Woogey Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 You know after thinking about it for some time now, I have a new list of Aircraft that I am theorizing could be part of the new pack. Jaguar Buccaneer Skyhawk Fitter Possibly Etendard Possibly the Original Mig-29K, not the new one. This list is based on a couple of factors: 1 factor is the announced maps coming up (Persian Gulf, Syria, Falklands). Another factor, is that some of these have been in development as independent mods, and I could see ED making a deal with each group to make them "Official" but on the simple side just to expedite completion. The Last thought I had was the other aircraft that did not make this list: Mig-23, F-16, Tornado, etc. These will become full fledged, High fidelity modules, no need to include them here. With one caveat: Sub-models. It is possible that ED might throw us a less capable F-16A model or even an early F/A-18A model for example, in the same way that the A-10A is to the A-10C. Any way it turns out, I am excited and will be purchasing FC4 on day one! -Woog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuge Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Funny hype. Mig-29 deserves a proper flight model (and a small systems overhaul to fix the damage done by indiscriminately removing MFD/datalink functionality). Outside of that, I think Flaming Cliffs should stay as the relic it is. Especially since "clickable" isn't a guarantee of top quality anymore, either. What should be done instead is increase quality requirements of clickable modules. Gross negligence in basic things such as flightmodels, performance, fuel consumption, proper weapons functions etc etc should not be called "high fidelity". The examples are too numerous sadly. The number of working switches can not compensate for broken fundamental parts of a module. Ka-50, A-10C and P-51D really nailed it when it comes to top tier quality. After that the quality has been variable, early access or not. http://www.104thphoenix.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carss Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Why not make FC4 a twin seat mirror to FC3? Emphasizing on multicrew of a single plane? It can consist of tandem seat equivalents to the original planes in FC3 (of course with a few differences) For instance: F-15D Su-30 (Not the Su-27UB which it normally would be) Mig-29UB Mig-29K (single seat I know but as an equivalent to the Su-33 and to elaborate carrier ops) Su-30MKK (J-11A twin seat equivalent) and can carry Chinese weapons Su-25UTG (Carrier version) Or Su-25UB(twin seat version) .............. (Fill this void with any attack aircraft that's a twin seater which you think could mirror the awesome single seat A-10 ;) ) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Planes: FC3, P-51, F-86, F-5E, Mirage 2000, F/A-18, F-14, F-16, Mig-19P :joystick: ED pls gib A-4 and F-4 :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 (edited) About MiG-23, not sure if you know, CubanAce has made a MiG-23 98 mod (R-77 compatibility), still WIP though. (no wing sweep and EOS hasn't been removed yet :P ) :) (installation instructions needs updating, has to be in saved games of DCS, not DCS installation directory) and for some reason no weapons on stations 1 and 7 (outermost). https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/2609606/ Edited May 18, 2018 by DanielNL DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Where was ED talking about expanding FC3? Last I heard all that was happening was the PFM for the Mig-29. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Will PFM bring so much difference? DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiJack Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Where was ED talking about expanding FC3? Last I heard all that was happening was the PFM for the Mig-29. Here: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=207133 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_coreSix Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Funny hype. Mig-29 deserves a proper flight model (and a small systems overhaul to fix the damage done by indiscriminately removing MFD/datalink functionality. What are you on about with the datalink/MFD removal? It was done to reflect reality as the 29s that we have modelled didn't have that feature, only HUD repeater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FistofZen Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 I forgot about this thread. What I meant is that I would rather see some fully modeled russian aircrafts instead of simple FC3 level. But, oh well, if we can't get them fully modeled I can take them as FC3 level then. Am I special? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carss Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 What are you on about with the datalink/MFD removal? It was done to reflect reality as the 29s that we have modelled didn't have that feature, only HUD repeater. I think the Mig-29S does have datalink which I think should be implemented into the game only for that plane [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Planes: FC3, P-51, F-86, F-5E, Mirage 2000, F/A-18, F-14, F-16, Mig-19P :joystick: ED pls gib A-4 and F-4 :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_coreSix Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 I think the Mig-29S does have datalink which I think should be implemented into the game only for that plane Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 The "baseline" MiG-29 does have a datalink, but only for GCI uplink with indications on the HUD and no tactical display on the IPV. There is no evidence that this is any different on the MiG-29S as this was a very modest upgrade of the basic MiG-29(9.13). JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuge Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 What are you on about with the datalink/MFD removal? It was done to reflect reality as the 29s that we have modelled didn't have that feature, only HUD repeater. Yes. After the tactical display was removed the only indicator of target position was on the HUD. And this HUD indication was very flawed, I found myself locking up targets with radar, eos, vertical scan, you name it, only to have absolutely no idea where the target was in fact located! (Target indicator disappeared when target was located at edges of HUD) http://www.104thphoenix.