AV-8B Harrier Thread

[Dudikoff]

Can the newer AV8Bs use CBU-87/97 type weapons?

 

As far as I can tell, those are not used by the Navy/Marines.

 

They were supposed to use the BLU-108 submunitions (used in CBU-97) in the JSOW AGM-145B variant, but apparently those didn't get produced in the end.

Edited October 24, 2017 by Dudikoff

[Spudknocker]

We should definitely have Mk.20 Rockeyes as AV-8's used them extensively in the 1991 Gulf War against the Iraqis, they also employed Mk.77 Firebombs on iraqi troop positions and oil traps so hopefully we will get those too

[al531246]

As it is a USMC AV-8B NA the british weapons are likely not in scope.

 

Just a friendly reminder that the MiG-21 in game carries [bL755]them!

[shagrat]

Just a friendly reminder that the MiG-21 in game carries [bL755]them!

Yeah, and nukes, not that a 21 ever dropped one... My guess is Razbam models along the documented loadout in the NATOPS flight manuals.

 

There was a statement towards realism.

 

I personally would love to see all possible(!) weapons modeled, but I think at least for the early access we need to be ok with a realistic subset.

My hope when talking about "real life" implemented weapons is for Mk77 Napalm canisters or LMAV, but that requires a bit more effort, as these weapons are not in DCS, yet.

 

Edit: and just a friendly reminder the United States wasn't on the list of countries to employ BL-755. Which does make sense, as they have their own.

Edited October 24, 2017 by shagrat

[joey45]

Just a friendly reminder that the MiG-21 in game carries [bL755]them!

 

Serbia, India and Germany had the MiG21 and the BL755...:pilotfly:

[shagrat]

Serbia, India and Germany had the MiG21 and the BL755...:pilotfly:

Eastern Germany, please. We had the Phantom and Tornado... ;)

[joey45]

Fiiiiiiiiinee East Germany.

 

on ma mobile

[drPhibes]

Eastern Germany, please. We had the Phantom and Tornado... ;)

 

But any potential acquisition of BL755s by the DDR would have been blocked faster than you can say "COCOM violation", so the only German air force to have both 755s and MIG-21s at the same time would be the post-reunification Luftwaffe. But this is highly OT as far as the AV-8B goes.

 

Technically speaking, the AV-8B can probably carry and drop 755s (I assume the suspension lugs are pretty standardized for NATO dumb bombs), but any ballistic calculations in CCRP/CCIP modes would be way off.

[Zeus67]

No, it will only be able to utilize the United State's modern CBU series of cluster bombs. So CBU-87, 97, 103, 105 as I understand it.

 

BL755 is a British weapons system, and this is an American Harrier.

 

EDIT: I stand corrected, Mk20s only.

 

 

The Harrier main cluster munition is the CBU-97 with GATOR mines. This weapon does not exist in DCS so we only included the MK-20 Rockeye.

[Gladman]

The Harrier main cluster munition is the CBU-97 with GATOR mines. This weapon does not exist in DCS so we only included the MK-20 Rockeye.

 

 

 

 

 

Here's hoping that its developed at a later time. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure I have a couple years worth of getting good at the harrier before I get picky on munitions but its always fun to drop some CBU's. :)

[shagrat]

But any potential acquisition of BL755s by the DDR would have been blocked faster than you can say "COCOM violation", so the only German air force to have both 755s and MIG-21s at the same time would be the post-reunification Luftwaffe. But this is highly OT as far as the AV-8B goes.

 

Technically speaking, the AV-8B can probably carry and drop 755s (I assume the suspension lugs are pretty standardized for NATO dumb bombs), but any ballistic calculations in CCRP/CCIP modes would be way off.

I meant West Germany had the BL-755 AND the F-4 Phantom II and larer Tornado.

East Germany had the MiG-21, but not the BL-755.

If I remember correct, Germany signed the act against cluster munitions very early, so the BL-755 are likely rotting somewhere.

[Paradox]

Cluster weapons are a perfect match for the harrier given the limited available weapon stations what with the reliance on external tanks and all sorts of other equipment so I find it peculiar that the USMC didn't adopt the BL775 if they were permitted.

 

I guess they were content with the conventional bombs and mavericks

[ricktoberfest]

Why are mk20 rockeye despised? (Aside from being old tech)

 

 

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[HiJack]

It sure would be nice if mines could be added to DCS someday.

Tank mines works. Just add the mines from static and drive a tank over :music_whistling:

Edited October 26, 2017 by HiJack

[eelcoool]

tomorrow another friday

[peeter]

it would be cool to damaged runway (with real hole), so the harrier could be an asset.

[Dudikoff]

Probably just a typo, but I think you meant CBU-89.

 

It sure would be nice if mines could be added to DCS someday.

 

The correct designation of the dispenser used for the Gator mines by the US Navy seems to be CBU-78. CBU-89 is the USAF designation.

Edited October 26, 2017 by Dudikoff

[Flia]

I cant wait. Tommorow is a Friday.

[ebabil]

@Zeus67 , can you share a video about agm-122 demo?

[Paradox]

Why are mk20 rockeye despised? (Aside from being old tech)

 

 

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Because unlike the CBU-87/97 type weapons which can be programmed from within the cockpit and BL775 which can be set by the groun crew the Rockeye has a fixed (4 second I think?) delay from arming to deploying which makes it somewhat limited in the things you can do with it.

 

It's perfectly lethal if you get it right but it's not as flexible as the more advanced weapons.

[ricktoberfest]

Because unlike the CBU-87/97 type weapons which can be programmed from within the cockpit and BL775 which can be set by the groun crew the Rockeye has a fixed (4 second I think?) delay from arming to deploying which makes it somewhat limited in the things you can do with it.

 

 

 

It's perfectly lethal if you get it right but it's not as flexible as the more advanced weapons.

 

 

 

Ah. Thanks

 

 

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[whiteladder]

Originally Posted by Paradox View Post

Because unlike the CBU-87/97 type weapons which can be programmed from within the cockpit and BL775 which can be set by the groun crew the Rockeye has a fixed (4 second I

The original Bl755 behaved in much the same way, it had a fixed time delay before deploying the bomblets. this meant it was limited to low level laydown delivery. It was available in 4 marks, fix delay in Mk1, Mk2 had a shorter delay for use on faster aircraft (tornado), Mk3 had different suspension lugs and mk4 had (improved or IBl755) differing delays and improved bomblets.

 

 

 

In the early 90s when the RAF started to move away from purely low level operations they developed RBl755, this had a radar proximity sensor on the tail of the bomb that didn`t start the deployment sequence until the bomb had reached a specific height, this allowed it to be dropped from Med altitude.

[Zeus67]

Why are mk20 rockeye despised? (Aside from being old tech)

 

 

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Not despised just obsolete although still very effective, but from what I have read there is a high percentage of MK-20s that are misreleased and thus the bomblets either do no deploy or the covered area is quite small.

 

It seems that cluster bomb release is more an art than a science.

[addde]

Not despised just obsolete although still very effective, but from what I have read there is a high percentage of MK-20s that are misreleased and thus the bomblets either do no deploy or the covered area is quite small.

 

It seems that cluster bomb release is more an art than a science.

 

And a warcrime I beleive in many countries :P

[Tread_Head57]

And a warcrime I beleive in many countries :P

 

Not mine :D