Normandy Map Discussion

[NRG-Vampire]

It is a WIP of course, and I am not sure its a deal breaker for me anyways... not gonna spend much time in the hanger, and its not really a vegetation simulator :)

The grass grows inside the hangars because the rain goes through the roof (don't ask me about how it lives without sunlight). ;)

Great video. It does seem odd that there is grass inside the hangers though with no sign of any disturbance to it.

 

easy cake:

implement a new shader and a new superficial material for .ref files (hangars and other 3D models on the map) what will able to erase precisely the grass under each hangars/buildings

after that the hangar .ref 3D model needs only one superficial plane at ground level - and there will be no more any grass inside hangars or in any buildings on the map using this method

[Torso]

easy cake:

implement a new shader and a new superficial material for .ref files (hangars and other 3D models on the map) what will able to erase precisely the grass under each hangars/buildings

after that the hangar .ref 3D model needs only one superficial plane at ground level - and there will be no more any grass inside hangars or in any buildings on the map using this method

 

I really hope info offered up like this is captured and sent along to those on the dev team who could employ the solution. Nice community assist.:thumbup:

[Brigg]

@9./JG26_Brigg: I guess that is a matter of taste. Flat is the "simple" option, so its thecnically, less advanced- but it requires less power and looks smoother. Wags also said that he preferred flat shadows for flying and full shadows for CA/Ground level stuff.

 

Ok cool :thumbup:

[kontiuka]

@9./JG26_Brigg: I guess that is a matter of taste. Flat is the "simple" option, so its thecnically, less advanced- but it requires less power and looks smoother. Wags also said that he preferred flat shadows for flying and full shadows for CA/Ground level stuff.

I like dynamic shadows for some things. For combined arms but also for low level helicopter hovering. I love seeing the tree shadows projected onto my Huey. I also like parking in a hanger and having the hanger's shadow cast on my plane. But for regular flight, I prefer flat shadows. They're sharper, render from a farther distance, don't flicker, and don't have as much of a hit on frame rates.

[Ala12Rv-watermanpc]

I like dynamic shadows for some things. For combined arms but also for low level helicopter hovering. I love seeing the tree shadows projected onto my Huey. I also like parking in a hanger and having the hanger's shadow cast on my plane. But for regular flight, I prefer flat shadows. They're sharper, render from a farther distance, don't flicker, and don't have as much of a hit on frame rates.

 

I guess full shadows should be as sharp as flat shadows, render at high enough distance and definitely they shouldnt flicker...once they are working fine they should be the best option hands down (not performance wise of course).

[RabidRider]

Wags mentioned in a youtube response, where some guy asked if the grass would react to wind/prop-jetblast, that it was "W.i.p" so I guess we would see something over time. All in all- still progressing nicely:)

 

That would sure be a nice effect. I hope downwash from helicopters will also affect the grass when/if they ever implement this.

[stalhuth]

1944 infantry will be include right?

[NineLine]

These assets include:

 

• Tanks and Mobile Artillery

o M4 Sherman Firefly

o M4A4 Sherman with "Rhino" hedge cutter

o Mk VIII Cromwell

o Jagdpanzer IV

o Sd.Kfz. 162

o Tiger I

o Tiger II

o Panther V

o Panzer IV

o Sturmpanzer IV Brummbär, Sd. Kfz. 166

o Jagdpanther G1

 

• Cars and Trucks

o Jeep Willys

o Truck CCKW 353

o Bedford MWD

o Kübelwagen 82

o Truck Blitz 36-6700A

 

• Steam Train and Cars

o DRG Class 86 locomotive

o Tank wagon

o G10 covered wagon

o DR 50 Ton Flat Wagon Type SSys

 

• Anti-Aircraft Artillery

o Bofors 40 mm gun

o 8.8 cm Flak Gun 18, 36, & 37

o 2 cm Flak 30/38/Flakvierling

 

• Ships

o LCVP Higgins

o LST Mk2

o USS Samuel Chase

 

• Infantry

o US soldier

o UK soldier

o German soldier

 

• Aircraft

o B-17G bomber

 

The DCS: World War II Assets Pack will continue to grow with DCS: Combined Arms compatibility and free asset additions that includes:

 

• New tanks

• SdKfz 234/2 "Puma"

• Sd.Kfz. 251

• Sd.Kfz.2 Kettenkrad

• Horch staff car

• E-boat Schnellboot type S-130

• Uboat type 7

• German search lights

• Barrage balloons

• Avro Lancaster

• Hawker Typhoon

• C-47

• Ju-88

• Fw 190 A-6 and A-8

• Bf 109 G-6

• A-20 Havoc/Boston

• B-24

• B-25

• B-26

[cthulhu68]

Bazooka and Panzerfaust soldiers would be a good addition.