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_coreSix Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 Yes. After the tactical display was removed the only indicator of target position was on the HUD. And this HUD indication was very flawed, I found myself locking up targets with radar, eos, vertical scan, you name it, only to have absolutely no idea where the target was in fact located! (Target indicator disappeared when target was located at edges of HUD) Well, but if that's how the real plane displays it then I don't see the reason to change it, for balance. If it's not then show some evidence to ED and hopefully they change it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuge Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 Well, but if that's how the real plane displays it then I don't see the reason to change it, for balance. If it's not then show some evidence to ED and hopefully they change it. I don’t need balance, i just want the (inferior) system to work as intended. I’ll make a video when i come back from abroad, traveling currently. http://www.104thphoenix.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mule Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Same with FC aircraft, just don't do all the good one's that should become full modules, like say...the Apache.;) After all those gunship Apache/Havoc games, this needs to be a full module right.... - Yep! Apache has to be a stand alone module. Fighter Pilot Podcast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carss Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Or how about have FC4 solely based on Helicopters? Mainly utility or cargo helicopters with maybe 2 gunships? Like an older AH-1G from Vietnam (BTW the bare 3D model of it is already in the game ;) ) And for the Russian side maybe an Mi-28? Just a thought [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Planes: FC3, P-51, F-86, F-5E, Mirage 2000, F/A-18, F-14, F-16, Mig-19P :joystick: ED pls gib A-4 and F-4 :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostie Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Because modern Russian full fidelity aircraft are not going to be a thing DCS needs Su27SM, MiG31, MiG29K, Su24. At least, maybe Su34, Su35, Su30 and Su25SM. "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 51st PVO "BISONS" Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Rage* Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 MP would explode with the force of a thousand suns if FC4 included a Su35. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woogey Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Because modern Russian full fidelity aircraft are not going to be a thing DCS needs Su27SM, MiG31, MiG29K, Su24. At least, maybe Su34, Su35, Su30 and Su25SM. Well let’s see here, FC3 has: SU-25, SU-27, SU-33, Mig-29A, MiG-29S, and a Russian Aircraft carrier. Then there is the A-10A and F-15C. That is 5 Reds + a boat, against 2 Blues. I would say it is time for some more Western Hardware! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogieman Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Yes I'd like to see at least one modern multi role eastern jet to provide a counterpart to the Hornet. A late model Flanker or Fulcrum would be nice... even a J10 on the PLAAF side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carss Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Well let’s see here, FC3 has: SU-25, SU-27, SU-33, Mig-29A, MiG-29S, and a Russian Aircraft carrier. Then there is the A-10A and F-15C. That is 5 Reds + a boat, against 2 Blues. I would say it is time for some more Western Hardware! Although that is true, don't you think all the western full fidelity planes already compensate for that? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Planes: FC3, P-51, F-86, F-5E, Mirage 2000, F/A-18, F-14, F-16, Mig-19P :joystick: ED pls gib A-4 and F-4 :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splash Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 My vote for Russian fighters from 80-90s: Su-24, Su-17, MiG-23, MiG-27, MiG-25... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted May 26, 2018 ED Team Share Posted May 26, 2018 Hey guys, just to clarify as I got some new info on this, the additional aircraft will be FC3 level version of existing modules. Existing FC3 customers will get a discount towards this update. Which aircraft will be announced later. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carss Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 I think FC4 would be perfect for tandem seat fighters, as a mirror FC3 and some of the full fidelity planes. FC4 could have the F-15D, Mirage 2000D, Su-30, Mig-29UB and such? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Planes: FC3, P-51, F-86, F-5E, Mirage 2000, F/A-18, F-14, F-16, Mig-19P :joystick: ED pls gib A-4 and F-4 :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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