DCS needs two-seater planes/helicopters

[piipu]

There aren't any two-seater planes or helicopters currently in DCS. I think those would help bring a whole new level of co-operation to the game, as it would require both the pilot and the gunner to work together in unison. Right now DCS seems to support only these solo fighter ace types, where is the co-operation that there would be in real-life military missions? It would be great fun to play a Cobra, a SU-34 or whatever multi-seater aircraft together with a friend, but currently this just isn't possible, and that's a shame.

Edited May 4, 2014 by piipu

[joey45]

The multi seat Multiplayer code is being worked on.

 

There are multi seat airframes in DCS but are not MP combatible yet.

[Revan]

The first thing they should do is to make the UH-1H and the MI-8 mulitplayer compatable. Next they should make a new 2 seater jet, like an F-4E phantom

[O_Smiladon]

The first thing they should do is to make the UH-1H and the MI-8 mulitplayer compatable. Next they should make a new 2 seater jet, like an F-4E phantom

 

I would say more like the tomcat.

 

This would work in well with carrier ops when F18 is done :thumbup:

 

O_Smiladon

[EchoMasterMind]

F-14 would be nice! Still waiting every day for the Razbam F-15E as well... *drool*

[howie87]

I'd LOVE to see an F/A-18D as well as the C model. Imagine just how awesome it would be as a training tool for squadrons. Start in the D model with an instructor and earn your wings before you get to fly solo in the C.

 

Doubt it will happen though sadly.

[O_Smiladon]

I'd LOVE to see an F/A-18D as well as the C model. Imagine just how awesome it would be as a training tool for squadrons. Start in the D model with an instructor and earn your wings before you get to fly solo in the C.

 

Doubt it will happen though sadly.

 

 

That would be cool:pilotfly:

[Flycat]

DCS needs more seats!

 

as well-known as F-14 is much better than F-18.who can explain why they prefer F-18 than F-14?

[104th_Crunch]

I voted no. In a perfect world yes, but in terms of priority there is a lot more that is important IMO. I guess a third party that isn't involved with the core of DCS would be a good candidate for this.

[McBlemmen]

yes but not very high on the priority list. even if they develop it , i'm not sure how well its gonna work simply becouse you're playing over the internet , what happens when someone lags or something? hmmm...

[PFunk1606688187]

yes but not very high on the priority list. even if they develop it , i'm not sure how well its gonna work simply becouse you're playing over the internet , what happens when someone lags or something? hmmm...

 

The same thing that happens when you're flying close formation? Twitch FPS games have sophisticated ways of handling this problem, some more elegantly than others. Same with any multiplayer game to be honest.

 

 

FSX has a few aircraft that have multi crew code available. The simplest solution they make is they create a master/slave interface. Basically the pilot flying is the one who is always in sync and the slave connection is the one that has to keep up, which is just fine I guess since he isn't the one handling the controls.

 

This vid does a good job of explaining what is probably the most polished one I've seen.

FHsIpvMJuig

 

In a tandem cockpit it seems like it ought to be even simpler since none of the controls are shared, with each section of cockpit totally isolated. In this situation the requirements for total sync would likely be even more lax.

 

Its not really that monstrous a challenge, its simply that nobody is interested in catering to it since its not a big money maker. I have no doubt its ultimate implementation wouldn't require all that much more than a focused plan and consistent manpower.

Edited May 6, 2014 by P*Funk

[EchoMasterMind]

That is looking really good!

 

I feel multi-seat/shared cockpit would add another element to DCS World, so I definitely think that it should have some priority. Not highest, of course, but I would like to see it implemented in a not too distant future.

[Vortex225]

F-15E. :thumbup:

[howie87]

DCS needs more seats!

 

as well-known as F-14 is much better than F-18.who can explain why they prefer F-18 than F-14?

