WHY 59.99$?

[Mizzy]

Hi All:

I have to explain about the price of the job.

 

This product will include C-101 EB, C-101CC and AFM for EB and CC, all together cost 59.99 in total, the updates are free, a normal aircraft cost 49.99 with AFM, this aircraft will incluide two aircraft with diffenrets cockpit, and systems, code....AFm different, 10$ you have two aircraft, with AFM free.

 

C-101EB+C-101CC+AFM (C-101EB)+AFM(C-101CC)=59.99% AND YOU HAVE NOW -30% BEFORE RELEASING OF CC VERSION

 

You shouldn't have to justify price, it was pretty obvious why it was an extra $10 which is £6.68 for me and £40.04 in total. It's not going to break the bank and as I have always said, se obtiene lo que se paga y productos de calidad no son baratos. :-)

 

Reasonable price to me compared to all the crap you pay for in FSX !!

 

Mizzy

[peyvolt]

+1

Edited January 23, 2015 by peyvolt

[Ce_Zeta]

we know, but is for people that thinks that aviojet is expensive, is a bargain!

You should sell your product in the best way as possible, post images, promote reviews, write a great product description for the product page and provide a good customer support in the forums but never enter in a discussion in the forums like one normal member.

 

We, the customers, need information in order to make a decision. Your threads in this forums explaining the price tag is a consequence of a bad product promotion.

 

If you have doubts, see what other developers made, and act accordingly.

 

P.S. and remember, promotion of the Aviojet is a piece of cake, 'cause your product is amazing.

Edited January 23, 2015 by Ce_Zeta

[JuanOscar]

Thanks Ce_zeta,

 

We are already on it, lot of work to do on this days.:D

 

We really appreciate the help from the community to promote the culopo.

[VTJS17_Fire]

I support every modern aircraft/ helicopter for DCS. Why?

 

 

 

I see it as an investment for my hobby. The developers and studios support means to me (quite selfish): more money > more revenue > more profit > more aircraft > larger audience > more choice > more sales = more revenue ... (and so on)

 

DCS hasn't a crowd like AAA title, like BF4 and others. If I don't invest in my hobby, who else? Since the 90's many studios and titles have disappeared from our genre. There are only a few potential (hardcore) flight sim producers.

 

So if I want to have a simulation like DCS in the next few years, I can not sit around, waiting and always nag. So I pity myself.

 

 

Kind regards,

Fire

[Nevyn]

I hope these devs don't all start charging this price, I will not pay it sorry, even with your explanation which honestly doesn't hold much water with me., its still too high for me. $49 is fine, I can live with that price tag but any dev no matter who it is charges $59 I just don't buy it, simple.

[Flagrum]

I hope these devs don't all start charging this price, I will not pay it sorry, even with your explanation which honestly doesn't hold much water with me., its still too high for me. $49 is fine, I can live with that price tag but any dev no matter who it is charges $59 I just don't buy it, simple.

It is everyone's own decision ofc. But I find $49 for two planes a bit hard on the devs. That would be 20 bucks per plane - you will have a hard time to find DCS level aircraft for that as a regular price.

Edited January 25, 2015 by Flagrum

[Abburo]

I hope these devs don't all start charging this price, I will not pay it sorry, even with your explanation which honestly doesn't hold much water with me., its still too high for me. $49 is fine, I can live with that price tag but any dev no matter who it is charges $59 I just don't buy it, simple.

 

Nevyn, I really don't want to compare... but you know how much did cost a ship in StarCitizen ... embaracing high amount of money. Roberts managed recently to reach 70.000.000 $ from so called "bakers". And that "game" does not respect anything, no fluid flight model, no trademarks, .... no extra money to pay to externals for author right or so. In that case they are selling typical american propaganda which is named "marketing".

 

In DCS case, there is no marketing. You have to be passionate to be here. And if your passion is selective about plane types then is your own decision.

Edited January 25, 2015 by Abburo

[Tomhatter]

I hope these devs don't all start charging this price, I will not pay it sorry, even with your explanation which honestly doesn't hold much water with me., its still too high for me. $49 is fine, I can live with that price tag but any dev no matter who it is charges $59 I just don't buy it, simple.

