Next aircraft speculation

[greco.bernardi]

Too many aircrafts can operate at Straits or Hormuz.

 

Iran - F14/F4/Migs/Sukkois

Saudi arabian- F15 and many other USA planes

All others - many Migs and Sukkois

 

Some olds planes operating there.....like sirian´s migs21.

 

So....Mig23,Mig25,Mig27 all of then are welcome

Edited October 16, 2015 by greco.bernardi

[OverStratos]

Yes....

 

But the F-111 didn't use a load remotely that size on operational missions. Their standard load was 6,000-8,000 lbs.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_United_States_bombing_of_Libya

 

The F-111A carried more iron bombs during Linebacker II - generally 24 - Mk 82s. So 12,000 lbs of ordinance.

 

You lead me on this, I was going to write almost the same thing.:D

[Sea Wings]

GEN4 Warplanes List (Western and USSR)

 

WIKI

"Fourth-generation jet fighter is a general classification of jet fighters in service from approximately 1980 to present day, and represent design concepts of the 1970s."

 

DCS World - ED and Third party DCS modules:

 

F-14 Tomcat (Leatherneck Simulations)

F-15 Eagle DCS: (ED)

F/A-18 Hornet (ED)

MiG-29 (ED)

Mirage 2000 (RAZBAM)

Su-27\30\33\35 (ED)

Typhoon (VEAO Simulations)

 

 

LS Developers choice:

 

Tornado IDS/ICR/ADV (70% probability)

JAS 39 Gripen (20% probability) - my dream :)

F/A-18 Super Hornet (10% probability)

F-16 Fighting Falcon (LS have to do better than BMS)

 

MiG-31 (highly classified)

Edited October 16, 2015 by Sea Wings

[zaelu]

Those percents are coming from where? rofl

[Sea Wings]

Those percents are coming from where? rofl

 

From myself :D

 

P.S. Personally, I do not want to fly any of the Third-generation jet fighter - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-generation_jet_fighter

Edited October 16, 2015 by Sea Wings

[QuiGon]

WIKI

"Fourth-generation jet fighter is a general classification of jet fighters in service from approximately 1980 to present day, and represent design concepts of the 1970s."

 

DCS World - ED and Third party DCS modules:

 

F-14 Tomcat (Leatherneck Simulations)

F-15 Eagle DCS: (ED)

F/A-18 Hornet (ED)

MiG-29 (ED)

Mirage 2000 (RAZBAM)

Su-27\30\33\35 (ED)

Typhoon (VEAO Simulations)

 

 

LS Developers choice:

 

Tornado ADV (70% probability)

JAS 39 Gripen (20% probability)

F/A-18 Super Hornet (10% probability)

 

MiG-31 (highly classified)

 

Those percentages and even the planes themself seem pretty random and aren't really comprehensible.

What about a Harrier?

Why Tornado ADV and not IDS/GR (or ECR)?

Why Hornet when it's already in development by ED?

Why 4th gen at all?

 

I'm pretty sure it'll be a 3rd gen Viggen and I will be more than happy to fly it (especially if it will be the JAS Viggen)

Edited October 16, 2015 by QuiGon

[Sea Wings]

Those percentages and even the planes themself seem pretty random and aren't really comprehensible.

What about a Harrier?

Why Tornado ADV and not IDS/GR (or ECR)?

Why Hornet when it's already in development by ED?

Why 4th gen at all?

 

I'm pretty sure it'll be a 3rd gen Viggen and I will be more than happy to fly it (especially if it will be the JAS Viggen)

 

Right, I mean Tornado IDS/ICR/ADV

 

Harrier !!! YES !!! Harrier has vectored-thrust turbofan !!!

 

Avionics

Raytheon APG-65 radar

AN/AAQ-28V LITENING targeting pod (on radar-equipped AV-8B Plus variants)

 

And A-A/A-G Armament:

Missiles:

Air-to-air missiles:

4× AIM-9 Sidewinder or similar-sized infrared-guided missiles

6× AIM-120 AMRAAM (on radar equipped AV-8B Plus variants)

Air-to-surface missiles:

6× AGM-65 Maverick; or

2× AGM-84 Harpoon; or

2× AGM-88 HARM

Bombs:

CBU-100 cluster bombs (CBUs)

Mark 80 series of unguided bombs (including 3 kg [6.6 lb] and 14 kg [31 lb] practice bombs)

Paveway series of laser-guided bombs (LGBs)

Joint Direct Attack Munitions (GBU-38, GBU-32, and GBU-54)

Mark 77 napalm canisters

B61 nuclear bomb

[WinterH]

Well Sea Wings, you have a good number of 4th gen fighter modules to look forward to, namely Mirage 2000, F-14, F-18 and Typhoon. I'd like it very much to have more 3rd gen ones myself, and really hope for a Viggen here.

