Sandman1330

@baltic_dragon: Good news and bad news to report this evening. Good news: Your fixed mission 8 solves the push issue, I was able to complete the entire mission. Until... Bad news: The AI F14 crash is still present. DCS froze on RTB 40NM from the boat. My log is attached, and I'll throw it into the main crash thread as well.dcs.log Question / Suggestion: There is an old F14A AI model still available in game. The 3D model would have looked bad in the old US Navy Fighters game from the 1990s, but would switching all the AI F14s to that model present a possible temporary workaround? I know I'd take an ugly AI F14 over the crashes. Thoughts?

Sure!

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Oh ED, how can I stay mad at you when you do stuff like this!!! I am entertained. I am very entertained.

Thanks BD! I don't have time tonight to attempt the whole mission, but I flew it as far as push time, and all the AI flights pushed as fragged. I'll fly the whole mission hopefully tomorrow. And on a side note.... null

No worries, I understand your frustration! Mine has been showing lately too. This was in the F14 section of the 2.8 changelog, so here's hoping... null

Well to be fair, do we know yet if 2.8 has fixed the F14 bug? There was a possible fix in the change log. I haven’t tried missions 3&4 since the update.

Thank you BD, but it’s not necessary. I may have overreacted a bit as I was very much looking forward to 2.8 fixing the DCS side issues so I could proceed with the campaign, only to be hit with this other bug. I won’t be asking for any refunds, and I genuinely do recognize these issues aren’t on your end I did express my thoughts to ED regarding how the base engine is seriously beginning to impact the playability of complex missions, as bugs begin to stack one on top of another. Based on their response I’m not convinced my input was taken seriously, but short of purchasing no more modules for the time being, there isn’t much else to do! If you have the ear of the devs, if you haven’t already done so, perhaps identifying to them the difficulties you and your loyal followers are facing may help?

I’ve tried submitting bug reports, with tracks and logs, but they usually go unanswered to be honest. And it’s not as if “2, ejecting” isn’t already a well known joke around these parts… The last straw for me today has been Raven One. I’ve been trying to work through it for the last few weeks but it’s been mostly unplayable due to crashes (I’ve been very active providing bug reports and logs on the F14 AI bug issue), then just when that issue may be solved, the campaign is broken by triggers. It’s just frustrating to purchase a campaign, then wait for the next patch to actually play it, only to find that patch breaks it in a different way.

Sorry, I didn’t mean performance in this patch, just in general. The AI BFM is a nice update. But AI elsewhere is hopeless, easily seen in an even moderately complex Liberation mission. Wingmen who just randomly crash, run out of fuel, don’t do anything to support the mission. Effectively, DCS is functional for very simple things. Go do some BFM, go do some BVR, go do an isolated bombing or CAS mission. Anything more complex and it starts to fall down on performance and poor AI. Single player campaigns are so highly scripted to work around these limitations that the triggers break with updates. And the simple stuff isn’t enough after awhile.

Not a good patch from my side: 1. Vaicom Pro rendered unusable; 2. Raven One Dominant Fury triggers broken; 3. Night carrier launch crews are messed up (their wands float in space); 4. Issues with shadows; 5. (Ongoing issues) Promised performance improvements not materializing, bad AI, etc... I'm losing faith. It might be time to take a break from DCS. I've been trying to work through Raven One, but the constant crashes due (we think) to the AI F14 bug rendered it unplayable. Now that bug (might) be fixed, but the mission won't progress due to trigger issues. Maybe I'll return when (if) 3.0 arrives, but I just find myself fighting frustration every time I try to get something going in this game lately. It's too bad, I've been playing this game since... 2014? Edit: so before people start coming aboard me for this, note I’m not throwing stones or being belligerent in any way. I do care about this software and this community, so I feel it important the devs know why they are losing a customer, and that I do hope to return one day. But the simple fact is the current state of the game has fallen below the standard I believe is reasonable considering the… $1000 or so I’ve invested in the company?

