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[SilentGun]

I don't know why it's so difficult for you guys to accept the next aircraft as the Sopwith Camel.

 

 

Obviously :)

[tovivan]

I don't know why it's so difficult for you guys to accept the next aircraft as the Sopwith Camel.

 

:D :megalol:

 

Loved it! :D :thumbup:

[Nerd1000]

I don't know why it's so difficult for you guys to accept the next aircraft as the Sopwith Camel.

 

But...But... I wanted a SPAD :cry:

[QuiGon]

Su-30 have thrust vectoring doesn't it?

 

Some variants does.

 

The indian SU-30 MKI for example has a degree of thrust vectoring.

 

The Su-30 SM (of wich russia operates around 30)

also has thrust vectoring.

 

Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware of that. :)

 

But I'm still pretty sure it'll be a Viggen (or maybe a Harrier). ;)

[RaXha]

I would love to see a Draken, but the Viggen is probably the most modern and unclassified that LNS could get access to. Also if I am not mistaken, they also have a cockpit to a Viggen on hand as well - that is an excellent source of first hand information for them.

 

Not only that, there's actually a privately owned airworthy AJS-37 in sweden that they could probably get access to if they needed it. :-)

 

I know i'm late to the part but but concerning the different variants of the Viggen the AJ was the first one, the attack one. Most of the fleet was later uppgraded to AJS which was a halfwaypoint before the Gripen was in wide use in the swedish airforce. The AJS is the model that the Viggen was originaly intended to be, a multirole aircraft that could switch more or less seamlessly between attack, interceptor and reconnaissance modes, i read somewhere that in some aspects it was actually more advanced that the A/B variants of the Gripen. I found an old article that was written around the time that is was introduced, its unfoirtunately in swedish so most of you probably wont understand a word of it. :megalol:

 

http://www.fht.nu/bilder/Flygvapnet/Flygvapennytt/fv_nytt_2_91_ajs_37_viggen.pdf

 

Thanks chaps, I have to admit I am not very familiar with the Viggen, what is unique about its engine propulsion (I am a prop guy so until the Mig 21 have had little interest and therefore understanding of these era jets)!

 

As others have pointed out it had a thrust reverser and was designed to operate from runways only 500 meters in length, something few modern aircraft can claim to do. The thrust reverser would automatically engage when the nose wheel touched down and very quickly put the aircraft at a complete stop and could also be used to reverse te aircraft out of small roadside rearming bases. It was designed to use the swedish cold war era tactic of road bases were it would land on seemingly regular roads in the forests of sweden and refuel and rearm and then take of again. This tactic was developed because we more or less counted on the soviets to take out our regular air force bases within hours of a possible invasion. :P They often practiced this capability without the pilots knowing where they would be landing after the exercises.

A swedish Road (more or less swedish cold war propaganda):megalol:

Edited September 17, 2015 by RaXha

[thaisocom]

Really, it'd be nice to have a modern Russian jets. We already have lot of Western jets (F/A-18, Mirage 2000, Eurofighter and I'm sure one day... F-16) on the way, so some counterpart would be nice.

[Python]

Completely relative. I've met people that impressed me by the simple fact they managed to stop at a red light, but that doesn't mean they were good drivers. :dunno:

 

 

 

 

I have no idea how that is a comparison. Again, I love the SU-30 and would very much like to see it in DCS World. But don't make the mistake of thinking everybody only wants cutting edge modern stuff. I'm pretty certain a well modeled Viggen will sell just fine.

[Krupi]

 

 

I have no idea how that is a comparison. Again, I love the SU-30 and would very much like to see it in DCS World. But don't make the mistake of thinking everybody only wants cutting edge modern stuff. I'm pretty certain a well modeled Viggen will sell just fine.

 

Haha!

 

Brilliant gif

[QuiGon]

I know i'm late to the part but but concerning the different variants of the Viggen the AJ was the first one, the attack one. Most of the fleet was later uppgraded to AJS which was a halfwaypoint before the Gripen was in wide use in the swedish airforce. The AJS is the model that the Viggen was originaly intended to be, a multirole aircraft that could switch more or less seamlessly between attack, interceptor and reconnaissance modes, i read somewhere that in some aspects it was actually more advanced that the A/B variants of the Gripen.

 

Does the AJS variant has a ground radar? As far as I know, the AJ has one, while the JA has none. But I don't know about the AJS?

 

I'm asking because one of the features of the new aircraft is a ground radar.

[Sporg]

Does the AJS variant has a ground radar? As far as I know, the AJ has one, while the JA has none. But I don't know about the AJS?

 

I'm asking because one of the features of the new aircraft is a ground radar.

 

According to the previously posted Swedish article, the AJS was an improved version of AJ and SH combined.

 

It had thus a ground radar, and improved integrated systems in order to use it better.

[WinterH]

Exactly! And contrary to Viggen, it's revolutionary and definitely unique...

 

Viggen is very much significant and unique, would be the first SAAB in a sim, and first time this interesting aircraft gets a proper sim rendition. Depending on the variant(s) to be simulated, it can also provide a good rival/companion to various modules released / to be released.

 

 

Harriers from Falkland war would disagree. :thumbup:

 

While I don't agree mattebubben's opinions on significance of thrust vectoring, I also don't think what won the hand for Harriers in Falklands was low speed maneuvrability or any sort of psuedo thrust vectoring, I believe it was AIM-9L, revolutionary for time, reliable all aspect launch capability, pretty good missile for it's day, made life pretty hard for Mirages with not as good missiles.