 

Can't really comment on which one is more arbitrary, "LS Developer's chioce" list itself, or the percentages assigned to it :).

 

It may or may not be the case, but there actually are numerous hints pointing to Viggen and Corsair or Zero as the next 2 modules, other stuff people suggest, especially the 4th gen IMHO, are just wishful thinking on their part.

[Sea Wings]

Well Sea Wings, you have a good number of 4th gen fighter modules to look forward to, namely Mirage 2000, F-14, F-18 and Typhoon. I'd like it very much to have more 3rd gen ones myself, and really hope for a Viggen here.

 

Can't really comment on which one is more arbitrary, "LS Developer's chioce" list itself, or the percentages assigned to it :).

 

It may or may not be the case, but there actually are numerous hints pointing to Viggen and Corsair or Zero as the next 2 modules, other stuff people suggest, especially the 4th gen IMHO, are just wishful thinking on their part.

 

If LS make GEN3 jet, anyway I have choiсe of GEN4 jet - F-16C by BMS 4.33 :D

[cyberwings]

New planes will be great! I'll buy anything with te same quality of the mig-21. But I'm really more interested about a new scenarios. The Baltic or even a little island in the middle of the pacific would be great for a change.

Planes you have to learn to fly them, a new map will be a joy from start.

[Gargoil]

It's highly unlikely they will make a module of a plane that is still in service...

[leutenant]

That is the plane which no one expect to appear...

[fixen]

That is the plane which no one expect to appear...[ATTACH]124834[/ATTACH]

 

I would like an F-4, but it does not fit any of the things mentioned. Also, I think there were some problems with getting a license for a F-4.

[Hook47]

Mig-25.... A rival for the F-14? Maybe only for "long" ranged missile duels. Any other flight regimen the Tomcat eats the Foxbat alive! I don't understand the fascination with the Mig-25/31 family. Swell you can push up passed 2.5 Mach if you want to change your engines upon landing, not an issue in DCS currently I know! Very limited visibility, little to no ability to engage in a turning fight, limited ability below medium range missile duels, no practical air to ground..... It's a totally BVR fighter, you launch missiles at range and run. The R-33 is going to have similar, if not worse, problems hitting a fighter size target as the AIM-54. What is the attraction? A zoom climb to high altitude? I'll take a Mig-23/27... maybe. It's an AI aircraft leave it at that in my opinion.

 

Don't understand the fascination? That's kinda narrow minded of you... Any military aircraft with such distinct features and accomplishments as the 25/31 is well deserving of fascination. IIRC the 31 handly ended the career of the legendary SR-71!

 

Hmmm.... Cobra says stay on topic when we start talking about the 25/31? Reverse psychology??? Is the 25/31 in fact the topic of this "next aircraft speculation" and we just don't know about it?! The plot thickens!!!

 

Or LNS could just announce the aircraft and we could be done with it! (Hint)

 

*side note.... Is it just me or would it be easy to mistake the quotes posts discretion as an F-35! Lol

[zaelu]

Guys, you will get yourselves nuts.

 

Best rule: You see nothing. Nothing exists yet. All we seen till now are delays at mere news. And not only from LNS... everybody is delaying things. So why would you get tense for some imminent like thing? Also, Cobra has in signature Matt's phrase... Everything is subject to change... so the projects might have been changed or shuffled as the needs were coming so speculations around them could be like building on quicksands.

 

Think about the simple fact that the modules were suppose to come with maps and you haven't heard anything about how the development of those is coming along, or the campaigns or anything.

 

Each hinted module was said to come with a wealth of features (above Mig21bis level in quality, ASM, EFM, maps, campaigns etc) that it would be a crime against them to announce them "ready" in few weeks so they will make it in store until the end of the year. If such modules... two of them would be announced too much of their containing value will not be seen because the excitement would overwhelm attention. Thus their launch would be hindered.

 

So given the fact that delays are usual, changes likewise and you don't see anything in the horizon... expect nothing. It will feel so good when something will actually appear :) .