[cichlidfan]

Bazooka and Panzerfaust soldiers would be a good addition.

 

So would medics, radio operators and lots of others. I suspect ED has to draw the line somewhere.

[cthulhu68]

OK. Can we at least get a French soldier?

[NineLine]

OK. Can we at least get a French soldier?

 

This is just the initial list, I am sure there will be more to come.

 

Besides if we get that guy, we also need a German Colonel...

 

[REDEYE_CVW-66]

Did not french soldiers (mostly) wear US uniforms and use US equipment?

 

EDIT: Scrolling above I saw the joke- which is now on me.

[BaD CrC]

If we don't have French soldiers, at least we could have French resistance and some french civilian vehicles (citroen, renault trucks) and some fishing boats! They had a significant role in 1944 with sabotage and guerilla warfare, blowing up German's logistical support like trains or depots, signaling and clearing landing zones at night for coalition infiltration, helping downed coalition pilots to exfiltrate back to UK, and paving the way for the June invasion.

Frankly, this total lack of French forces, whether in the air or on the ground is really becoming insulting to the 210,000 french soldiers who died during this war, the 8,000 FFI forces KIA, 25,000 shot and ten of thousands deported to camps. You do know that this map is located in France, right?

[NineLine]

If we don't have French soldiers, at least we could have French resistance and some french civilian vehicles (citroen, renault trucks) and some fishing boats! They had a significant role in 1944 with sabotage and guerilla warfare, blowing up German's logistical support like trains or depots, signaling and clearing landing zones at night for coalition infiltration, helping downed coalition pilots to exfiltrate back to UK, and paving the way for the June invasion.

Frankly, this total lack of French forces, whether in the air or on the ground is really becoming insulting to the 210,000 french soldiers who died during this war, the 8,000 FFI forces KIA, 25,000 shot and ten of thousands deported to camps. You do know that this map is located in France, right?

 

Its a WIP, probably dont need to get too wound up just yet.

[BaD CrC]

Well, looking again at the content list you posted SiThSpAwN, whether the final part and the future growth part, it is quite obvious that there has been no thought about that for the upcoming release nor for the future. Have a look at it again and let me know where you can see any object that can remotely relate to what I am highlighting. I am really not into any patriotic crusade or any stupid thing like that, but purely and simply wiping out the Frenches from France is maybe pushing a little bit too far, don't you think?

[NineLine]

Well, looking again at the content list you posted SiThSpAwN, whether the final part and the future growth part, it is quite obvious that there has been no thought about that for the upcoming release nor for the future. Have a look at it again and let me know where you can see any object that can remotely relate to what I am highlighting. I am really not into any patriotic crusade or any stupid thing like that, but purely and simply wiping out the Frenches from France is maybe pushing a little bit too far, don't you think?

 

Well first, they are building the unit list from scratch, so it takes time, unfortunately when you think Normandy, most people probably think US/England first, and I understand how that sucks, being Canadian myself.

 

Second, as I said, its WIP, I helped build a list of units, an continue to, and I did request a number of different French units and objects. But it all takes time.

 

Last, this isnt a history assignment, ED isnt trying to write anyones participation out of history, they are building a flight sim first, so we need to put that into perspective as well. The list I posted isnt complete, and its always going to evolve. What we get isnt determined yet, but ED hasnt forgotten anyone, and isnt trying to insult any countries contribution to WWII.

 

http://www.dday-overlord.com/eng/french_forces.htm

Edited April 6, 2017 by NineLine

[Ala13_ManOWar]

If we don't have French soldiers, at least we could have French resistance and some french civilian vehicles (citroen, renault trucks) and some fishing boats! They had a significant role in 1944 with sabotage and guerilla warfare, blowing up German's logistical support like trains or depots, signaling and clearing landing zones at night for coalition infiltration, helping downed coalition pilots to exfiltrate back to UK, and paving the way for the June invasion.

