msalama Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 developing a exclusively unarmed trainerThe 312 is equipped with 4 hardpoints, and thus, is anything but "exclusively unarmed". The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of.
Manuel_108 Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 The 312 is equipped with 4 hardpoints, and thus, is anything but "exclusively unarmed". Still a trainer, whereas the Super Tucan is an awesome CAS plane with a turboprop engine more than twice as strong as the 312s.
Kev2go Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 Still a trainer, whereas the Super Tucan is an awesome CAS plane with a turboprop engine more than twice as strong as the 312s. Ahh I see thanks for clarifying. I misunderstood I was thinking this was a entirely unarmed trainer Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD
Prowler111 Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 Guys, there is a very clear and determined road map here, we know what we are doing and where exactly we want to get. Egar is fairly new into DCS development, and he will have a "production line" of his own in our DCS involvement.As for the Tucano, for some is "just a trainer" but for others it has been the main COIN/Attack aircraft at hand and many Tucanos have seen combat and even today, some are used against Al-Qaeda related groups by Mauritania. In 1995 they were used for night attacks by the Peruvian Airforce using NVG´s and Brazilian have used it against FARC guerrillas. In Colombia they were very active against FARC guerrillas as well, until that country purchased Super Tucanos, in Venezuela, they were used against FARC as well, and were also used in combat in 1992´s coup d´état(one being shot down by a F-16), while in Honduras they have their fair share of action shooting down drug carrying aircraft. In Angola, they were extremely active performing air strikes during that nation´s civil war. The plane is a combat plane, while it was born as a high performance trainer, the very same capacity made it possible to evolve into a capable combat aircraft. 3 out of 13 operators have never used them in combat, that gives you an idea of the kind of multirole aircraft it is. Sure, it definitely is NOT an A-10 or a Su-25, but it´s a capable aircraft and you need to apply some tactics to use it in combat. As for the Super Tucano, you can expect one after this one is released Best regards Prowler 2
Stratos Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 As for the Super Tucano, you can expect one after this one is released Best regards Prowler If that is true I will get both. I don't understand anything in russian except Davai Davai!
grunf Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 Tucano will be a day one buy for me, if for no other reason then simply because it will be an unique plane in DCS.
phant Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 The T-2 has nothing beyond carrier ops going for it. As an attack bird is even lacking in the weapons department since its loading capacity is quite limited. This is an aircraft solely designed for training pilots, whatever bombing capacity it has is also for training. The Tucano, is primarily a trainer, but it was also designed to be used as a COIN aircraft with a respectable ordnance load. Greater than the T-2. The Super Tucano is primarily a COIN, Air Recce and Air Observer aircraft that can be also used to train pilots. Different philosophies. It can carry anything that a F-18 or a Harrier can, except for radar guided weapons. It can do ground based air intercepts thanks to the ability to carry a pair of Sidewinders or Israeli Pythons. I can carry a laser designator and guide GBUs or carry them as well. In other words it is a very powerful light attack aircraft. It lacks nothing in the avionics department with a full glass cockpit with 3 MFDs. What about the old T-6 Texan II project? Bye Phant
msalama Posted February 3, 2016 Posted February 3, 2016 Still a trainer NO, it's _not_ "still a trainer". The plane has been deployed on combat missions all around the world, making it both a trainer and a COIN / light attack aircraft. EDIT: sniped by Prowler111 there it seems ;) The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of.
Ashilta Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 It seems to me that RAZBAM has more or less decided that both will be developed eventually, which is fantastic news. I look forward to there being more varied options for ground attack. I do wonder, however, if RAZBAM would consider making the EMB-312 Tucano a considerably cheaper or even freeware module, introducing an affordable mutli-seat training option for the multiplayer environment, whilst also providing the Super Tucano has a full priced module displaying a greater capacity and more in-depth systems. Whilst I appreciate that this sounds like giving products away or operating at a loss, I'm firmly of the belief, having flown the Mirage, that RAZBAM's quality would be demonstrated in the EMB-312 and actually improve sales for the Super...