[RaXha]

Viggen + TGP + MFD = Gripen :thumbup:

 

So, lets meet half way with the JA37? Those where upgraded with the same MFCD that was in the Gripen at the time, but can to my knowledge not carry a targeting pod (and that makes sense since it's primarily an interceptor). I do know that they did evaluate the possibility of using targeting pods on the AJS 37 but I'm pretty sure that never happened. :P

Edited October 16, 2015 by RaXha

[Vectury]

Guys, you will get yourselves nuts.

 

Best rule: You see nothing. Nothing exists yet. All we seen till now are delays at mere news. And not only from LNS... everybody is delaying things. So why would you get tense for some imminent like thing? Also, Cobra has in signature Matt's phrase... Everything is subject to change... so the projects might have been changed or shuffled as the needs were coming so speculations around them could be like building on quicksands.

 

Think about the simple fact that the modules were suppose to come with maps and you haven't heard anything about how the development of those is coming along, or the campaigns or anything.

 

Each hinted module was said to come with a wealth of features (above Mig21bis level in quality, ASM, EFM, maps, campaigns etc) that it would be a crime against them to announce them "ready" in few weeks so they will make it in store until the end of the year. If such modules... two of them would be announced too much of their containing value will not be seen because the excitement would overwhelm attention. Thus their launch would be hindered.

 

So given the fact that delays are usual, changes likewise and you don't see anything in the horizon... expect nothing. It will feel so good when something will actually appear :) .

 

Amen Zaelu! +1

It's fun to speculate though. But indeed, expect nothing until the next module is announced.

[Tirak]

Don't understand the fascination? That's kinda narrow minded of you... Any military aircraft with such distinct features and accomplishments as the 25/31 is well deserving of fascination. IIRC the 31 handly ended the career of the legendary SR-71!

 

Satilites killed the SR-71, not the MiG-31.

[S-GERAT]

Satilites killed the SR-71, not the MiG-31.

 

The SR-71 stops their reconnaissance missions inside or close to the Soviet Union after being intercepted one of them by some Mig-31 . After that, they know that the SR-71 could be downed and stop their missions inside the U.R.R.S. ( At least this is what I've read multiple times during years )

Edited October 16, 2015 by S-GERAT

[shagrat]

It's highly unlikely they will make a module of a plane that is still in service...

Why? Typhoon is coming, we get an F-18C and we have an A-10C and a Mig-21bis which all are in service, currently. ;)

[Gargoil]

Why? Typhoon is coming, we get an F-18C and we have an A-10C and a Mig-21bis which all are in service, currently. ;)

 

VEAO has a contract with the ministry of defence in UK. I'm quite sure i read somewhere ED had a contract with the US government for the A-10c and probably for the F-18c too. Mig-21 doesnt have classified avionics

[shagrat]

What prevents Leatherneck Sims Form signing a contract?

All modules require a contract with IP holders, manufacturers, anyway.

Typhoon has lots of classified stuff, yet VEAO manages by adjusting.

Even the A-10C had classified stuff, which isn't modeled.

 

So there is no real reason preventing Leatherneck from doing a modern jet...

[Fracture]

To bring this back to the topic of speculation.

 

Tornado fits almost all of the non-Viggen clues:

 

Ground Mapping and Targeting Radar

"The Tornado incorporates a combined navigation/attack doppler radar that simultaneously scans for targets and conducts fully automated terrain-following for low-level flight operations."

 

Complex missiles with Advanced Targeting Parameters

"The Tornado is cleared to carry the majority of air-launched weapons in the NATO inventory."

 

Custom shaders for enhanced visual fidelity (e.g. CRT Screen representation)

"CRT monitor, multi-function display"

 

Unique visual features (In-pilot customization, etc.)

"Keeping up foreign relations"

 

New audio cues and enhanced fidelity

"would apply to all modules"

 

Far more complex avionic and computer systems than in the MiG-21

"fly-by-wire system, multi-function display"

 

New and unique PFM features and aerodynamic configurations

"variable-geometry wing"

 

New or unique methods of propulsion or force distribution

" thrust reverser-equipped engines, much like the Viggen"

 

Marines didn't use it but you would have expected them to.

"High value in the Tornado's short-field take-off and landing (STOL) performance."

 

Just some added fuel to the speculation fire. :)

[Sea Wings]

Tornado GR4 - great choice :thumbup:

 

[QuiGon]

Marines didn't use it but you would have expected them to.

"High value in the Tornado's short-field take-off and landing (STOL) performance."

 

This hint was for the announcement of the Tomcat and about the US Marines. None of the Tornado countries has flying marines as far as I know. The Tornado has been used by the german navy though from 1981 to 2005.