DCS World - An Overview Video

[Exorcet]

Kaktus, the problem here is that you're assuming F-15C = 1990 model. You can't, we don't know what F-15C we're getting F-15C covers everything from the mid 80's to now. The lastest AESA equipped F-15's are C's.

 

The FC F-15 is a mix of different version that doesn't actually exist. Given that DCS is of higher fidelity, we could assume that the DCS version is going to be very different. The DCS F-15 might be a decade more advanced than what is in FC3.

 

I'll say that either way, I don't care. I'll be flying the F-15 all day. Maybe I'll install my second copy on my other computer so I can be my own wingman.

[GGTharos]

The FC3 F-15C is pretty much a 1989 model with many, many missing features (from 1989!). I would expect the DCS F-15C to be quite a bit later model ... which again would be a decade ahead of the Su-27SM, though I don't expect the things that make the F-15 maintain its BVR superiority to be simulated, so I would expect those two aircraft to basically have relative parity.

[Bruce_D]

Can someone tell me if this is the cockpit from Su-27SM and wich version it is (SM1, SM2 or SM3)?

Does anybody know how many SU-27SM are in service?

And for my last question, can anybody translate what’s written on the middle display?

[Raven68]

again, F-22, eurofighter all that is non-sense since most of the data is top secret.. i think it shouldn't belong to the DCS but to FC or other projects..

 

About F-15C, ..again, we are talking about C model, which is OLD model and cannot compare with 4++ generation fighters .. AT ALL..

 

You mistaken the F-15C with D or other improved and UP-TO-DATE versions.. of course the up-to-date version of F-15 can be more than an equal to even Eurofighter.. but it cannot be SUPERIOR anymore. .there is no such thing as superiority with fighting jets that are your peers.. that is why nations such as China, Russia are developing the 5th generation to be at least a peer (even if not totally equal to F-22) because if you are fighting a plane 1 generation ahead of you its no competition anymore..

 

So, to compare F-15C from the 90's with a plane from the 2007 is absurd ..

Again, the missile matters not, because the platform is old.. its like firing Amraam from Mig-21 against F-15C )) who do you think would win? ..F-15C without a doubt.. cuz F-15C would find out the Mig-21 sooner, launch his missile sooner cuz it would lock on him sooner and destroy him sooner.. who cares about the missile.. of course missile is important.. but the platform is even more..

 

What i'm saying is there is no superiority for the F-15C model at all compared to the Su-27SM, or god forbid the Eurofighter.. and this is what USAF wants when engaging an enemy-SUPERIORITY..

 

this is simulation here, which means we are stuck with what can be reasonably guess and simulated-and 5th generation do not apply..

 

This actually gives you the picture of why USAF started developing the 5th generation fighter in the first place..to make distance from the Sukhois 3-4 gen. fighters.. since if this is not made, you are fighting a battle that can SWING anyway.. and this is not good if your strategy is based on superiority and dominance of the skies..

 

about the missiles again, look Su-27SM armed with SARH missiles is more than able to destroy 8 targets at the same time, target them, launch, and track them and destroy them.. all without ACTIVE seeker head of the R77 or Amraam equivalent .. why?cuz of the much more advanced radar than what F-15C model uses.. put that with ECM suite, burn through range, and you have yourself a big problem flying the F-15 vs. Su27SM.. and rightfully so, anything less would be unbelievably stupid to do in a simulation which would not reflect reality..

 

So have you flown and been in combat with an F-15C??:music_whistling:

[Kaktus29]

@teapot .. trying to paint me anti-west will not work, as i have stated many times a simple fact that Silent Eagle (the most up-to-date F-15) is more than able to fight anything out there at the moment, and have stated also F-22 has no equals .. i don't have a bias towards REALITY such as a modern fighter that is up-to-date(and Su-27SM certainly belongs to this category) has a serious electronic advantage and radar advantage vs. the original basic F-15C from the 90s..

 

for you to be this "bias" or whatever you mentioned means you are the one biased.. sorry if i "hurt" your feelings because of stating facts..

 

for you to say those are not facts is like saying intel processor i7 is not better then Celeron from the 2002 because i don't provide you with the "link" to prove my words )) lol..

 

sorry, i cannot provide link for logic.. you are on your own there..

 

have a nice day old chap..

[Maler]

Can someone tell me if this is the cockpit from Su-27SM and wich version it is (SM1, SM2 or SM3)?

 

Does anybody know how many SU-27SM are in service?

 

And for my last question, can anybody translate what’s written on the middle display?

 

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[Bruce_D]

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Tks! I thought it was a new RWR design. :doh:

[danilop]

If SU-27SM is result of ED contract with Sukhoi and/or RuAF (I don't think that it would be possible to get state clearance to release gen 4+ aircraft otherwise), DCS model would represent the real thing, nothing less realistic than A-10c module.