Frankly, this total lack of French forces, whether in the air or on the ground is really becoming insulting to the 210,000 french soldiers who died during this war, the 8,000 FFI forces KIA, 25,000 shot and ten of thousands deported to camps. You do know that this map is located in France, right?

I think you go a bit far on your statement. Provided we will be in 1944 probably there would no need for many French forces, but you forgot to mention the French Vichy government fighting along German forces for the most part of the war… should we include that also? Maybe they should and so lest we forget also that part in History :huh:.

 

 

S!

[Ala13_ManOWar]

Last, this isnt a history assignment, ED isnt trying to write anyones participation out of history, they are building a flight sim first, so we need to put that into perspective as well.

As always you keeping a cold head my friend. That's the point :thumbup:.

 

Should I rage because I haven't seen any reference to Republican Spaniard units liberating Paris in first place? It would make no sense, though historical fact. So what?

 

 

S!

[BaD CrC]

Ok. Don't want to start an uproar here. And yes Manowar, if the map was taking place in the south of france and before 1944, Vichy forces should be mentioned somehow.

Fyi, the french resistance was tasked as follows for operation overlord:

Plan Vert-a systematic sabotage campaign to destroy the French railroad system.

Plan Rouge-to attack and destroy all German ammunition dumps across France.

Plan Bleu-to attack and destroy all power lines across France.

Plan Violet-to attack and destroy phone lines in France.

Plan Jaune-to attack German command posts.

Plan Noir-to attack German fuel depots.

Plan Tortue-to sabotage the roads of France.

 

Let's be careful with the "it's just a game" excuse. It is fine as long as you fight hypothetical wars between east and west over caucasus in an undefined period ( although georgians might object) or fight the russians in the streets of las vegas, but you are now dealing with a very precise period of History, and a sensitive one. So there is some level of responsability to take.

[BaD CrC]

Next time, let's do a spanish civil war period map and make it a war between the soviet union and germany. Would you mind? After all it s just a game. No need to mention the role of republicans and nationalists.

Edited April 6, 2017 by BaD CrC

[cichlidfan]

Let's be careful with the "it's just a game" excuse. It is fine as long as you fight hypothetical wars between east and west over caucasus in an undefined period ( although georgians might object) or fight the russians in the streets of las vegas, but you are now dealing with a very precise period of History, and a sensitive one. So there is some level of responsability to take.

 

The fact remains that it is just a game.

[NineLine]

Ok. Don't want to start an uproar here. And yes Manowar, if the map was taking place in the south of france and before 1944, Vichy forces should be mentioned somehow.

Fyi, the french resistance was tasked as follows for operation overlord:

Plan Vert-a systematic sabotage campaign to destroy the French railroad system.

Plan Rouge-to attack and destroy all German ammunition dumps across France.

Plan Bleu-to attack and destroy all power lines across France.

Plan Violet-to attack and destroy phone lines in France.

Plan Jaune-to attack German command posts.

Plan Noir-to attack German fuel depots.

Plan Tortue-to sabotage the roads of France.

 

Let's be careful with the "it's just a game" excuse. It is fine as long as you fight hypothetical wars between east and west over caucasus in an undefined period ( although georgians might object) or fight the russians in the streets of las vegas, but you are now dealing with a very precise period of History, and a sensitive one. So there is some level of responsability to take.

 

 

Most of those operations you list probably would not be more than a footnote in a flight sim campaign or mission, you probably wouldnt be acting them out. So while I agree the French coalition should have units at some point, I dont agree with your comments that ED isnt being responsible or ignoring the French contributions. Canadians had a huge role in D-Day and Operation Cobra and beyond, I expect them to get units at some point as well. But it all takes time.

[BaD CrC]

Ok. Let's wait and see then.

 

As your footnote sithspawn

General Eisenhower also estimated the value of the Résistance to have been equal to ten to fifteen divisions at the time of the landings. (One infantry division comprised about ten thousand soldiers.)[322][323] Eisenhower's statements are all the more credible since he based them on his GHQ's formal analyses and published them only after the war, when propaganda was no longer a motive

Source wiki.

Edited April 6, 2017 by BaD CrC

[NineLine]

Next time, let's do a spanish civil war period map and make it a war between the soviet union and germany. Would you mind?

 

That is a terrible example. Are you now underplaying the contribution for all the other countries that fought for the liberation of France? This is silly now. I told you they are requested, there is no news now, so lets just colour this question addressed and move on.