 

I agree, $59.00 sounds more than reasonable to me for 2 airplanes, especially for a DCS quality airplane... or helo.

 

Also, Fire has more than a valid point, not sure what you're missing, "doesn't hold much water"? If you don't support the people that make this hobby better then you can't complain when it's stagnant for years and struggles to evolve into something incredible.

[BFBunny]

I get the price, but in my opinion there should be an option to:

 

 

• 
  
• buy the trainer or the armed version at a standard plane price
  
• keep the current deal and market it as a discount. (I know there is a discount currently)
  

That way you might:

 

 

• 
  
• Make more money as people would naturally go for the dual bundle thinking it's a better deal (which it would be even at full price)
  
• Satisfy the audience that only wants stuff with guns or the audience that does not want guns.
  

The current offer is well worth the money though. Just a thought for the future. Great work too.

Edited January 25, 2015 by BFBunny

[shagrat]

I hope these devs don't all start charging this price, I will not pay it sorry, even with your explanation which honestly doesn't hold much water with me., its still too high for me. $49 is fine, I can live with that price tag but any dev no matter who it is charges $59 I just don't buy it, simple.

You are aware you actually pay $59 for TWO planes? So the price in question would be some $30 even without the current 30% discount...:smilewink:

[T_A]

It is beyond me why people actually presume to complain about the price. No one is forcing you to buy it. if you think its too much feel free to move along or wait for a sale.

[tomcatter]

I hope these devs don't all start charging this price, I will not pay it sorry, even with your explanation which honestly doesn't hold much water with me., its still too high for me. $49 is fine, I can live with that price tag but any dev no matter who it is charges $59 I just don't buy it, simple.

 

Ok , with all respsct for yours, this is my opinion.

 

We are talking about a hobby here, so something not vital. So we can assume that everyone has his basic economics needs covered, and with the extra money we have we decied to invest on a high quality simulator instead of, let´s say, some good clothing, a weekend on the mountains, a weekly visit to the cinema, a subscription to a gym or whatever normal people do while I´m flying around.

 

We know that this is not a cheap hobby if you want to enjoying on its full potential.

We have now ED and four 3rd party devs that are providing us with a growing array of aircrafts with different levels and differents prices.

 

Aviodev has done an exellent job in a very short time with their C-101, plus they are giving us two differents AFM and two different fully working cockpits in one pack, for one close priece.

 

And after thinkin in all of this factors, I can not undestand how a 10$ difference in priece is such a horrible thing to you.

 

Please don´t complain about this, it has no sense at all.

Edited January 25, 2015 by tomcatter

[Tango]

Unfortunately, this aircraft is quite low on my priority list and I will not acquire it unless it goes on sale at a substantially lower price. First DCS module I am not buying at full price. Sorry, just how I feel.

It is available today at 30% discount ($41.99). The full retail price is $59.99.

 

You get two aircraft for this price, and AFM at no extra cost when it is ready.

 

Best regards,

Tango.

[zaelu]

Sorry to intervene again Tango. But maybe you should consider treating this rather as a cold Marketing exercise than an effort to convince people of something debatable.

 

For example... You and many others say "Two different planes"... well... we know they are two variants of the same plane. Yes plenty of differences etc but... c'mon... You can say it once but when is repeated it starts to sound funny.

 

So why fight a debatable and subjective thing?

 

Also... the price... The OP seems to be from AvioDev team (right?) and in some post he said the EB variant is considered to be at 20$ while the CC at 40$... thus we get the 59.999999999999999999999$ price .

 

OK... how about this alternative (I know it may be already too late or not fitting your plan)

 

You offer 30% discount now... today when the plane has only one cockpit and no AFM and the armed brother is not present. How about you offer 30% on 20$? That is: 13.33333333333$

 

My idea is this:

 

1. If yo sell the EB at 13.33$ you will get more money than selling it at 41.9(9)$ with the promise of getting for those money not only the AFM but also the CC and all cockpits and AFM etc.

2. You will build much faster a player base that can be hooked with marketing (fair deal) maneuvering to buy later the EB version for 26.6(6)$ when it will be also out with only one cockpit and no AFM.

 

Thing to consider.

