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Where's the MFD?

Taking this post in the context of the entire thread, I am truly speechless.

Okay, thanks. And it isn’t that I don’t trust you, it’s just that we disagree on this. I stand by the opinion that the F-5, as it is right now, would be considered completely unsafe and unsuitable for flight, let alone combat IRL. There just aren’t any airplanes in the air that will break so dramatically performing their designed tasks. Considering the dramatic g excursion I demonstrated, I think this is one case where the onus would be on ED to provide evidence. Are there any recorded incidence of F-5 wings ripping off? Were the pilots of the 20 countries operating it just so well trained and disciplined that they avoided the problem? Has any SME verified the jet needed such careful handling to remain within the operating limits and that wings breaking off was a real consequence they lived with? Other than all that, I really don’t know what else can be said. The F-5 module is very popular in Enigma’s Cold War server because it’s really the only Blue Air fighter option. I imagine that many players who are frustrated with it will just switch over to the F-4 when it’s mature enough.

To recap, I am of the opinion that the biggest part of the problem is in the controls input. Specifically, very little stick movement results in high g spikes. Please watch the attached track with the controls indicator displayed on your monitor. There are no pitch curves, fuel is 51%. It starts at 300kts with a full deflection pull to show I have full deflection authority with my stick. I then accelerate to 550kts, wings level, and pull 10 g's pretty rapidly with a stick deflection of about 1/3. Is this as intended? F-5 control stick deflection.trk

We will have to agree to disagree, but thanks for taking the time.

We are just going around in circles here. Bottomline is ED sees nothing wrong with the current performance.

Evidence of what? That F-5’s wings don’t snap off in real life under aggressive maneuvering? No, I don’t. But there are plenty of former F-5 pilots to ask. Doesn’t it raise any flags that a jet used exclusively for air combat training with the USAF Aggressors, Navy/Marine Adversaries, and Topgun would be so fragile in DCS? They certainly weren’t safely pulling 10g’s. But they were able to aggressively maneuver while staying within the limits.

The track was recorded with no curves. Like I wrote above, I really don’t care if the wings break at 10g’s. But right now it only takes a very small amount of stick movement to get it that high. What should be expected is the ability to aggressively maneuver the jet without inadvertently spiking to such high g’s.

Again, it’s not just the g force, but the small amount of stick movement required to spike it at high speed. But you’re are clearly flying the jet and don’t see anything wrong with it. And I assume no one else at ED sees anything wrong either. Since that’s the case, I can’t believe any amount of tracks will change anything I really hate to rant, but at this point this just feels like a waste of time.

Maybe. But what do I know. Apparently I can't remember the difference between ailerons and elevators. However, I could live with the wings snapping at 10g, as unrealistic as it probably is, if I had reasonable control of the elevators.

Yes, exactly. Pitch input is the issue. Thanks

Even ignoring the wings snapping below 10g, the bigger problem is how easy it is to reach those g levels. Something in the code is making the ailerons way too sensitive compared to control stick input. Such a setup in real life would make the jet unflyable.

It's the way Sparrows work IRL. Phoenix and AMRAAM are the TWS missiles for the U.S.

Why is this in the Mirage F1 Bugs and Problems thread?

I'd submit a ticket to Support here: Trouble tickets (digitalcombatsimulator.com) They'll get you squared away

Yes, mil power is always max without afterburner

I just checked using the instant action mission. It hooked up and launched without issue.

That’s interesting. I too have a Reverb G2 and have no problems using it without any additional or special files.

Yes. The option is on the Special tab in Settings.

Yes, I know. I was only originally commenting on the statement that the Mig-29K was just a prototype.

So, the specific version then. Got it.

Not just a prototype. India operates the Mig-29K on their carrier INS Vikramaditya

You read an awful lot in that that OP that I don't think is actually there.

Great video evidence. You sold me. I have no idea why it's behaving that way for you.

Stable and Open Beta are currently the same version. When you launch Stable it is exactly the same as beta