 

*Digital moving map display

*Doesn't broadcast its airspeed in a dogfight through its wing position

*Better high AoA performance

*Single and dual seat variants

*More air to ground capabilities

 

I do love the F-14 as well though:

 

*Longer range

*Larger payload

*Faster

*More powerful radar

*Better climb rate

[lunaticfringe]

*Doesn't broadcast its airspeed in a dogfight through its wing position

 

There's this switch on the throttle- "MAN"; perhaps you've heard of it. :D

 

I do love the F-14 as well though:

 

*Longer range

*Larger payload

*Faster

*More powerful radar

*Better climb rate

 

Let's not forget higher precision in the strike role (resolution with the F-14/LANTIRN combination was higher than ever generated on the F-15 or F/A-18 due to display quality in the F-14s back seat), better range in the air to air role*, and depending on the squadron, airframe, and year, a higher level of freedom to employ that range (TCS).

 

*- Fun fact confirmed by pals at NAVAIR and former folks in the program office at Grumman: fleet F-14D had the AMRAAM software installed from 1995 forward. The problem was the lack of LAU-127 spares to be released to VFs. The -127 was a direct fit for the LAU-92, and the -14Ds (including Rs) were wired with the proper BUS interface to take them. All it would take for an industrious squadron to mount them is a few JOs to liberate -127s, and ordies to snag a couple of pallets.

 

Thus it was money, not clearance, that kept the Tomcat from carrying AIM-120 operationally. Although I've always had a suspicion that they'd have been considered in a near-peer-level war.

 

(PS: depending on sweep and air density she'll do over 35 units AoA; if you can't get a firing solution out of that, you're doing something wrong.)

[outlawal2]

The same thing that happens when you're flying close formation? Twitch FPS games have sophisticated ways of handling this problem, some more elegantly than others. Same with any multiplayer game to be honest.

 

 

FSX has a few aircraft that have multi crew code available. The simplest solution they make is they create a master/slave interface. Basically the pilot flying is the one who is always in sync and the slave connection is the one that has to keep up, which is just fine I guess since he isn't the one handling the controls.

 

This vid does a good job of explaining what is probably the most polished one I've seen.

FHsIpvMJuig

 

In a tandem cockpit it seems like it ought to be even simpler since none of the controls are shared, with each section of cockpit totally isolated. In this situation the requirements for total sync would likely be even more lax.

 

Its not really that monstrous a challenge, its simply that nobody is interested in catering to it since its not a big money maker. I have no doubt its ultimate implementation wouldn't require all that much more than a focused plan and consistent manpower.

 

I love all these statements about how easy it should be to code dual cockpit and yet DCS multiplayer isn't perfect yet either.. (And that is not a complaint about ED, it is simply the facts.) You can't have dual cockpit until you work out the issues with multiplayer. Dual cockpit would be part of multiplayer code so just sitting down and "making it happen" isn't the way it is folks.. I can just about guarantee that ED wants to resolve the dual cockpit situation as they have multiple modules already that are in need of it...

[Stratos]

I'd LOVE to see an F/A-18D as well as the C model. Imagine just how awesome it would be as a training tool for squadrons. Start in the D model with an instructor and earn your wings before you get to fly solo in the C.

 

Doubt it will happen though sadly.

 

D's were used too in combat role, specially in COIN warfare.

[Sceptre]

F-14 is much better than F-18.who can explain why they prefer F-18 than F-14?

 

It looks cooler.

[janpitor]

No, it doesnt :P

[Sceptre]

Sure about that?

[sorcer3r]

Apache, Cobra, Hind, BlackHawk, Lynx etc. etc. there is some much potential I can not understand why all 3rd party devs (except BST) are only producing fixed wing aircraft.

Really wondering when we will see a "modern" helo in DCS equipped with MWS and RWR.

:sleep:

[Pman]

Its not really that monstrous a challenge, its simply that nobody is interested in catering to it since its not a big money maker. I have no doubt its ultimate implementation wouldn't require all that much more than a focused plan and consistent manpower.

 

Im not going to get into the details of it other then we have made no secret of the fact that we are looking seriously at this for the hawk

 

That said. I wish the quoted text above was true. It is not.

 

Pman

[SAM77]

F14 no contest

 

 

Its no contest. Beauty and Powah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cichlidfan]

There are already two multi-crew aircraft in the sim. What we need is the ability to operate them with two people, which Belsimtek has already committed ED to doing, not more aircraft that need two people to operate them.

[Rogue Trooper]

Voted yes, yes, yes.

Tomcat, Tornado and Apache please.