 

It is "just a trainer light attack" that will dilute its appeal when Hawk and (especially) L-39 from ED will be out so you will be forced very quickly (sorry) to revise your prices before the 59.9(9)$ price strategy will get enough momentum.

 

 

You are at the first module. Your goal should not be to cash in money but players/customers. Sure... some money to extinguish the development costs and some change are useful. We like it or not... hobbies eat money from our fridge... sooner or later. We can't disregard this unless you expect the modules to be bought by millionaires only.

 

 

I'm not an expert in marketing... but from what I observed in my life... this is a thing of dynamic momentum rather... and not static equilibrium. We can even compare it with lift from wings... Low power and hard pull could end in stall.

 

All I say here is useless if yo made up your plans to fast cash in as much as possible then let this module fade away in to the ones that will follow, from Aviodev and the others. Also is useless if this is just a probing of the 60$ barrier... just saying... marketing is fair game to me... ;) .

 

P.S. To fans that like to disrespect the liberty of expression and try to shut mouths with negative points on posts I assure you will get in return from me only positive points. So...

Edited January 25, 2015 by zaelu

[Nevyn]

Tomcutter, you can pay that price if you want to mate, really doesn't bother me, I will just not partake, simple really.

 

So you can pay that price then, I will wait till it's on special and get it at the price I am prepared to pay, so for that you have my thanks. Also you forget I have to deal with an exchange rate down here in africa, that measly $10 is not so measly when converted into my useless and weak currency.

 

One other thing to consider, why would the dev start a thread to justify the pricing? That is very odd to me, the only reason I can think of is they testing the water and they are unsure if this pricing is justified, so they asking you to make them feel better. But anyway I am tired of arguing about this crap, I have been fighting on steam for years to keep the pricing down and all I got was abused by the fanboi's, kinda like what you lot are doing, although you people are pretty mild compared to the communists on steam, but now I just don't use steam anymore, simple, and no loss to me.

 

I love my DCS though I don't want it to turn into steam or uplay for that matter. When I saw that price on the DCS Website I just went cold. Now because of that I will not buy it until it's around $15 on special even if it takes 5 years to get there, in fact I will shy away from this dev in the future, I am stupid like that mate, I stopped smoking cigarettes, and I love smoking, but I stopped smoking because I refused to give my corrupt government any more money than I have too, hehehe.

 

And just another thing, most of the modules I own I bought at full price and not on special, I avoid the specials with DCS, I just don't think its fair on the devs to pay $10 - $15 for a sim, so I just don't do it. I think the only module I bought on special was CA, and if this module never goes on special, then well no real loss either.

[Tango]

@zaelu: this topic should not have been started. However it is too late to reverse the past, so that's that.

 

I disagree with your points. First, this is not a "get rich scheme". We have been working hard the last 7 months to make this module reality (and for some time before then). We refer to the EB and CC as two aircraft, because of the amount of work in them. Sure, they look similar, fly similar, etc.. but that doesn't change the fact the CC requires far more work above and beyond the EB. It's not a matter of change a few liveries, and add some weapons.

 

As a result, the full retail price reflects this additional work, and nothing more.

 

Since you like to analyze marketing:

 

A single DCS product retails for $49.99. Our full retail price for the EB+CC is $59.99 - merely $10 (or 20%) above the price of a single DCS model.

 

You have the option of taking advantage of the discount that is presently available, and purchasing the full module for $41.99 ($8 below the price of a single DCS module).

 

If you feel that is still too much, then that's your decision.

 

Regardless... this is just turning into flame bait.

 

Best regards,

Tango.

[KEULE]

@zaelu: this topic should not have been started. However it is too late to reverse the past, so that's that.

 

I disagree with your points. First, this is not a "get rich scheme". We have been working hard the last 7 months to make this module reality (and for some time before then). We refer to the EB and CC as two aircraft, because of the amount of work in them. Sure, they look similar, fly similar, etc.. but that doesn't change the fact the CC requires far more work above and beyond the EB. It's not a matter of change a few liveries, and add some weapons.

 

As a result, the full retail price reflects this additional work, and nothing more.

 

Since you like to analyze marketing:

 

A single DCS product retails for $49.99. Our full retail price for the EB+CC is $59.99 - merely $10 (or 20%) above the price of a single DCS model.