 

From what I've been seeing on the forums there are many more people wanting to fly a modern Russian aircraft that would be able to hold it's own against the flood of super-duper-high-space-tech Western kit coming (Eurofighter, Tomcat, Hornet, Superhornet, Mirage F1, Mirage 2000...). Many people wanting a Russian plane = more money from sales. A niche plane/worse performer like Viggen= less money from sales. :beer:

Though in the end LNS can disappoint us all and come out with something completely third!

 

I am a sucker for Russian aircraft and one of the people that would enjoy most more DCS level Russian airframes, however, in case of Viggen I'll make an exception and will prefer it to a Russian fighter for now, especially one that is not very likely to find reliable declassified data on like a modern Sukhoi. Mirage F1 and Mirage 2000C hardly count among "super-duper-modern" at all, arguably, not even the Tomcat. And a Viggen would go alongside very well with those, as well as the MiG-21Bis as far as historical periods go. I'm sure, being a supersonic and somewhat multirole and cool looking aircraft, Viggen would still sell fine, especially given how people came to be fond of Leatherneck's product level in MiG-21. Infact, I'd be a tad disappointed to see a more run off the mill popular airframe in Viggen's stead. Since they already are developing the movie-star F-14, they already have covered "popular module that will sell like hot cakes" territory anyway :). Besides, their next modules for next couple years may well be Russian since they have repeatedly shown interest in developing MiG-23 in future. Lastly, while I would LOVE if a proper Su-34, Su-30 or Su-27SM, or even a modern MiG-29 could be done, it just isn't too likely, and I'd prefer something not be done at all than done as a lump of guesswork to balance against a side in multiplayer environment. And I say this as someone who prefers / enjoys Russian aircraft more. Also, in reply to worse performer : MiG-21 is one of the best sellers in DCS, and is the worst performing supersonic aircraft :). Other probable modules such as F-5E and Mirage F-1 aren't up to par with 4th gen aircraft either, and people (including myself) are showing eager interest in them. Being not the best performer in the air does not necessarily equal directly into bad sales, many people are in DCS for the love of aircraft and aviation, rather than a competitive drive to win all the deathmathezz! :).

 

Completely relative. I've met people that impressed me by the simple fact they managed to stop at a red light, but that doesn't mean they were good drivers. :dunno:

Indeed, I agree that everything is completely relative, and rather subjective. This includes lack of appreciation you seem to have towards a possible module :).

Edited September 17, 2015 by WinterH

[didilman]

Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware of that. :)

 

But I'm still pretty sure it'll be a Viggen (or maybe a Harrier). ;)

 

Im more for Viggen as razbam already do harrier. :smilewink:

 

Don't know if LN is actually making the Viggen, but ostriches tend to be more nimble than this aircraft... At least from what i've seen in this video...

 

Wow amazing!!

Edited September 17, 2015 by didilman

[VikingTsunami]

F-111 or A6-Intruder anyone? :D

[didilman]

I hope not. :)

[BaconSarnie]

I'd love to see another cold war jet, the English Electric Lightning.

One of my all time favourite jet aircraft.

Edited September 17, 2015 by BaconSarnie
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[didilman]

I'd love to see another cold war jet, the English Electric Lightning.

One of my all time favourite jet aircraft.

 

I agree with this! :)

[assafm25]

F-111 or A6-Intruder anyone? :D

 

I will love to see the A-6 (the movie Flight Of The Intruder is one of my FAV )

[RNeves]

I agree that is more than time to the creation of some russian airframe from the 80's to par with the F18 and the mirage... Because otherwise we will have unfair battles with the FC Su27 ang MiG 29...

 

With these russian workhorses DCS would see a huge income of new players....

:)

[Dudikoff]

While I don't agree mattebubben's opinions on significance of thrust vectoring, I also don't think what won the hand for Harriers in Falklands was low speed maneuvrability or any sort of psuedo thrust vectoring, I believe it was AIM-9L, revolutionary for time, reliable all aspect launch capability, pretty good missile for it's day, made life pretty hard for Mirages with not as good missiles.

 

It's certainly OT, but there were probably more factors involved. One of which might have been the superior training and experience of British Sea Harrier pilots who had regularly practiced mock fights against other NATO aircraft, unlike the Argentinian pilots who had no such opportunity, plus their aircraft were mostly outdated and equipped with inferior missiles (as stated). Since their primary mission was striking the ships of the British invasion fleet and these targets were on the edges of their combat range, this usually left them with little to no fuel for tackling the Harriers more effectively even if they wanted to. To strike those ships, they had to (apart for a few Exocets) rely on dumb bombs and thus were forced to get down low (where the Sea Harriers held the edge in maneuverability) and pass through Harrier CAP screens first making them relatively easy pickings for those Sidewinders. A lot of them did get through still, but fortunately for the British side, they were flying too low for the fuse settings on their bombs which gave them not enough time to arm, but this is even more OT.

Edited September 17, 2015 by Dudikoff

[didilman]

We need Mig-23 to fight M2000 and Hornet.

[SilentGun]

We need Mig-23 to fight M2000 and Hornet.

 

 

Don't forget the tomcat!

[didilman]

Oh yeah I forgot it and typhoon.

We desperately need a russian fighters. Red vs blue events will be so unfair.

[didilman]

Double post so sorry.

Edited September 17, 2015 by didilman

[J7G]

Someone fetch my hat, I'm going to the Temple of Leather Neck to retrieve the treasure and solve this neolithic mystery once and for all.

 

 

[Cobra847]

Someone fetch my hat, I'm going to the Temple of Leather Neck to retrieve the treasure and solve this neolithic mystery once and for all.

 

 

 

Good luck.