spiddx Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) Hmm, why would they give away an airplane for free? If we were talking about a FC3 level aircraft with SFM then maybe, but you have to appreciate how much work goes into a full DCS level module. And Razbam for sure isn't a multi million dollar company that can afford to pay their people for months without getting something in return. Sorry, but I don't see the big marketing benefit that would justify such a step. Now don't get me wrong, I like free stuff as much as the next guy, but I think we have to stay realistic. Edited February 4, 2016 by spiddx Specs: i9 10900K @ 5.1 GHz, EVGA GTX 1080Ti, MSI Z490 MEG Godlike, 32GB DDR4 @ 3600, Win 10, Samsung S34E790C, Vive, TIR5, 10cm extended Warthog on WarBRD, Crosswinds
Coder Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 PC21 > Tucano Jk, I'm looking forward to this one, but I'd looooooove to see an pc21 <3 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Find me on stackexchange or GitHub
wedge_one Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 As for the Super Tucano, you can expect one after this one is released Awesome news! I'll be throwing my money on both as soon as they're available (on Steam if possible). Thanks for the info, Prowler! ¬ wedge Wishlist: DCS: F-16C wedgeDCS - Modern Custom CSS themes for the Forum
Prowler111 Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 It seems to me that RAZBAM has more or less decided that both will be developed eventually, which is fantastic news. I look forward to there being more varied options for ground attack. I do wonder, however, if RAZBAM would consider making the EMB-312 Tucano a considerably cheaper or even freeware module, introducing an affordable mutli-seat training option for the multiplayer environment, whilst also providing the Super Tucano has a full priced module displaying a greater capacity and more in-depth systems. Whilst I appreciate that this sounds like giving products away or operating at a loss, I'm firmly of the belief, having flown the Mirage, that RAZBAM's quality would be demonstrated in the EMB-312 and actually improve sales for the Super... I´m a firm believer our quality will be demonstrated in this module as well, Egar is a top notch 3d developer. As for it being freeware..sorry, but no Best regards Prowler
chev255 Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 And Razbam for sure isn't a multi million dollar company that can afford to pay their people for months without getting something in return. From experience, large public companies will be more opposed than small ones to have one or more months without revenue!!! Shareholders expect returns, they're not there for charity
Python Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 Happy to see this, the model is beautiful!! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
ac5 Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 Indeed... nice! Mainboard: ASUS Maximus X Hero Intel Z 370 CPU: Intel 12-Core i7-8086K @ 4.0 GHz Memory: 32GB Corsair DDR4-3000 MHz Graphics Card: ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Monitor ASUS - Oled PG42UQ 41.5" @ 4K 1 SSD Samsung 860 PRO 256 GB 1 SSD Samsung 990 PRO NVMe M.2 4 TB Windows 11 Home - 64 CH Products Combatstick, Throttle and Pedals
Silver_Dragon Posted February 10, 2016 Posted February 10, 2016 New FB pics: [ame]https://www.facebook.com/RazbamSims/posts/952213381531967[/ame] Egar update on tucano For Work/Gaming: 28" Philips 246E Monitor - Ryzen 7 1800X - 32 GB DDR4 - nVidia RTX1080 - SSD 860 EVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 2 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Warthog / TPR / MDF
WinterH Posted February 10, 2016 Posted February 10, 2016 Yaay I see weapons : ))! Wishlist: F-4E Block 53 +, MiG-27K, Su-17M3 or M4, AH-1F or W circa 80s or early 90s, J35 Draken, Kfir C7, Mirage III/V DCS-Dismounts Script
Cool Breeze Posted February 10, 2016 Posted February 10, 2016 Hmmmm, guns and rocket pods! Lovely! Looking forward to some low level tree top running, spotting, and gunning! "For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Leonardo Da Vinci "We are tied to the ocean. And when we go back to the sea, whether it is to sail or to watch - we are going back from whence we came." John F. Kennedy
WinterH Posted February 10, 2016 Posted February 10, 2016 I'll even pit this against warbirds for curiosity's sake :D. I don't expect it to do too well at all but, hell why not :) Wishlist: F-4E Block 53 +, MiG-27K, Su-17M3 or M4, AH-1F or W circa 80s or early 90s, J35 Draken, Kfir C7, Mirage III/V DCS-Dismounts Script
WoOdZ Posted February 10, 2016 Posted February 10, 2016 I would buy both a PC21 and Tucano. When is it going to be available. WoOdZ_UK CPU 8700K Overclocked @5.1 Delid no HT, Hero X, Memory, 32gb Corsair Dual 3333mhz, ASUS Strix OC 1080TI, Corsair MP510x2 900GB, Warthog Hotas, MFG Crosswind, MFD's, Rift S.
hannibal Posted February 10, 2016 Posted February 10, 2016 these guys are serious! find me on steam! username: Hannibal_A101A http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197969447179
Teeter Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 I think that's the main issue. A lot would actually really like the Super Tucano but the basic trainer model has far more limited appeal. Or is it the Super Tucano that is being made? If so, much of this thread is just a misunderstanding. There is no misunderstanding, since the situation is relatively fluid right now. If we are to make a Super Tucano, a Tucano is a logical step along the way. /Gregory Smiddy Programming Heatblur Simulations https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/
mjmorrow Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 Folks, the only reason we are talking Tucano and not Super Tucano is time and resources. We are going to develop the Harrier after the M-2000C is finalized, something that will happen in the first half of this year. So our main resources will be focused on the Harrier. We do not want to divert those resources from the Harrier into the Super Tucano. Still nothing has been decided yet. We will very likely make a decision this week on which one will be done the Tucano or the Super Tucano. For the record, everybody here likes the Super Tucano. Makes sense & no big deal. The Tucano can be used for counter insurgency mission simulation, which is what I would want to use the Super Tucano for. I will still miss the word, "Super." :lol: :thumbup: MJ [sIGPIC]http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv250/mjmorrow76/SPAD%20of%20a%20new%20generation_zpshcbftpce.png[/sIGPIC]
Stratos Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 There is no misunderstanding, since the situation is relatively fluid right now. If we are to make a Super Tucano, a Tucano is a logical step along the way. Is official? I mean will we get a Super Tucano after the Tucano is released? I don't understand anything in russian except Davai Davai!
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