 

You have the option of taking advantage of the discount that is presently available, and purchasing the full module for $41.99 ($8 below the price of a single DCS module).

 

If you feel that is still too much, then that's your decision.

 

Regardless... this is just turning into flame bait.

 

Best regards,

Tango.

 

 

You are saying the full retail price reflects the additional work to get the CC version. It's more the other way around. Without the CC version you have nothing. All module developers have to do the workload AvioDev is doing to get a jet in the air and to fight. When you say "additional work " I don't get it because for me it doesn't feel like there is already 100% work done and now you are working on the additional 20%. It's more like CC is 80% done and AvioDev is selling it as a EB trainer.

 

In the current DCS environment there is nothing to do with a trainer what one can't do with non-armed jets as well. In other word: Where is the benfit of having a trainer?

 

There were also quite a lot of negative posts about the HAWK and the SFM it comes with. Even VEAO said that only very very few customers decided to buy the SFM version. So why did AvioDev take the decision to develop a SFM? Why not saving these efforts and developing the EFM/AFM right away? I know AvioDev is promising the EFM/AFM to come in Spring - still almost 6 months to go. But with all the broken promises from ED and third party developers as well (postponement of AvioJet release showed it yet another time!) I am of utmost caution what and when things will come.

Edited January 26, 2015 by KEULE

[S-GERAT]

I don't understand all the rants posted here. First because the 59.99 $ price is discounted, so the actual price is 41.99 $. And second because as everyone here knows, the initial price is for the people who want support the developers, because for the rest of the people, waiting a few months allow them to buy the module at bargain price.

 

I do this continuously, if I am anxious to get the module I pay the initial price to support the developers, and if the module isn't of my interest I wait for the sales to add it to my collection ( in my case this happen with the WW2 modules ) at a low price.

 

In this particular case, even when I'm not very interested in the plane without the AFM, I buy it to support the developers, hoping for a serious training campaign for the EB model. If this finally happen, and happen before the release of the ED F/A 18C I expect to make "real" training before the transition to the Hornet, like in my beloved Spanish air force. :pilotfly:

[shagrat]

You are saying the full retail price reflects the additional work to get the CC version. It's more the other way around. Without the CC version you have nothing. All module developers have to do the workload AvioDev is doing to get a jet in the air and to fight. When you say "additional work " I don't get it because for me it doesn't feel like there is already 100% work done and now you are working on the additional 20%. It's more like CC is 80% done and AvioDev is selling it as a EB trainer.

 

In the current DCS environment there is nothing to do with a trainer what one can't do with non-armed jets as well. In other word: Where is the benfit of having a trainer?

 

There were also quite a lot of negative posts about the HAWK and the SFM it comes with. Even VEAO said that only very very few customers decided to buy the SFM version. So why did AvioDev take the decision to develop a SFM? Why not saving these efforts and developing the EFM/AFM right away? I know AvioDev is promising the EFM/AFM to come in Spring - still almost 6 months to go. But with all the broken promises from ED and third party developers as well (postponement of AvioJet release showed it yet another time!) I am of utmost caution what and when things will come.

Interesting argument! So Aviodev should make the EB for free and sell the CC for $80 to cover part of the work and all later modules at $60 min to cover the "free" intro?

Valid marketing strategy! Sounds like EA with Battlefield... make ONE game and sell it every two years with minor adjustments...

It works for EA why not for them? ;)

Edited January 27, 2015 by shagrat

[T_A]

Please mods close this thread for the love of...

[KEULE]

Interesting argument! So Aviodev should make the EB for free and sell the CC for free $80 to cover part of the work and all later modules at $60 min to cover the "free" intro?

Valid marketing strategy! Sounds like EA with Battlefield... make ONE game and sell it every two years with minor adjustments...

It works for EA why not for them? ;)

 

 

Why so serious with this (for me) aggressive tone? You are missing my point and please accept my apologies for not making it clearer to you. As I said many posts ago, I don't have a problem paying $50 for one module. That's fine for me. I question the EB version at all and the agrument that these are two complete different jets!

