, February, now March.

 

This 1.2.3 takes a bit long to release, indeed - hope it won't be March, same as Samsung :P

 

How can it be March? I thought it was finished... :(

[Raven68]

Are we there yet?!?!

 

Going into another weekend and all is quiet again except for us that continue to stir up the folks that will say "Be patient, It will be ready when it's ready"(printing t-shirts for this btw), or "Take your time ED we can wait". :music_whistling: I have the BS2 to get the hang of anyways so I will use my time for that and wait until it is done. :)

[SkateZilla]

I believe people people mis-read WAGs, Post, or didnt read into the tone of it.

 

A. The Testing Occured.

B. he stated that the turnout wasnt what they hoped,

C. making another installer

 

 

conclusion? they prepped the installer, but they are prolly gonna do another try at testing more this weekend before it's released.

[Arrowhead]

I believe people people mis-read WAGs, Post, or didnt read into the tone of it.

 

A. The Testing Occured.

B. he stated that the turnout wasnt what they hoped,

C. making another installer

 

 

conclusion? they prepped the installer, but they are prolly gonna do another try at testing more this weekend before it's released.

 

That's not at all what it sounded like to most people. He said they are making a new release installer to release "soon". Everybody here took that to mean that testing was done and release is imminent. If that was not the case, you'd think WAGS himself would have corrected us at some point during the week... :music_whistling:

[SkateZilla]

Would you have corrected everyone if you were in that position? or would you have watched the carnage and laughed.

 

In the real world "Soon" means within a few hours, a day or two at most.

In the software world "soon" means, withing a few days, a week or two, and anytime after that.

Edited February 15, 2013 by SkateZilla

[joey45]

I would personally watch and laugh..... And make bets..

[Raven68]

This was part of post on Monday...

 

Today we are building a new release installer for 1.2.3 that we hope to release soon.

 

I guess you can interpret this in a few ways. I took it that there was more testing of the installer (to be done during the course of the week maybe?) and possibly releasing during weekend if not before. I do see what Skates is saying though. The weekend is likely to get most of the testers together to really put a thorough test on the latest installer. As I said earlier in the week we are still not out of the woods so I am sitting back waiting for the magic show.

Edited February 15, 2013 by Raven68

[SkateZilla]

if testing goes well, then the installer is already done and ready to go...

 

But there is always Fighter OPS.

[Arrowhead]

Christ... If MP is still a crashfest, they should just push the MP testing and fixing to 1.2.4 and release 1.2.3 as is, beause this is getting ridiculous...