 

I would like that ED get another contract with USAF, for F-15c simulator this time - that's basically the only way to get realistic data, especially for recent revision in avionics department. Until that happen, I doubt the realism of F-15c and A-A NATO missiles in DCSW.

Edited January 18, 2013 by danilop

[GGTharos]

The Su-27SM is not a 4+ gen aircraft. The Su-35BM most likely qualifies though, and easily.

 

So does the F-15C/GE, but not previous F-15C's.

 

As for realism of AA missiles, there's fairly solid information on those (or at least, as solid as you can get. There's more info in some ways than there is for R-77, though there's adequate info for that, too).

[SkateZilla]

Quickest 26 page thread Ever

[Snoopy]

@teapot .. trying to paint me anti-west will not work, as i have stated many times a simple fact that Silent Eagle (the most up-to-date F-15)....

 

You do realize the Silent Eagle is not in production right?! IIRC the latest production F-15 is the "K" model for South Korea.

 

Doesn't matter though, no way ED has access to or the permission if they do have access to the latest Tech Orders to release a modern (as in the last few years) varient of the F-15C.

 

The A-10C modeled in DCS is from around 2005 and many things have changed since then avionics wise, we are on suite 7+ currently.

[danilop]

Well, I don't want to argue about classification of airplanes (it depends who is classifying and almost all sources I tend to believe in put SU-27SM firmly in 4+ category)

 

If MiG 29m is classified as 4++ (by Mikoyan), and plain SU-27 as 4th generation, SU-27SM is obviously somewhere in between. :)

 

The Su-27SM is not a 4+ gen aircraft. ...

Edited January 18, 2013 by danilop

[GGTharos]

If you think about 4+ and 5th gen, pretty much - and I guess you are right, no point in arguing this - 4+ gen is marked by having certain types of equipment like an AESA/PESA radar, data links, HOBS weapons with helmet displays etc.

 

The 27SM is a decade behind golden eagles, if not more, but then again, a DCS eagle is very very unlikely to be a golden eagle (you can't even find cockpit pics on the net, I think). At least half of the USA F-15C's, IIRC, received the GE upgrade, which includes new comp[uting and radar components, new cockpit drivers, IRST, TEWS upgrades, etc, and of course the AESA radar.

 

And here's the problem with the classifications too, is that it just might be a moving target.

 

Well, I don't want to argue about classification of airplanes (it depends who is classifying and almost all sources put SU-27SM in 4+ category)

 

If MiG 29m is classified as 4++ (by Mikoyan), and plain SU-27 as 4th generation, SU-27SM is obviously somewhere in between. :)

[Sov13t]

Tks! I thought it was a new RWR design. :doh:

 

It is the new RWR (above the message). The message is transposed over the RWR screen. All SM aircraft have similar cockpit (as pictured). SM1, 2 (which didn't really exist) and 3.

Edited January 18, 2013 by Sov13t

[Mnemonic]

Tks! I thought it was a new RWR design. :doh:

I think it is RWR on top and message from "Ekran" on the bottom, both output graphics to middle display.

[Teknetinium]

I believe everyone should be happy, specially my self where two of my favorite aircraft's are confirmed to be developed, Su-27+ and F-18+. Wow that's nice.

Mirage 2000 would be great as well.

Edited January 18, 2013 by Teknetinium

[GGTharos]

I thought there was a Mirage F-1 in development by someone ... RAZBAM maybe? :)

[Silver_Dragon]

Negative, a Spanish team.

[Stratos]

Exciting news. Hope the Mi-24 is a D version with rotating gun in chin turret. Also, wondering If the Su-27SM can use guided A-G ammo.

[159th_Viper]

I thought there was a Mirage F-1 in development by someone ...

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ejercito-Del-Aire-Dcs-World/169405133119683?ref=ts&fref=ts

[Teknetinium]

Exciting news. Hope the Mi-24 is a D version with rotating gun in chin turret. Also, wondering If the Su-27SM can use guided A-G ammo.

 

 

yes it can if Im not confusing it whit M3. As I understand It has similar radar to Su-30.

[sobek]

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Do you know if all AN/APG-63(V)3 equipped Eagles got upgraded to the Golden Eagle standard?

[alexiao73]

Great video and presentation Matt! :thumbup: It really provides to customers a detailed overview of DCS World. A pitty that I've already paid for A10 & Ka50, otherwise I would run to buy them...

Hope next fighter module will be announced asap :pilotfly:and that it will be a F15 or F18 :D:D.

Can you all imagine what would be flying a DCS-F15C into Edge Nevada map??? mmmmmmmmmh

;)

[GGTharos]

There are supposed to be 179 GE's, all of which are equipped with the v3 among other things.

 

I don't know if there are non-GE's equipped with v2's or v'3's.

 

Do you know if all AN/APG-63(V)3 equipped Eagles got upgraded to the Golden Eagle standard?

[Stratos]

Great great new for the Su27SM then. Hope someone release a Phantom in the future too.