Edited January 26, 2015 by KEULE

[Flagrum]

You are saying the full retail price reflects the additional work to get the CC version. It's more the other way around. Without the CC version you have nothing. All module developers have to do the workload AvioDev is doing to get a jet in the air and to fight. When you say "additional work " I don't get it because for me it doesn't feel like there is already 100% work done and now you are working on the additional 20%. It's more like CC is 80% done and AvioDev is selling it as a EB trainer.

Both aircraft share quite some similarities and the CC is the more complex one of them. So it is only natural to address these commonalities first and thus to get the EB close to 100% right in the beginning. There is still work to do on the EB, obviously, but that's why it is called "beta" ...

 

In the current DCS environment there is nothing to do with a trainer what one can't do with non-armed jets as well. In other word: Where is the benfit of having a trainer?

That is up to you to decide what benefit it might give you. Or what the CC might give you. It is a bundle - and it is a (very common) marketing decision to bundle products. If you see that the CC outweights the additional costs of a potential useless EB, buy it. If not, buy it not. You can not expect that they now restructure their whole product palette after don't-know-how-many already purchased the bundle in good faith.

 

There were also quite a lot of negative posts about the HAWK and the SFM it comes with. Even VEAO said that only very very few customers decided to buy the SFM version. So why did AvioDev take the decision to develop a SFM? Why not saving these efforts and developing the EFM/AFM right away? I know AvioDev is promising the EFM/AFM to come in Spring - still almost 6 months to go. But with all the broken promises from ED and third party developers as well (postponement of AvioJet release showed it yet another time!) I am of utmost caution what and when things will come.

The SFM is necessary in any case - for the AI to fly the planes. And the discussion was about a SFM-only product - which is, by now, already settled long ago. Besides the fact that this has nothing to do with Aviodev at all as they are, as you already said yourself, are developing an AFM product.

 

 

Why so serious with this (for me) aggressive tone? You are missing my point and please accept my apologies for not making it clearer to you. As I said many posts ago, I don't have a problem paying $50 for one module. That's fine for me. I question the EB version at all and the agrument that these are two complete different jets!

Why the (semi-)agressive tone? I can only guess, but after this (and a few other, similar) threads are going in circles like this, people might slowly grew tired of this ...

Edited January 26, 2015 by Flagrum

[tomcatter]

Tomcutter, you can pay that price if you want to mate, really doesn't bother me, I will just not partake, simple really.

 

So you can pay that price then, I will wait till it's on special and get it at the price I am prepared to pay, so for that you have my thanks. Also you forget I have to deal with an exchange rate down here in africa, that measly $10 is not so measly when converted into my useless and weak currency.

 

One other thing to consider, why would the dev start a thread to justify the pricing? That is very odd to me, the only reason I can think of is they testing the water and they are unsure if this pricing is justified, so they asking you to make them feel better. But anyway I am tired of arguing about this crap, I have been fighting on steam for years to keep the pricing down and all I got was abused by the fanboi's, kinda like what you lot are doing, although you people are pretty mild compared to the communists on steam, but now I just don't use steam anymore, simple, and no loss to me.

 

I love my DCS though I don't want it to turn into steam or uplay for that matter. When I saw that price on the DCS Website I just went cold. Now because of that I will not buy it until it's around $15 on special even if it takes 5 years to get there, in fact I will shy away from this dev in the future, I am stupid like that mate, I stopped smoking cigarettes, and I love smoking, but I stopped smoking because I refused to give my corrupt government any more money than I have too, hehehe.

 

And just another thing, most of the modules I own I bought at full price and not on special, I avoid the specials with DCS, I just don't think its fair on the devs to pay $10 - $15 for a sim, so I just don't do it. I think the only module I bought on special was CA, and if this module never goes on special, then well no real loss either.

 

As said before I deeply respect your opinion about this.

I just wanted to point my opinion, that is different from yours and others, and point that to me, it is a shame to blur the good work that some people is doing to, finally, give us a deeply and professionally simulated combat simulator with a big array of different aircrafts and helicopters to fit everyone´s taste, wich is fabulous¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡

 

That´s all.

 

Personally, I don´t like marketing, nor economy. I enjoy more while learnig or reading aviation stuff, so I will not visit this thread much more.

Thank you for your reply.

[Wolf Rider]

ain't touching this one with a barge pole...