So, since Mission 8 (and most others) kept crashing, I figured I'd wait until the 2.8 patch before trying to proceed with the campaign. Well, 2.8 has broken Mission 8. Noone pushes from waypoint 1. All the flights call pushing, but they just keep orbiting waypoint 1. I mean, I'm sorry and I know this will be an unpopular opinion but... the campaign has been unplayable since I bought it. Crashes, bugs, workarounds, broken triggers.... Most of it is on the ED side, but it doesn't change the fact that I've purchased an unplayable campaign. I haven't enjoyed a single mission yet that has gone flawlessly without some kind of bug or crash. I'm seriously considering a support ticket for refund. I don't like it as I've enjoyed BD's work up to now (and I don't believe most of these issues are even his fault), but until folks start voting with wallets, we'll continue to waste money and time on buggy substandard software. Am I being too harsh? I can't be the only one feeling this way...

Could you elaborate? I waited.... forever... for Red to engage. I circled and circled after Red was cleared to engage, he didn't do anything. So I thought, am I supposed to engage? When I fired, then I got the voiceover that Red was engaging. Then, after I'd destroyed the vehicle Red was supposed to destroy, I got the voiceover to engage myself. So I strafed the second vehicle. And nothing happened. So I strafed the third vehicle. Still nothing happened. Then DCS crashed. Was I supposed to wait even longer? I mean, I'd waited 5+ minutes after Red said he was already in a position to engage and was cleared. I could have rifled 10 mavericks in the time I waited.

No dice. F14 disabled in mod manager, still crashed on Mission 8.

Hopefully the Heatblur fix solves the problem. In the event it doesn’t, disabling the F14 in the mod manager has so far seemed to work for me. I haven’t played much, it in that time I haven’t seen another crash.

Regarding the wheel chock workaround for Mission 6, my experience is actually the opposite: You have to leave the wheel chocks ON until the tomcat hits you. If I have wheel chocks ON, I don't take any damage. If I have wheel chocks OFF, I take damage.

Is it preceded by a brief blue screen flash? This is a frequent problem, usually caused by a number of factors. Could be a bad cable, could be USB suspend kicking in (turn this off!), could be the headset going to sleep (WMR settings, tell it never to sleep). And I see you have an AMD system similar to mine - there have been known compatibility issues with AMD chipsets forever. I get this now and again and still haven't been able to chase it down, I think it's a hardware issue with my headset itself (or the aforementioned AMD compatibility), but mine is always preceded by a blue screen in the headset.

I’ve received a tip in the Raven One forum to disable the F14 module in the mod manager. OFC it means you can’t fly the tomcat but apparently it has worked for some. I haven’t tried it yet but we will see how it shakes out.

Oh cool, will do, thx.

I know there are a lot of crash threads, but none that I've found have specifically mentioned these two missions. Yesterday, Mission 3 kept crashing consistently at waypoint 8, just as it transitions to the RTB phase. After 4 attempts, skipped the mission. Today, Mission 4 crashed on return to the boat (20NM out). It sounds like the AI Tomcat bug (game just freezes up, no error message, no crash log, just frozen), but I hadn't seen it mentioned in any other threads for these specific missions yet. Anyone else, or am I alone on this one?

Are people still having this problem, or is it just me? I'm having consistent crashes in the Raven One Dominant Fury campaign, in every case it's on RTB to the boat... The campaign is effectively unplayable due to these crashes.

My issues are coming and going. Right now (knock on wood) I haven’t seen the issue in awhile. I’m wondering if it’s not my cable. The issue seemed to stop when I updated my AMD Adrenaline drivers… But I thought I had it solved before only to have it return, so time will tell.

My local computer store has re-stocked, they now have plenty of stock. Yay! Here's hoping prices will fall even more.

Concur, and it makes sense. Since AM5 mobos and DDR5 are so expensive, AM4 still provides a lower cost option with DDR4. Intel’s latest support both DDR4 and DDR5, AM5 is DDR5 only.