Caucasus Map Texture DLC by Starway

[Bucic]

I appreciate your enthusiasm for the community, but that's a silly guarantee to make unless you personally are writing him a check in-full for $3000. The world is full of "sure things" that failed for reasons none of us expected.

I'd say it's all about "completely unfounded" rather than "unexpected", but that's just me being Central European ;)

[Dudikoff]

No, with the T4 update, some textures will still be the same. But some others will need some updates. That is why I have these two steps in the payment schedule.

 

Thanks for the answer. I'd still have to agree with some that people might be more relaxed pledging to e.g. an IndieGoGo crowd-funding campaign as it automatically refunds the pledges if the goals are not reached.

[Abburo]

Was willing to donate to Staraway for this, but I'm going to wait to see if it hits the first target - not risking it until then.

 

What you are actually risking? How much are you intending to donate and try to translate it in beers, or pizza.. or anything else.

 

Just donate and we all be happy. You are not risking anything, but helping somebody in something... just look to that like this!

[Abburo]

I appreciate your enthusiasm for the community, but that's a silly guarantee to make unless you personally are writing him a check in-full for $3000. The world is full of "sure things" that failed for reasons none of us expected.

 

Gospadin, just refrain yourself in doing this please. We are trying here be constructive. If you can't just don't participate. This cost nothing!!!!

Edited May 25, 2016 by Abburo

[Shogun0]

Waiting to donate!

[NineLine]

ED has their own updates for the map in the works.

 

I fully understand the point you stand now Starway. I think the plan you came up with is the best route you can take to get a stable income for the work you have done.

 

But i really think and this is my personal opinion that Eagle Dynamics should buy the rights for the 3000$ and distrubute it through the official channels.

Somehow it just doesnt feel right that because the protection system failed to implement your whole project is dropped and no longer in association with ED even though that was the initial plan.

 

I would therefor like to ask Eagle Dynamics to help Starway and buy the rights for the T3 and T4 packages. I have bonus $ on my account that im willing to trade in for ED helping Starway. Hell im even willing to pay for a Cap or T-shirt that ED sells through the store to get some of the money back for the packages.

[LevelPulse]

ED has their own updates for the map in the works.

 

Then why allow someone to spend so much time and work to make something that will later be replaced due to limitations placed on him (T4) or not warn him before?

[galevsky06]

51787 members registered here. Can't we find 517 souls for a $4 beer ? Come on.... this guy hacked it for months !

 

Count on me :thumbup:

Edited May 26, 2016 by galevsky06

[cichlidfan]

51787 members registered here.

 

Keep in mind that half of those, if not more, are bots.

[galevsky06]

and that is why I did not consider 50%.... but 50 times less ;)

[Vandal71]

ED has their own updates for the map in the works.

 

Then they have royally screwed up this whole thing and put his work at risk. From their past work on the terrain textures I'd say to them "don't waste your time" and just use his.

[NineLine]

Then why allow someone to spend so much time and work to make something that will later be replaced due to limitations placed on him (T4) or not warn him before?

 

this was always an option to ED's updates, just like any other mod. There was no nefarious plot to trick anyone into doing any work that would be later tossed.

[NineLine]

Then they have royally screwed up this whole thing and put his work at risk. From their past work on the terrain textures I'd say to them "don't waste your time" and just use his.

 

That is what the word option means right? If you want to use Starway's, or anyone elses, you will have that option. Simple right?

[Stratos]

Always wonder why ED is so secret about their planeed Caucasus development.

[*Rage*]

The plans have changed.

 

IIRC initially there was no intention of even updating the caucusus map to DX11 standard as per NTTR/future maps. It would have been left behind and forgotten.

[NeilWillis]

Always wonder why ED is so secret about their planeed Caucasus development.

 

They're not secretive, but simply have a policy of not announcing stuff in advance. It is the only proven way to deal with all the "when will it be released" posts, and complaints about lead times being longer than forum members consider acceptable.

 

We just can't have our cake and eat it, that's all.

[Bucic]

Then they have royally screwed up this whole thing and put his work at risk. From their past work on the terrain textures I'd say to them "don't waste your time" and just use his.

This was my thought as well initially but then remembering the previous graphics and texturing updates done by ED they were always mild. Any significat ones take a looong time to surface. Besides, as a general rule rarely official updates match work done by modders, except in the area of consistency. And sometimes sanity :music_whistling: as modders tend to get carried away with Battleborne-like color balance, seetfx-like fails and similar quirks. Starways does not even lean toward those unholly tendencies.

 

The plans have changed.

 

IIRC initially there was no intention of even updating the caucusus map to DX11 standard as per NTTR/future maps. It would have been left behind and forgotten.

Any source to back this up?

Edited May 26, 2016 by Bucic

[Raven68]

The plans have changed.

 

IIRC initially there was no intention of even updating the caucusus map to DX11 standard as per NTTR/future maps. It would have been left behind and forgotten.

 

Any source to back this up?

 

I would like to know the source of that info myself, although as long as things are taking it does make you wonder if the updating of Caucusus map to DX11 standards is contributing to 2.5 not being released.

[WinterH]

I can't dig up right now but, I also remember, like 2 years ago or so, back when EDGE versions would be called 1.3, it was said that Caucasus map would not be heavily updated, by either Wags or one of moderation team.

 

Anyway, academic to discuss at this stage, as it seems to be decided that an update to Caucasus is due, which is good. Besides, updating Caucasus to T4 terrain engine was always stated the hold up to 1.5 and 2.0 merging, so may be ED have decided "might as well touch it up while converting it". Anyways, purely speculation at this point, but if it really happens, mesh improvement and new hopefully collidable trees for Caucasus would be awesome, and would probably contribute to overall product sales as the free "sampler" map will leave a much better first impression on modern day gamers taking a peek at DCS. So whether it was originaly intented or not, it is cool we would be getting it.

[Frogisis]

Starway's and ED's updates largely don't overlap anyway, right? Textures vs. mesh/backend?

[Bucic]

Starway's and ED's updates largely don't overlap anyway, right? Textures vs. mesh/backend?

There's no info on the scope of the update planned by ED. It could be textures, mesh, an additional patch of land, optimization or any combination of those, including only one of those.

[NineLine]

There's no info on the scope of the update planned by ED. It could be textures, mesh, an additional patch of land, optimization or any combination of those, including only one of those.

 

ED's updates do include textures, more info on everything that is being done to the map to make it workable with 2.X will be coming. They are just not ready to discuss it right now.

 

We should keep the topic on Starway's texture pack though.

[Boss86005]

Good to hear Sith.

[galevsky06]

Will you donate for Caucasus Map Texture DLC ?

 

No discussion please, just to let all of us know about the feasibility of his plan.

 

I repeat, no discussion, I am not looking for great advises from anybody to someone else, since everybody knows what to do or not, including Starway, ED, the donors, and the rest of the world.

Many people here just want to know if this mod has a chance to be available soon, or not. Period.

 

Please, respond according to your true intentions.

 

Thank you guys for your understanding.

Edited May 26, 2016 by NineLine
Edit for 1.1

[Ozone1]

Well I definitely owe Starway a bit of green. I've been using his mods for years, so count me in. I'll also get on the VSAAF guys case... Although that might be like getting blood out of a stone :P